E36M3 #4642

Monday, February 06, 2006 13:43:05

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Michael, Dave
#2. RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Stan Shaw
#3. RE: [E36M3] vacuum leak? - from Patrick Goss - PA
#4. Re: Cooling System Overhaul Parts List - from Adam Lazur
#5. Re: Cooling System Overhaul Parts List - from Adam Lazur
#6. RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? - from William Townsend
#7. Re: [E36M3] RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
#8. RE: [E36M3] RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Scott
#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Chester Wong
#10. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? - from marco

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#1. RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Michael, Dave
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:36:43 -0500 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help Hi Stan Now that you are the list "steering rack replacement expert", I am hoping you can answer a question 'bout something that that the Bentley does not make clear. The Bentley says to loosen the lower pinch bolt on the flex joint, and slide the joint "half off". It seems that nothing will slide unless I loosen both the upper (column) and lower (rack) pinch bolts. Or is the connection at the shaft always a sliding joint? Also, the Bentley says that the opening joint of the pinch collar needs to line up with the mark on the rack when steering wheel is pointing straight. Mine does not. It's off by at least 4 teeth. Do I care? Thanks for your patience. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:21 PM > To: Michael, Dave > Cc: 'E36M3' > Subject: RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help > > > Hi Dave, > > I actually changed my rack 3 times... > 1. 1st time with a well known rebuilders rack, but it blew the main > seal on the 1st day of use. > 2. 2nd time to put the original rack in, while awaiting for a > replacement from a different rebuilder (as the well known > rebuilder offered nothing but a refund and their cost was > higher.... I might as well save money if I am going to get > questionable quality). > 3. 3rd time to put in the less expensive rebuilt rack. > > Changing the rack is relatively easy. > > Regards, > Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net > Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 > Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ > 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ > 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ > > "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams > > > > >

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#2. RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:45:55 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help Ah, not sure I like the "expert" title. Although I have R&R'd mine 3 times. You must remove the pinch bolt before the rack can be removed, which is what my Bentley manual says. The rack will not drop until you do, as the bolt sits in a groove in the shaft. I think you mostly care about the alignment so that your steering wheel will be straight when your wheels are straight. I couldn't come up with any other reason. Moving your steering wheel a tooth or two is an easy task to correct any offset. Of course the alignment can do this with the steering rod adjustments. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams

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#3. RE: [E36M3] vacuum leak? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:13:07 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] vacuum leak? Do you have a cold air intake, or modified open typish filter installed? Have you removed the intake resonator like most people do? Both of these cause sounds similar to what you describe which often is ignored and considered music to the enthusiast. Replacement of the intake boot is common due to cracks, and if its ruptured, get it done quickly before you ingest something foreign, (rocks, sand, salt). Also check the tube on the bottom side of the boot to see if it is connected also. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Evan Bradford [mailto:evbrad2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 12:33 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] vacuum leak? Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Bradford <evbrad2002@yahoo.com> Subject: vacuum leak? I have recently developed a couple of intermittent symptoms in my '98 M3 that I am concerned may be a vacuum leak. First, about 3-4 seconds after turning the engine off, there is a 1-2 second sound of air escaping (or being sucked in?) coming from driver's side of the engine bay. It sounds something like the sound of air pressure being released from a bike pump when removing it from the tire, but lower in pitch. I also have an intermittent high pitch sound when driving that seems to sort of wind up around 3k rpm and then seems to drop off. It sounds more like air being drawn in...almost like a little mine jet engine sound. Idle seems as smooth as ever. I do feel that the car doesn't seem to pull as strong at times...but that could be just be perception. I have noticed some cracks in the intake bellows/boot. Have a new one on the way, but the sound after cutting the engine off doesn't seem to be coming from here. Any help in further diagnosing/treating would be much appreciated. Thanks, Evan --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#4. Re: Cooling System Overhaul Parts List - from Adam Lazur
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:56:51 -0800 From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> Subject: Re: Cooling System Overhaul Parts List They're parts 6 and 14 from http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BF93&mospid=47486&btnr=11_1344&hg=11&fg=18 1x 11281748130 DEFLECTION PULLEY 2x 11281748131 ADJUSTING PULLEY There's another "adjusting pulley" on the AC belt, so get 2 of those. Also, if you're missing the plastic covers for them (parts 16 and 17 in the realoem link), I'd pick up replacements while you're getting parts. ..adam Jeff Bjerke (jbjerke@charter.net) said: > Adam, > Do you have the part numbers for the idler pulleys? > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Lazur [mailto:adam@lazur.org] > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:29 PM > To: Jeff Bjerke > Cc: E36M3 > Subject: Re: Cooling System Overhaul Parts List > > > Jeff Bjerke (jbjerke@charter.net) said: > > About 2.5 years ago I changed out the cooling system (radiator, t'stat, > > t'stat housing, waterpump, belts, hoses etc.) on my Wife's E36 M3. Someone > > had posted a very comprehensive list including part numbers. He had > included > > small pieces that were very inexpensive but likely to break during the > > procedure. It helped tremendously and I'm about to embark on the same > > process on my 98 M3 and I can't find it in any of my searches. > > Does anyone happen to know where I can find this? > > Sorry, I don't have the comprehensive list you're looking for, but > I could've used it. > > I did a cooling system revamp yesterday that spilled into today. > > 2 little plastic parts that I broke when replacing the radiator: > > 17111723341 BRACKET UPPER > 17111712963 EXPANDING RIVET > > They come in pairs. I managed to break some plastic for one of each > pair. > > I've also seen people recommend getting a spare radiator drain plug in > case you get too zealous tightening it and crack it. > > I did the usual belts, idler pulleys, radiator, water pump, thermostat > housing, thermostat. I can dig up part numbers if you'd like a list. > > Things I learned: > > I struggled for a long time trying to get the fan out. I broke > 1 screwdriver, bent another, and did a lot of hammering. I was planning > on trying to find a bmw fan clutch tool locally, but after some research > I found that a Ford fan clutch tool (a 57mm wrench) works. The nice part > about the Ford tool is that advance auto stores loan them out for free. > With the close to proper tool, the fan came off after a minute or two > worth of hammering. > > I also found the car's water pump was the original composite one, > complete with cracks and the impeller freely spinning on the shaft. I'm > glad I got it replaced as it probably wasn't moving much coolant. I'm > still puzzled about why I didn't have an overheating incident b/c of it. >

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#5. Re: Cooling System Overhaul Parts List - from Adam Lazur
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:35:24 -0800 From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> Subject: Re: Cooling System Overhaul Parts List Adam Lazur (adam@lazur.org) said: > 17111723341 BRACKET UPPER This one was $9 from the dealer... I'll be more careful with those next time. That's above my cost threshold for prebuy "just in case" parts :) -- Adam Lazur

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#6. RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? - from William Townsend
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:37:31 -0500 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? Thanks for the pointer but the VDO sender is not compatible with the SPA gauge. Wish it was, simple solution! -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:55 AM To: William Townsend; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Coolant temp sender and gauges? p/n 323-416 http://www.egauges.com/vdo_send.asp?Sender=250F_120C&Cart=1 Marco

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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:50:20 -0500 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? >Thanks for the pointer but the VDO sender is not compatible with the SPA >gauge. Wish it was, simple solution! Does the SPA sender have NPT threads? If so just get an adapter, M14x1.5 to NPT (1/8"-27?) Marco has a bookmark for a place with a lot of adapters (I have it at home but not here at work). -Carlos.

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#8. RE: [E36M3] RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Scott
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:50:04 -0800 From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help I thought the M3s had a variable rate rack. Assuming this is so, don't you want to be careful to have your tie rods be "equal length"? In other words, you want the rack centered when your steering wheel is centered, don't you? -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:53 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:45:55 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help Ah, not sure I like the "expert" title. Although I have R&R'd mine 3 times. You must remove the pinch bolt before the rack can be removed, which is what my Bentley manual says. The rack will not drop until you do, as the bolt sits in a groove in the shaft. I think you mostly care about the alignment so that your steering wheel will be straight when your wheels are straight. I couldn't come up with any other reason. Moving your steering wheel a tooth or two is an easy task to correct any offset. Of course the alignment can do this with the steering rod adjustments. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Hard Steering Update and F-A help --- "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> wrote: > Also, the Bentley says that the opening joint of the pinch collar > needs to line up with the mark on the rack when steering wheel is > pointing straight. Mine does not. It's off by at least 4 teeth. Do I > care? You have to be careful the alignment of the steering wheel with respect to the rack position. Yes, you can adjust by rotating the steering wheel on the column or you can adjust by tierods; however, there's only a finite amount of travel from the rack--you don't want to have more travel off "center" from one side to the other side. So...a trick I do is to center the steering wheel to where center on the steering rack (as measured by a sliding caliper from the edge of the rack casting to the end of the sliding rod) is so that when I go for an alignment, I know that if the tech holds the steering wheel straight, then the tie rods will be adjusted 100% correctly and I'll have equal travel going left or right. Also, I'm sure that if the rack is extended to one side more than other, it probably introduces some geometry (though rather insignificant) differences. Chester

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#10. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? - from marco
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:41:01 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? sorry - didn't realize you were committed to SPA. -----Original Message----- From: William Townsend [mailto:wtownsend@juniper.net] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:43 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:37:31 -0500 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: RE:Coolant temp sender and gauges? Thanks for the pointer but the VDO sender is not compatible with the SPA gauge. Wish it was, simple solution! -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:55 AM To: William Townsend; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Coolant temp sender and gauges? p/n 323-416 http://www.egauges.com/vdo_send.asp?Sender=250F_120C&Cart=1 Marco ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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