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#1. Re: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:11:42 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message Hi Bruce, Please report back on your findings. I have a similar problem, and have already changed the sensor as well. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#2. Re: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Steve Klein
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:57:46 -0600 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message I've been troubleshooting this for a while and finally discovered that I've got a leaking head gasket as the root cause. I've had coolant bleeding out around the cap on the reservoir and the periodic 'Check Coolant Level' which was just below the hot mark. The engine still pulls like a mule, and after any spirited driving, I'd get the message. Since I've been driving very gently until I can get in there and replace the gasket, I haven't had any leaks or problems. (again, my theory about keeping down peak cylinder pressures). And I've got 156k on the clock with the original sensor, FWIW. Steve On Mar 10, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Stan Shaw wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:11:42 -0500 > From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message > > Hi Bruce, > > Please report back on your findings. I have a similar problem, and > have > already changed the sensor as well. >
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#3. RE: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:42:22 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] check coolant message Thanks Steve. Mine is reasonably persistent now, and the level seems fine. I do suspect a head gasket, and hope to do that soon. Of course if the reservoir tank is at issue, I would want to change that as the same time. Only 156k? I am nearly at 160k! :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#4. RE: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Scott Stiles
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:50:37 -0800 From: "Scott Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] check coolant message I'm confused. How would a leaking head gasket cause a "coolant low" message, even if the level is just fine? - is the coolant too hot? - is there oil in the coolant causing a bizarre reading? - is the pressure too high (is there a pressure sensor)? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:51 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] check coolant message Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:42:22 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] check coolant message Thanks Steve. Mine is reasonably persistent now, and the level seems fine. I do suspect a head gasket, and hope to do that soon. Of course if the reservoir tank is at issue, I would want to change that as the same time. Only 156k? I am nearly at 160k! :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Mark D
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:09:42 -0500 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] check coolant message On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 15:51 -0600, Scott Stiles wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:50:37 -0800 > From: "Scott Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] check coolant message > > I'm confused. How would a leaking head gasket cause a "coolant low" message, > even if the level is just fine? > - is the coolant too hot? > - is there oil in the coolant causing a bizarre reading? > - is the pressure too high (is there a pressure sensor)? > > Thanks. Air bubbles. The head gasket leak causes bubbles and pressurization into the cooling system. Conversely some coolant is burned off. The reading could be caused by oil in the coolant changing conductivity, air bubbles passing by the sensor, or coolant being burned off to the point where the level really is low. Think of the coolant exchanging with the cylinder only, nothing touching the oil passageways. Once you mix in oil, you get the milkshake oil and sometimes oil in your coolant - until that point the symptoms are as listed above - the symptoms listed above are only the beginning and are probably a VERY small leak on the compression stroke. All I know is that when I had this happen in my Beretta, it took YEARS to track it down and YEARS for it to fail to a measurable level. If I would have done a compression/leakdown test, I would have found it, but my coolant was green and my oil looked good. Now that I know the symptoms, never again. (The car basically never wanted to keep itself cool, which was especially fun when you add the heat of A/C when sitting in traffic.... The car would slowly overheat without fail). It always seemed like the cooling system had to work overtime, even in the winter. My M3 on the other hand keeps itself cool even in the hottest summer weather, the fan barely runs at all, usually only after idling for a while.. The gauge never moves from 50% whereas in the beretta it bounced all over the place as the fan kicked on and off. The cooling system is bubble free, whereas the beretta always seemed to need more coolant. The M3 eats somehow about an ounce of coolant every 1-2 months. HTH. Please remember, I'm not an expert. All corrections welcome. Thanks, Mark
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#6. Re: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Bruce
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:07:36 -0600 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message For me...definitely the expansion tank. I resisted changing it forever due to price, but changing it got rid of the shutdown check coolant light. Much better than a blown headgasket. I can now sell the car without any guilty feelings. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:11:42 -0500 > From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message > > Hi Bruce, > > Please report back on your findings. I have a similar problem, and have > already changed the sensor as well. > > Regards, > Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net > Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 > Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ > 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ > 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ > > "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Damper options - from Grant Fairweather
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:26:37 -0600 From: "Grant Fairweather" <grant_f1@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Damper options From: "Scott Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> These shocks aren't for sissies, and I think after some deep = introspection I may actually be a sissy. Bummer. Don't know why, but that just cracked me up. LOL! On a different note, does anyone happen to have an old, tired, beat-up shift assembly (shift arm, shift lever, bearing etc) that's basically = trash, but would be willing to ship if postage was covered?? Any make, model. = Reason being,=20 my son (7) has taken a particular interest in watching me go through the = gears, and has asked if I could make him a shifter for the back seat. I have = an old knob, and have had zero success combing the big chain hardware stores for = parts that could be pieced together to simulate a gear shift. Whatever I end up, = it will be securely mounted to a small (~10"x10") piece of plywood and strapped = tightly between the rear seats. Grant Fairweather Mundelein, IL 98 M3/4
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#8. Fwd: [E36M3] My '98 Vert is likely for sale.. - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:18:30 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: Fwd: [E36M3] My '98 Vert is likely for sale.. At 01:51 PM 3/10/2006, Rich Dorffer wrote: >Indeed, I wonder what Don does as he drives around? >:-) This went over my head somehow.. but never mind - lots of things do that. >Any pics of the interior? Any better pics where you can actually see the >condition of the car? Will be doing that shortly. These were some quick lunchtime low-res photos just to get it up. >What happened with the original wheels? HEY - they come with it - with ummmm.. one of the Yoko E100's on the front and PS-2-AS on the rear. The PS2's are in excellent condition - the Yokos have about 5-8k left in them. The tires/rims on it are the "winter" ones - although I actually do like the ride/handling qualities of the P-ZeroNero AS tires, which surprised me. I haven't found their limits and I do take on/off rams rather aggressively (it's about all you can do in NJ for fun - at least central/southern NJ) and they worked reasonably well in the few snows we got this year. You get ummmm... 4 excellent condition DS-1's, 2 slightly wobbly DS-1's (not awful) one straight but really ugly DS-1, and one really bent DS-1. And then you get 2 7.5"x17 DS-2's and 2 8.5"x17 DS-2's - the original staggered setup. Having driven it with staggered and non-staggered it does feel more neutral with the non. >Regards, >Rich Iff'in you're interested it is REALLY FOR SALE NOW.. bought an E46/M3C - different colors, red/black so this one has gotta go or SWMBO is gonna be getting really grouchy. If you want me to email some photos direct to you, I'll try to get some tomorrow. Make me an offer.. It does run REALLY well - the motor is a very nice one, feels smoother than the S54 for sure, although the S54 isn't a slouch. Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1, PSJ, SquidBOOF#1 deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator BMW E39 Enthusiast Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 ==================================================================== "Argue with an idiot and he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience" - Dilbert "The difference between intelligence and stupidity is - there is a limit to intelligence" - Anon ====================================================================
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#9. '95 turbo M3 for sale - from Alain van der Heide
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:43:40 -0700 From: "Alain van der Heide" <ajvdh1@comcast.net> Subject: '95 turbo M3 for sale I've decided that I want to do more track events, and that running them in a relatively fast street car with no additional safety equipment is probably not the smartest thing I do. So, I'm going to look for something that's cheaper and has what amounts to a full jungle-gym welded inside it. In order to afford that, I have to sell my M3: 1995 M3. Manual box. Avus/Gray leather. 77k miles. Sunroof, CD changer, cruise, OBC. Turbo (modified MechTech/Aerodyne kit), valve retainers updated, new head gasket, recent radiator Koni coil-over (S/A front, D/A rear), RD Sport bars, GC adj camber, X-brace, Msport strut brace BBS RK/new AVS-100s plus Kosei K1/Toyo RA1s, wheel studs Great condition, fun for daily driving, driving schools or autocross. Located in Colorado. Asking $18,000 - Alain
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#10. Re: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Steve Klein
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:32:10 -0600 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message Just as Mark said. Mine also has taken YEARS to make its presence really known. It's taken my learning how to diagnose several separate symptoms to deduce what's happening. In my case, I have no oil/ coolant mixing, but the over pressurization of the coolant system and a film of oil creeping outward along the plastic cover from the oil filler cap. So I've got two separate leaks, this one pressurizing the oil system/crank case. After a few spirited drives, I saw a small puddle of oil below the rear of the oil pan, so I loosened the filler cap so the pressure can blow off there and I've been driving daintily and the coolant leaks, check level messages and oil leaks have abated for the moment. Steve >> From: "Scott Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> >> Subject: RE: [E36M3] check coolant message >> >> I'm confused. How would a leaking head gasket cause a "coolant >> low" message, >> even if the level is just fine? >> > > Air bubbles. > > The head gasket leak causes bubbles and pressurization into the > cooling > system. Conversely some coolant is burned off. The reading could be > caused by oil in the coolant changing conductivity, air bubbles > passing > by the sensor, or coolant being burned off to the point where the > level > really is low. Think of the coolant exchanging with the cylinder > only, > nothing touching the oil passageways. Once you mix in oil, you get > the > milkshake oil and sometimes oil in your coolant - until that point the > symptoms are as listed above - the symptoms listed above are only the > beginning and are probably a VERY small leak on the compression > stroke. > > All I know is that when I had this happen in my Beretta, it took YEARS > to track it down and YEARS for it to fail to a measurable level. If I > would have done a compression/leakdown test, I would have found it, > but > my coolant was green and my oil looked good. Now that I know the > symptoms, never again. (The car basically never wanted to keep itself > cool, which was especially fun when you add the heat of A/C when > sitting > in traffic.... The car would slowly overheat without fail). It always > seemed like the cooling system had to work overtime, even in the > winter. > My M3 on the other hand keeps itself cool even in the hottest summer > weather, the fan barely runs at all, usually only after idling for a > while.. The gauge never moves from 50% whereas in the beretta it > bounced > all over the place as the fan kicked on and off. The cooling > system is > bubble free, whereas the beretta always seemed to need more coolant. > The M3 eats somehow about an ounce of coolant every 1-2 months. > > HTH. Please remember, I'm not an expert. All corrections welcome. > > Thanks, > Mark >
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#11. UUC Clutch Pedal Pivot Bushing Install Problem - from Jeff Bjerke
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:50:06 -0600 From: "Jeff Bjerke" <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: UUC Clutch Pedal Pivot Bushing Install Problem I'm in the process of installing (actually, on the last step) the UUC clutch pedal pivot bushing kit. Instructions indicate to compress the return spring in a vice and tie it with a zip tie on either side, assemble the spring seats into the spring and mount into place. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but when I zip tie the spring there is no room to slide the seats into the I.D. of the spring as the zip ties are there. I did a search and no one mentioned this problem (that's why I'm wondering if I'm missing the obvious). Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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#12. Re: [E36M3] Part 3 - Ellipsoids & HIDs - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:11:25 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Part 3 - Ellipsoids & HIDs At 10:53 PM 3/9/2006, Mike Frank wrote: >I'm finally making the long overdue switch to ellipsoids w/HID. I've got >one of the very first Conforti CAIs. I swear I remember people having >fitment problems with the larger ellipsoid lights and as a result Conforti >modified the intake tube (shorter?). Can anyone confirm this? Am I >mistaken? No fitment problems here. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - w/ JimC intake & Ellipsoids 1993 325is #44 JP
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#13. RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:13:25 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Haven't received any responses, doesn't anyone know? I am aware that some list members are running AA FI kits. I would really appreciate a reply if anyone does know. All I know is that it's a bosch injector with a red top (stocks are pink), and flows around 30lbs/hr, maybe a lot more, maybe a little less. Please help. ________________________________ From: Patrick Goss - PA Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:51 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger No guessing, what lb/hr are used with the AA 1st gen supercharger? If you know brand, or any further detail than I will be really impressed. Why am I asking, will explain later. Thanks, Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 AA supercharger uninstalled collecting dust
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#14. Hoosier Fitment - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:17:38 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Hoosier Fitment I am wondering if anyone can confirm Hoosier 245/40-17 R3SO5s will fit without issue on my '96 M3 with 8.5 M-Contours. The car is equipped with the TC Kline trackline kit and I have been running stock camber. I am expecting this will fit without issue, as I have 245/40 street tires on all four corners, but I know manufacturers fitment vary. Thanks! Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#15. Bilsteins & T-shirts - from Peter Fry
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:13:08 -0700 From: Peter Fry <PeterFry@aol.com> Subject: Bilsteins & T-shirts Group- I'm reading the Bilstein Sport discussion with interest. Ahmad- you and I seem to be on the same timeline. My red 99 M3 has 81K on it and the shocks are plenty tired. After much contemplation, I ordered Bilsteins to install with stock springs. I think I'll actually look forward to some firmness after a winter on shot shocks and snow tires on 16" rims. The Bilsteins go on next week, joining the X-brace I installed this weekend. I'll faithfully report my inpressions. (Hope I don't find out I'm a sissy!) T-shirts: While catching up on my digest reading the other day, I saw some discussion of a new list T-shirt order. I missed the last one while out of the country. Did I miss this one, too? Or is it still pending? And what about the cling stickers? Think I was in Kuwait during that order. Thanks, ___ Peter Fry