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#1. Re: [E36M3] UUC Clutch Pedal Pivot Bushing Install Problem - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:43:56 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] UUC Clutch Pedal Pivot Bushing Install Problem > As I'm considering this fix as well, the instructions mention "lubricating > the hub" prior to installing the new bushings. > > Suggestions on a lubricant? I used some High temperature grease containing Teflon that I have had sitting around in my garage for the last 10 years. It smells really bad but is pretty slippery and thick enough to not drip out. I think any kind of grease will do for this application though... -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#2. RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from marco
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:24:30 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger I'm no expert but I have no idea how they are adjusting a stock M3 fuel pressure regulator via the ECU. I'm pretty sure it's a mechanical device. I just R&R'd my entire car wiring harness and I don't remember hooking up anything to the fuel pressure regulator. If I remember I'll take a closer look tonight when I get home. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:22 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:33 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Claims below via their website are: STOCK 198.9 WHP | 202.9 Ft/lbs AA Supercharger 282.6 WHP | 262.4 Ft/Lbs Rear Wheel GAINS 83.6 WHP | 59.6 Ft/Lbs BMW E36 M3 Supercharger Kit - 355 Engine Horsepower This M3 Supercharger system for your 1995 - 1999 M3 features the new Rotrex Supercharger unit and includes both a front mounted intercooler and an oil cooler. The system delivers instantaneous power and low end torque unfamiliar to other types of supercharger systems. This is achieved while running super unleaded fuel with the factory exhaust catalyst and stock muffler. There is no need for adding a Mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator, or any other ancillary add-ons to compensate for ignition or fuel. It is all done in the software, just like how the factory would. BMW M3 Supercharger Kit Components: Rotrex C30-94 Trim Supercharger Pressure (Boost) level of 8psi 6 high flow Injectors High temperature hoses with clamps Hi Flow auxiliary electric fan K&N Air Filter Mandrel Bent tubing Special uni-belt with additional rollers Front Mounted air to air Intercooler Front Mounted air to air Oil Cooler Active Autowerke Race By-pass Valve All installation hardware included Active Autowerke Dyno tweaked Software *The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for installation. *2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/97_M3_vs_97_M3_supercharged.cfm Marco, I have seen redtops all over ebay (actually a popular ford smallblock choice), and they are all 30lbs. As for fuel pressure they are claiming to do it via the computer reflash. What do you think? Patrick Fuel injectorless -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:02 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:58:31 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger reds are "probably" 30lbs/hour. at least my injectors in my race car are red and they are 30lbs. How much hp does that AA put out? 30lbs sounds low to me unless they've bumped the fuel pressure significantly over stock. I sized mine to a 300hp motor at 80% duty cycle max. Marco ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from Gary
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:44:21 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger There is not any electronic part on the fuel pressure regulator, strictly vacuum...If you read they say NO regulator modification needed..As in you don't use a rising rate regulator...They program the ECU for the fuel under boost.. There SC kit is pretty much bolt on and not upgradeable..I skipped it and am in the process of building a custom turbo kit on my car for about the same price. A VF SC is a better and more upgradeable unit. Gary Soon to be boosted M3 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:24:30 -0800 > From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > > > > I'm no expert but I have no idea how they are adjusting a stock M3 fuel > pressure regulator via the ECU. I'm pretty sure it's a mechanical device. > I just R&R'd my entire car wiring harness and I don't remember hooking up > anything to the fuel pressure regulator. If I remember I'll take a closer > look tonight when I get home. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:22 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:33 -0600 > From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > > Claims below via their website are: > > > STOCK > 198.9 WHP | 202.9 Ft/lbs > AA Supercharger > 282.6 WHP | 262.4 Ft/Lbs > Rear Wheel GAINS > 83.6 WHP | 59.6 Ft/Lbs > > BMW E36 M3 Supercharger Kit - 355 Engine Horsepower > This M3 Supercharger system for your 1995 - 1999 M3 features the new > Rotrex Supercharger unit and includes both a front mounted intercooler > and an oil cooler. > > The system delivers instantaneous power and low end torque unfamiliar to > other types of supercharger systems. This is achieved while running > super unleaded fuel with the factory exhaust catalyst and stock muffler. > There is no need for adding a Mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator, or any > other ancillary add-ons to compensate for ignition or fuel. It is all > done in the software, just like how the factory would. > BMW M3 Supercharger Kit Components: > Rotrex C30-94 Trim Supercharger > Pressure (Boost) level of 8psi > 6 high flow Injectors > High temperature hoses with clamps > Hi Flow auxiliary electric fan > K&N Air Filter > Mandrel Bent tubing > Special uni-belt with additional rollers > Front Mounted air to air Intercooler > Front Mounted air to air Oil Cooler > Active Autowerke Race By-pass Valve > All installation hardware included > Active Autowerke Dyno tweaked Software > *The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for > installation. > *2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support > > http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/97_M3_vs_97_M3_supercharged.cfm > > Marco, I have seen redtops all over ebay (actually a popular ford > smallblock choice), and they are all 30lbs. As for fuel pressure they > are claiming to do it via the computer reflash. > > What do you think? > > Patrick > Fuel injectorless > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:02 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:58:31 -0800 > From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > reds are "probably" 30lbs/hour. at least my injectors in my race car > are > red and they are 30lbs. How much hp does that AA put out? 30lbs sounds > low > to me unless they've bumped the fuel pressure significantly over stock. > I > sized mine to a 300hp motor at 80% duty cycle max. > > Marco > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:53:45 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Thanks Marco, please do check. I'd wager on the FPR being electronically controlled, or else AA wouldn't comment as such. Big misrep on their part if they are wrong, and they have a lot of these out there. I have lost bets before thou. Guess we have to ask ourselves in absence of manual adjustment, how else would they flow the increased fuel required at boost? It probably has to be electronic and controllable by reflashing the ECU otherwise people would have a lot broken parts. Is there another option to increase fuel/increase pressure other than what is commonly referred to as a FPR? Hmmm!!!! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:32 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:24:30 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger I'm no expert but I have no idea how they are adjusting a stock M3 fuel pressure regulator via the ECU. I'm pretty sure it's a mechanical device. I just R&R'd my entire car wiring harness and I don't remember hooking up anything to the fuel pressure regulator. If I remember I'll take a closer look tonight when I get home. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:22 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:33 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Claims below via their website are: STOCK 198.9 WHP | 202.9 Ft/lbs AA Supercharger 282.6 WHP | 262.4 Ft/Lbs Rear Wheel GAINS 83.6 WHP | 59.6 Ft/Lbs BMW E36 M3 Supercharger Kit - 355 Engine Horsepower This M3 Supercharger system for your 1995 - 1999 M3 features the new Rotrex Supercharger unit and includes both a front mounted intercooler and an oil cooler. The system delivers instantaneous power and low end torque unfamiliar to other types of supercharger systems. This is achieved while running super unleaded fuel with the factory exhaust catalyst and stock muffler. There is no need for adding a Mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator, or any other ancillary add-ons to compensate for ignition or fuel. It is all done in the software, just like how the factory would. BMW M3 Supercharger Kit Components: Rotrex C30-94 Trim Supercharger Pressure (Boost) level of 8psi 6 high flow Injectors High temperature hoses with clamps Hi Flow auxiliary electric fan K&N Air Filter Mandrel Bent tubing Special uni-belt with additional rollers Front Mounted air to air Intercooler Front Mounted air to air Oil Cooler Active Autowerke Race By-pass Valve All installation hardware included Active Autowerke Dyno tweaked Software *The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for installation. *2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/97_M3_vs_97_M3_supercharged.cfm Marco, I have seen redtops all over ebay (actually a popular ford smallblock choice), and they are all 30lbs. As for fuel pressure they are claiming to do it via the computer reflash. What do you think? Patrick Fuel injectorless -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:02 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:58:31 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger reds are "probably" 30lbs/hour. at least my injectors in my race car are red and they are 30lbs. How much hp does that AA put out? 30lbs sounds low to me unless they've bumped the fuel pressure significantly over stock. I sized mine to a 300hp motor at 80% duty cycle max. Marco ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Mark D
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:51:48 -0500 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 16:02 -0600, M540 wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:01:22 -0500 > From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message > > > --------------------<snip>--------------------------- > Air bubbles. > > The head gasket leak causes bubbles and pressurization into the cooling > system. Conversely some coolant is burned off. The reading could be caused > by oil in the coolant changing conductivity, air bubbles passing by the > sensor, or coolant being burned off to the point where the level really is > low. Think of the coolant exchanging with the cylinder only, nothing > touching the oil passageways. Once you mix in oil, you get the milkshake > oil and sometimes oil in your coolant - until that point the symptoms are as > listed above - the symptoms listed above are only the beginning and are > probably a VERY small leak on the compression stroke. > --------------------<snip>--------------------------- > > This is really odd to me. The number of people reporting the same thing > (and all clearly more knowledgeable than myself regarding this car) makes me > very inclined to believe this, but it doesn't make sense to me. I have a > coolant sensor in front of me and it looks like the inside of a toilet: a > cheap crappy float. I had assumed it used a magnet or something to control > a sensor which was sealed inside the column the float surrounded. Is this > wrong? I just can't see how pressure, bubbles, or conductivity would affect > this thing. Bubbles could certainly get caught on the float and push it up, > but that wouldn't give me a "check coolant" message. As it stands, I'm > getting one with six inches of coolant above my new sensor in my new tank > and no foaming. It sounds like others might be in the same boat. > > I definitely will keep an eye out for other signs of a failed head gasket, > but I'm just having trouble pinning the coolant light on that. What am I > missing here? Wiring issues perhaps? The best I can figure is that oil or fuel in the antifreeze perhaps corrodes the sensor? It's kind of a tough one, and I'm only reporting symptoms. The check coolant level error wasn't a part of my head gasket trauma. Thanks, Mark
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#6. RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:06:49 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Thanks Gary and Marco, good information. Still curious on the injector requirement for the AA kit, so would appreciate if anyone knows. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Gary [mailto:probikeguy@probikeusa.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:52 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:44:21 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger There is not any electronic part on the fuel pressure regulator, strictly vacuum...If you read they say NO regulator modification needed..As in you don't use a rising rate regulator...They program the ECU for the fuel under boost.. There SC kit is pretty much bolt on and not upgradeable..I skipped it and am in the process of building a custom turbo kit on my car for about the same price. A VF SC is a better and more upgradeable unit. Gary Soon to be boosted M3 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:24:30 -0800 > From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > > > > I'm no expert but I have no idea how they are adjusting a stock M3 fuel > pressure regulator via the ECU. I'm pretty sure it's a mechanical device. > I just R&R'd my entire car wiring harness and I don't remember hooking up > anything to the fuel pressure regulator. If I remember I'll take a closer > look tonight when I get home. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:22 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:33 -0600 > From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > > Claims below via their website are: > > > STOCK > 198.9 WHP | 202.9 Ft/lbs > AA Supercharger > 282.6 WHP | 262.4 Ft/Lbs > Rear Wheel GAINS > 83.6 WHP | 59.6 Ft/Lbs > > BMW E36 M3 Supercharger Kit - 355 Engine Horsepower > This M3 Supercharger system for your 1995 - 1999 M3 features the new > Rotrex Supercharger unit and includes both a front mounted intercooler > and an oil cooler. > > The system delivers instantaneous power and low end torque unfamiliar to > other types of supercharger systems. This is achieved while running > super unleaded fuel with the factory exhaust catalyst and stock muffler. > There is no need for adding a Mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator, or any > other ancillary add-ons to compensate for ignition or fuel. It is all > done in the software, just like how the factory would. > BMW M3 Supercharger Kit Components: > Rotrex C30-94 Trim Supercharger > Pressure (Boost) level of 8psi > 6 high flow Injectors > High temperature hoses with clamps > Hi Flow auxiliary electric fan > K&N Air Filter > Mandrel Bent tubing > Special uni-belt with additional rollers > Front Mounted air to air Intercooler > Front Mounted air to air Oil Cooler > Active Autowerke Race By-pass Valve > All installation hardware included > Active Autowerke Dyno tweaked Software > *The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for > installation. > *2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support > > http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/97_M3_vs_97_M3_supercharged.cfm > > Marco, I have seen redtops all over ebay (actually a popular ford > smallblock choice), and they are all 30lbs. As for fuel pressure they > are claiming to do it via the computer reflash. > > What do you think? > > Patrick > Fuel injectorless > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:02 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:58:31 -0800 > From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > reds are "probably" 30lbs/hour. at least my injectors in my race car > are > red and they are 30lbs. How much hp does that AA put out? 30lbs sounds > low > to me unless they've bumped the fuel pressure significantly over stock. > I > sized mine to a 300hp motor at 80% duty cycle max. > > Marco > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. Re: [E36M3] check coolant message - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:06:12 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] check coolant message On 3/14/06, Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> wrote: > Wiring issues perhaps? That's what i am suspecting on mine. Every time I start the car now I am getting a check coolant error, in spite of the fact that I am not loosing coolant and the sensor was replaced less than two years ago. It's either a another bad sensor or a bad connection somewhere. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#8. RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from Tom Melton
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:09:01 -0500 From: "Tom Melton" <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Patrick (and all), There is no connection to the FPR. They supply larger injectors and program the injector "on time" in the maps within the DME to support the injectors. The old trick is to have a rising rate FPR, or an FMU (fuel management unit) that is vacuum/boost controlled and utilize stock injectors. Increasing the Fuel Pressure is a cheap trick to make an injector appear larger. The big downside is that if you increase the fuel pressure too much you can cause the injector to no longer flow fuel as it locks up. Then you get parts breakage due to too lean a mixture. That is what AA is commenting on, they did it correctly in the DME tables, thus touting their LACK of NEED for a FMU/AFPR. -Tom >>> "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> 3/14/2006 10:52:06 am >>> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:53:45 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Thanks Marco, please do check. I'd wager on the FPR being electronically controlled, or else AA wouldn't comment as such. Big misrep on their part if they are wrong, and they have a lot of these out there. I have lost bets before thou. Guess we have to ask ourselves in absence of manual adjustment, how else would they flow the increased fuel required at boost? It probably has to be electronic and controllable by reflashing the ECU otherwise people would have a lot broken parts. Is there another option to increase fuel/increase pressure other than what is commonly referred to as a FPR? Hmmm!!!! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:32 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:24:30 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger I'm no expert but I have no idea how they are adjusting a stock M3 fuel pressure regulator via the ECU. I'm pretty sure it's a mechanical device. I just R&R'd my entire car wiring harness and I don't remember hooking up anything to the fuel pressure regulator. If I remember I'll take a closer look tonight when I get home. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:22 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:33 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Claims below via their website are: STOCK 198.9 WHP | 202.9 Ft/lbs AA Supercharger 282.6 WHP | 262.4 Ft/Lbs Rear Wheel GAINS 83.6 WHP | 59.6 Ft/Lbs BMW E36 M3 Supercharger Kit - 355 Engine Horsepower This M3 Supercharger system for your 1995 - 1999 M3 features the new Rotrex Supercharger unit and includes both a front mounted intercooler and an oil cooler. The system delivers instantaneous power and low end torque unfamiliar to other types of supercharger systems. This is achieved while running super unleaded fuel with the factory exhaust catalyst and stock muffler. There is no need for adding a Mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator, or any other ancillary add-ons to compensate for ignition or fuel. It is all done in the software, just like how the factory would. BMW M3 Supercharger Kit Components: Rotrex C30-94 Trim Supercharger Pressure (Boost) level of 8psi 6 high flow Injectors High temperature hoses with clamps Hi Flow auxiliary electric fan K&N Air Filter Mandrel Bent tubing Special uni-belt with additional rollers Front Mounted air to air Intercooler Front Mounted air to air Oil Cooler Active Autowerke Race By-pass Valve All installation hardware included Active Autowerke Dyno tweaked Software *The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for installation. *2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/97_M3_vs_97_M3_supercharged.cfm Marco, I have seen redtops all over ebay (actually a popular ford smallblock choice), and they are all 30lbs. As for fuel pressure they are claiming to do it via the computer reflash. What do you think? Patrick Fuel injectorless -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:02 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:58:31 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger reds are "probably" 30lbs/hour. at least my injectors in my race car are red and they are 30lbs. How much hp does that AA put out? 30lbs sounds low to me unless they've bumped the fuel pressure significantly over stock. I sized mine to a 300hp motor at 80% duty cycle max. Marco ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from Gary
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:12:33 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger If you buy the kit the injectors should come with it. I bet they are 36lb injectors, for 8 psi 36-38lb injectors are what you would need. Some of the guys are running 42 lbs injectors on the turbo cars at 8-9psi. I am running a boost logic fuel rail (HUGE!!) and 55lb injectors on Tec3r PNP from Vic Sias. Gives me room for more boost when I build my new motor later on! And keeps the fuel from over heating with the large fuel rail. This sucker is huge! I was shocked at how large it was :-) looks bling too! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com>; "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Thanks Gary and Marco, good information. Still curious on the injector requirement for the AA kit, so would appreciate if anyone knows. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Gary [mailto:probikeguy@probikeusa.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:52 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:44:21 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger There is not any electronic part on the fuel pressure regulator, strictly vacuum...If you read they say NO regulator modification needed..As in you don't use a rising rate regulator...They program the ECU for the fuel under boost.. There SC kit is pretty much bolt on and not upgradeable..I skipped it and am in the process of building a custom turbo kit on my car for about the same price. A VF SC is a better and more upgradeable unit. Gary Soon to be boosted M3 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:24:30 -0800 > From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > > > > I'm no expert but I have no idea how they are adjusting a stock M3 fuel > pressure regulator via the ECU. I'm pretty sure it's a mechanical device. > I just R&R'd my entire car wiring harness and I don't remember hooking up > anything to the fuel pressure regulator. If I remember I'll take a closer > look tonight when I get home. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:22 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:33 -0600 > From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger > > Claims below via their website are: > > > STOCK > 198.9 WHP | 202.9 Ft/lbs > AA Supercharger > 282.6 WHP | 262.4 Ft/Lbs > Rear Wheel GAINS > 83.6 WHP | 59.6 Ft/Lbs > > BMW E36 M3 Supercharger Kit - 355 Engine Horsepower > This M3 Supercharger system for your 1995 - 1999 M3 features the new > Rotrex Supercharger unit and includes both a front mounted intercooler > and an oil cooler. > > The system delivers instantaneous power and low end torque unfamiliar to > other types of supercharger systems. This is achieved while running > super unleaded fuel with the factory exhaust catalyst and stock muffler. > There is no need for adding a Mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator, or any > other ancillary add-ons to compensate for ignition or fuel. It is all > done in the software, just like how the factory would. > BMW M3 Supercharger Kit Components: > Rotrex C30-94 Trim Supercharger > Pressure (Boost) level of 8psi > 6 high flow Injectors > High temperature hoses with clamps > Hi Flow auxiliary electric fan > K&N Air Filter > Mandrel Bent tubing > Special uni-belt with additional rollers > Front Mounted air to air Intercooler > Front Mounted air to air Oil Cooler > Active Autowerke Race By-pass Valve > All installation hardware included > Active Autowerke Dyno tweaked Software > *The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for > installation. > *2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support > > http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/97_M3_vs_97_M3_supercharged.cfm > > Marco, I have seen redtops all over ebay (actually a popular ford > smallblock choice), and they are all 30lbs. As for fuel pressure they > are claiming to do it via the computer reflash. > > What do you think? > > Patrick > Fuel injectorless > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:02 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:58:31 -0800 > From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA > supercharger > > reds are "probably" 30lbs/hour. at least my injectors in my race car > are > red and they are 30lbs. How much hp does that AA put out? 30lbs sounds > low > to me unless they've bumped the fuel pressure significantly over stock. > I > sized mine to a 300hp motor at 80% duty cycle max. > > Marco > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. RE: [e36m3] RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger - from marco
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:27:00 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Exactly! I've somewhat forgotten what Patrick's original question was. Is it what size does AA use or what size should they use? For a 355hp rated motor I think 30lbs is too low at 80% duty cycle - not only can too much fuel pressure cause an injector to lock, so can running it at too high of a duty cycle. To be on the safe side I'd expect 38-40lb injectors with a stock fpr. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Tom Melton [mailto:Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:12 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:09:01 -0500 From: "Tom Melton" <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Patrick (and all), There is no connection to the FPR. They supply larger injectors and program the injector "on time" in the maps within the DME to support the injectors. The old trick is to have a rising rate FPR, or an FMU (fuel management unit) that is vacuum/boost controlled and utilize stock injectors. Increasing the Fuel Pressure is a cheap trick to make an injector appear larger. The big downside is that if you increase the fuel pressure too much you can cause the injector to no longer flow fuel as it locks up. Then you get parts breakage due to too lean a mixture. That is what AA is commenting on, they did it correctly in the DME tables, thus touting their LACK of NEED for a FMU/AFPR. -Tom >>> "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> 3/14/2006 10:52:06 am >>> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:53:45 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Thanks Marco, please do check. I'd wager on the FPR being electronically controlled, or else AA wouldn't comment as such. Big misrep on their part if they are wrong, and they have a lot of these out there. I have lost bets before thou. Guess we have to ask ourselves in absence of manual adjustment, how else would they flow the increased fuel required at boost? It probably has to be electronic and controllable by reflashing the ECU otherwise people would have a lot broken parts. Is there another option to increase fuel/increase pressure other than what is commonly referred to as a FPR? Hmmm!!!! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:32 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:24:30 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger I'm no expert but I have no idea how they are adjusting a stock M3 fuel pressure regulator via the ECU. I'm pretty sure it's a mechanical device. I just R&R'd my entire car wiring harness and I don't remember hooking up anything to the fuel pressure regulator. If I remember I'll take a closer look tonight when I get home. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:22 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:33 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Claims below via their website are: STOCK 198.9 WHP | 202.9 Ft/lbs AA Supercharger 282.6 WHP | 262.4 Ft/Lbs Rear Wheel GAINS 83.6 WHP | 59.6 Ft/Lbs BMW E36 M3 Supercharger Kit - 355 Engine Horsepower This M3 Supercharger system for your 1995 - 1999 M3 features the new Rotrex Supercharger unit and includes both a front mounted intercooler and an oil cooler. The system delivers instantaneous power and low end torque unfamiliar to other types of supercharger systems. This is achieved while running super unleaded fuel with the factory exhaust catalyst and stock muffler. There is no need for adding a Mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator, or any other ancillary add-ons to compensate for ignition or fuel. It is all done in the software, just like how the factory would. BMW M3 Supercharger Kit Components: Rotrex C30-94 Trim Supercharger Pressure (Boost) level of 8psi 6 high flow Injectors High temperature hoses with clamps Hi Flow auxiliary electric fan K&N Air Filter Mandrel Bent tubing Special uni-belt with additional rollers Front Mounted air to air Intercooler Front Mounted air to air Oil Cooler Active Autowerke Race By-pass Valve All installation hardware included Active Autowerke Dyno tweaked Software *The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for installation. *2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/97_M3_vs_97_M3_supercharged.cfm Marco, I have seen redtops all over ebay (actually a popular ford smallblock choice), and they are all 30lbs. As for fuel pressure they are claiming to do it via the computer reflash. What do you think? Patrick Fuel injectorless -----Original Message----- From: marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:02 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:58:31 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] RE: Fuel Injectors used with AA supercharger reds are "probably" 30lbs/hour. at least my injectors in my race car are red and they are 30lbs. How much hp does that AA put out? 30lbs sounds low to me unless they've bumped the fuel pressure significantly over stock. I sized mine to a 300hp motor at 80% duty cycle max. Marco ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************