E36M3 #4704

Tuesday, March 28, 2006 13:51:49

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale - from Mike Frank
#2. RE: [E36M3] SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement - from Brad DeMotte
#3. Re: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale - from Gus Iverson
#4. Re: [E36M3] Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Jim Bassett
#5. RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Burgess, Kim L
#6. RE: [E36M3] RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Patrick Goss - PA
#7. RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Burgess, Kim L
#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Jesse Chamberlain
#9. RE: [E36M3] SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement - from Burgess, Kim L
#10. Re: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale - from Jim Bassett

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale - from Mike Frank
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:03:03 -0500 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale I'll second that question. Mike > I saw Neil Maller's review on this... Has anyone ordered it more > recently, > and if so, does it still require some modifying, or is it good-to-go as it > comes?

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#2. RE: [E36M3] SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement - from Brad DeMotte
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:12:40 -0500 From: "Brad DeMotte" <brad@demottearchitects.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement Kim, I installed the Sunbelt cams a few months ago when replacing a blown head gasket. To optimize the cams, they should be installed with all the similar parts of a "typical" cam kit, like the Eurosport/Conforti cam kit. Don't bother installing if no other parts are already installed or plan to be. Some parts are the same and some parts are different, and most aftermarket tuners are still working out the bugs for parts to compliment the Sunbelt cams. The biggest issue was the software, as it's not simply a flash of Conforti software.......most likely you'll scrap what you'll have and have to buy again (at least this was the case as of a few months ago). I believe there are fewer issues if any with the OBDI cars vs. the OBDII, mostly software related issues. I ended up not doing the M50 manifold conversion, but did install the following:Conforti CAI, Porsche HFM w/ Euro HFM adapter,24# injectors,shorty headers, "custom software" from Turner (based on a lot of their tuning R&D). Shorty headers and the Porsche HFM decisions made after a lot of research and discussion with my tuners and others out there. Or consider a stand alone programmable ECU unit, but big $$. Definitely have to go with larger injectors. Only issue is that I have to run w/ the O2 sensors unplugged or it runs like crap in a certain RPM range, but runs great with them disconnected. Am working on trying to get rid of the CE light so I can make it thru an emmissions test here in Ct. Performance gain is incredible........well worth it. HUGE difference between previous setup of CAI, exhaust, Conforti software, underdrive pullies. Would be an even bigger improvement over stock. Those E46 M3's will not longer be pulling away on the straights. Can't wait to get on track in the next few weeks. Hope that helps....... Brad DeMotte '97 M3 w/ Sunbelt cams ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:30:15 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement Seth - Do the SunBelt Cams come with or require software upgrade? Which software 'flash' are you recommending for OBDII cars with the SB cams? I see you used an M50 manifold so I'll assume you installed these on a 96+ OBDII vehicle. Does the total package require upgraded fuel injectors as well or do the stock injectors work with the SB cams + manifold + software? Comparing just the SunBelt Cams offered by BW to the EuroSport/Conforti Cam Kit, I'm seeing a disconnect. EuroSport kit contains or requires "Schrick Camshafts, M50 Manifold Conversion Kit (manifold sold separately), 24# Injectors, 3.5" Euro Intake System, Specially Calibrated 3.5" HFM, ASC Delete Boot, and Tuned Shark Injector." KLBurgess

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:14:56 -0800 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale Is this more of a problem with specific model years? I've got a 98 M3/4 and typically run on the road course (Seattle International) down to just over 1/8th of a tank without problems. Or is it just that I'm not driving hard enough yet? Gus

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. On Tue, March 28, 2006 6:21 am, Jesse Chamberlain said: > I have a question regarding the traction control/ACS light in the > instrument > cluster. It the ABS light on as well? If so, then chances are it's the brake pedal travel sensor (BTDT, see my post ~Dec 2003). If not, if it were me, I would take it to a trusted mechanic and have the fault (if any) read out. But then, this would only cost me a ~40 mile trip to one of two such mechanics - YMMV. :-) While the problem may be something you can fix yourself, you need to know *what* to fix first. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett

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#5. RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:46:40 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. Jesse - What tire sizes are you running. I think I've heard that over 3 percent diametrical difference (F-to-R) from factory offering initiates the ASC system. KLB -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:15:32 -0500 From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> Subject: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. I have a question regarding the traction control/ACS light in the instrument cluster. I have a 99 M3 manual with around 56K miles on it and I've recently been experiencing a problem with the traction control/ACS light on the dash. When I start the car up, the traction control light is off, as it should be. But, as I start driving, the light comes on and stays on until I shut the car off. I am assuming this means there is a fault in the system, but could someone explain to me perhaps where to start looking for the faulty component? I know there has to be sensors somewhere in the rear end, but I'm not sure where and I'm not sure if there is a way to test the sensors. I know an option would be to remove the traction control completely, but I would like to keep it as it has helped me in a few situations. :) I am the first to admit that I do NOT know how to drive the car to the best of its abilities, so having the traction control functioning in slippery conditions makes me feel better. :) Thanks for the help. ---------------- Jesse Chamberlain -- 99 M3 Imola Red, Moderna Interior. -- 93 325i Alpine White, Dove Gray.

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#6. RE: [E36M3] RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:59:28 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. Although I haven't calc'd the percent diff, I ran well worn 245 front and 255 rear recently and can confirm the indicator. 255 on all 4 now and all is well, at least for now, realizing I probably just jinxed myself by my saying! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:52 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:46:40 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. Jesse - What tire sizes are you running. I think I've heard that over 3 percent diametrical difference (F-to-R) from factory offering initiates the ASC system. KLB -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:15:32 -0500 From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> Subject: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. I have a question regarding the traction control/ACS light in the instrument cluster. I have a 99 M3 manual with around 56K miles on it and I've recently been experiencing a problem with the traction control/ACS light on the dash. When I start the car up, the traction control light is off, as it should be. But, as I start driving, the light comes on and stays on until I shut the car off. I am assuming this means there is a fault in the system, but could someone explain to me perhaps where to start looking for the faulty component? I know there has to be sensors somewhere in the rear end, but I'm not sure where and I'm not sure if there is a way to test the sensors. I know an option would be to remove the traction control completely, but I would like to keep it as it has helped me in a few situations. :) I am the first to admit that I do NOT know how to drive the car to the best of its abilities, so having the traction control functioning in slippery conditions makes me feel better. :) Thanks for the help. ---------------- Jesse Chamberlain -- 99 M3 Imola Red, Moderna Interior. -- 93 325i Alpine White, Dove Gray. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#7. RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:15:38 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. Note that it is the combination of wheel diameter, tire width, and tire profile that develops the rolling diameter. Also note, that models with manufactures differ in diameter and there are differences between manufactures that results in different rolling diameters of same size tires. Kim L Burgess -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. Although I haven't calc'd the percent diff, I ran well worn 245 front and 255 rear recently and can confirm the indicator. 255 on all 4 now and all is well, at least for now, realizing I probably just jinxed myself by my saying! Patrick --------Original Message-------- Jesse - What tire sizes are you running. I think I've heard that over 3 percent diametrical difference (F-to-R) from factory offering initiates the ASC system. KLB -------------------Original Message------------------- I have a question regarding the traction control/ACS light in the instrument cluster. I have a 99 M3 manual with around 56K miles on it and I've recently been experiencing a problem with the traction control/ACS light on the dash. When I start the car up, the traction control light is off, as it should be. But, as I start driving, the light comes on and stays on until I shut the car off. I am assuming this means there is a fault in the system, but could someone explain to me perhaps where to start looking for the faulty component? I know there has to be sensors somewhere in the rear end, but I'm not sure where and I'm not sure if there is a way to test the sensors. I know an option would be to remove the traction control completely, but I would like to keep it as it has helped me in a few situations. :) I am the first to admit that I do NOT know how to drive the car to the best of its abilities, so having the traction control functioning in slippery conditions makes me feel better. :) Thanks for the help. Jesse Chamberlain -- 99 M3 Imola Red, Moderna Interior. 93 325i Alpine White, Dove Gray.

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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. - from Jesse Chamberlain
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:24:20 -0500 From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. I have the stock size tires and wheels (M contour) for the M3, (245/40-17s on rear and 225/45-17s on front I believe?) This also just started happening a few weeks ago, and I've had the tires on the car since last summer. I have heard people say that if your alignment is out of wack, then it might cause the ASC light to come on, but the car drives straight. Another point, I went out today at lunch time, and drove it, and the light didn't come on. :) Jesse C. On 3/28/06, Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:15:38 -0800 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. > > Note that it is the combination of wheel diameter, tire width, and tire > profile that develops the rolling diameter. Also note, that models with > manufactures differ in diameter and there are differences between > manufactures that results in different rolling diameters of same size > tires. > > Kim L Burgess > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:59 AM > Subject: RE: Traction Control/ACS light comes on and stays on.. > > Although I haven't calc'd the percent diff, I ran well worn 245 front > and 255 rear recently and can confirm the indicator. 255 on all 4 now > and all is well, at least for now, realizing I probably just jinxed > myself by my saying! Patrick > > --------Original Message-------- > Jesse - What tire sizes are you running. I think I've heard that over 3 > percent diametrical difference (F-to-R) from factory offering initiates > the ASC system. > > KLB > > -------------------Original Message------------------- > I have a question regarding the traction control/ACS light in the > instrument cluster. I have a 99 M3 manual with around 56K miles on it > and I've recently been experiencing a problem with the traction > control/ACS light on the dash. When I start the car up, the traction > control light is off, as it should be. But, as I start driving, the > light comes on and stays on until I shut the car off. I am assuming > this means there is a fault in the system, but could someone explain to > me perhaps where to start looking for the faulty component? I know > there has to be sensors somewhere in the rear end, but I'm not sure > where and I'm not sure if there is a way to test the sensors. > > I know an option would be to remove the traction control completely, but > I would like to keep it as it has helped me in a few situations. :) I > am the first to admit that I do NOT know how to drive the car to the > best of its abilities, so having the traction control functioning in > slippery conditions makes me feel better. :) > > Thanks for the help. Jesse Chamberlain -- 99 M3 Imola Red, Moderna > Interior. 93 325i Alpine White, Dove Gray. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- ------------------------------------------- Jesse Chamberlain jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com

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#9. RE: [E36M3] SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:27:56 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement Brad - Are you omitting the pre-cat or post-cat 02 sensors? If post-cat, how about AA 02 Simulators? I'm not a fan of < http://www.aatuning.com/ > but they do sell 02 simulators for/with the 'crack pipe' for OBDII applications. KLBurgess -----Original Message----- From: Brad DeMotte [mailto:brad@demottearchitects.com] Subject: RE: [E36M3] SunBelt Cams...was...RE: Lack of performance improvement Kim, I installed the Sunbelt cams a few months ago when replacing a blown head gasket. <snip> Only issue is that I have to run w/ the O2 sensors unplugged or it runs like crap in a certain RPM range, but runs great with them disconnected. Am working on trying to get rid of the CE light so I can make it thru an emmissions test here in Ct. <snip> Hope that helps....... Brad DeMotte '97 M3 w/ Sunbelt cams

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:43:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fuel Starvation - Sale On Tue, March 28, 2006 10:21 am, Gus Iverson said: > Is this more of a problem with specific model years? I've got a 98 > M3/4 and typically run on the road course (Seattle International) down > to just over 1/8th of a tank without problems. > > Or is it just that I'm not driving hard enough yet? Sorry, it's probably the latter :-) I had the starvation issue on my '98 M3/4, but only toward the end of it's track-life, when I was driving it harder than in the beginning. Usually about 1/3 tank or so left. But, there is a difference in model years. Based on my experience, the earlier E36s (pre-96, possibly non-M only?) don't exhibit this problem. I've run the 325is race car down to well into the reserve, and it corner's a LOT harder/faster than the M3 ever did (race suspension, wider/stickier tires). Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP

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