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#1. Re: pinging - from Craig Perrin
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:51:53 -0400 From: Craig Perrin <cperrin@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: pinging My 8/94 M3 had major pinging -- with all fuel brands, with stock everything, and later with Conforti intake, 24 lb injectors, TMS chip, 96+ headers, and aftermarket exhaust. Same deal: pinging under WOT from 3500-5000 rpm. After talking with Jim C. and Will Turner, I took the car to Active Autowerks in MIami. They diagnosed the car, put in smaller injectors (21.5 lbs), and tuned one of their chips. That was 3 years ago and I've had plenty of power and no pinging since. So you may have a problem that can't be solved without a custom chip. I think I paid $500 for the chip and dyno tuning. Not sure who could do similar work in CA. Craig On Apr 10, 2006, at 4:00 PM, E36M3 wrote: > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:59:41 -0700 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] pinging > > Yes, I do live in California, land of gas octane suckage and > currently gas > price suckage also (at least, maybe a bit more than most other > places in the > country...just passed by a station tonight and regular is at about > 2.79, > premium just under 3 =-O). In my previous email that I sent just a > few > minutes ago :-P, I mentioned that I switched to using the Conforti > anti-knock version of the euro HFM chip, and the problem seemed to > decrease, > but only very slightly. It also seems that in the cooler > temperatures this > winter, the pinging had decreased, but this might just be me having > tuned it > out a bit more due to my annoyance with it. This is what then led > me to > think that the timing chain must have been a bit out of whack (upon > looking > at my folder of receipts from the POs, one of them autoXd the car, > so that > lended more indication that there was a problem with the chain). I > have > been trying to chase this problem down for quite a while, it's one > of the > niggling problems that really bother me, and when I talked to my > mechanic > about it, he said pinging wasn't harmful to the engine, but I > certainly > disagree. I think my car pings more than other M3s do, and that is > very > unsettling to me. I've come to the point of almost hoping the > engine blows > within the next couple of years so I can just get rid of the problem > wholesale (...and perhaps have an excuse to throw in a Euro engine ;). > > Anyway, all ideas appreciated. > > Brian > build 8/95
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#2. Clunk - from Richard Sperry
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:41:35 -0400 From: "Richard Sperry" <richardsperry@comcast.net> Subject: Clunk -------------------- snip------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 06:55:35 -0400 From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> Subject: Subframe Bushings and RTAB H*lp My '98 M3/4 will turn 100K miles tomorrow (yippee!). It's never been tracked or A/C, but it enjoys a more exciting road life than most cars 8 ^ O. It's developed: 1) a startling metallic "clunk" on hard right turns, esp on bumpy roads, that can be felt in the seat of the pants, and 2) a metallic squeak that sounds almost like tire squeal on milder right turns. Two different shops have checked out the usual suspects: X-brace, RSM's, sway bars, other suspension pieces, and all appear innocent. From other comments on the List, it seems that the clunk can be a symptom of F/R subframe bushings gone bad. Am I right? Are these different from the RTAB? If I get the subframe bushings replaced, how big a deal is that in terms of $$ to the Stealer? Wallowing in ignorance, ---------------------------------snip------------------- It could be a lot of things. All of them easy for any diy'er to at least identify, if not fix. If you are taking it to a mechanic, make sure you can duplicate the sound for them. Check the usual suspects, springs, rsm, sway bar end links, lower shock bolt, obvious broken bits... You can carefully mark the position of the RTAB cassette and remove it for inspection. I have seen some people drill two very small holes in the cassette before it moves. They then use two drill bits to align it when they reinstall it. Anyway, good luck Rich
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Which Brand? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:12:37 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Which Brand? Although others may disagree I purchased full (inner and outer) left and right Meyle's off ebay for less than $34 each (id was performance parts store). At that price if they last only half as much as the oems or lem's I am still way ahead. My oem were still tight at 90K, but needed replaced due to frozen adjusters... Patrick 97M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Stefano G [mailto:stefanoale@excite.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:21 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Which Brand? Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stefano G" <stefanoale@excite.com> Subject: Which Brand? I need to replace my tie rod assemblies ( they have a good half inch play each ) I never done it before but looking at my Bentley's manual it looks pretty straight fwd. I looked for a quick quote and noticed that there are 3 brands which vary significantly in price. Any suggestions on getting one over the other? Is the Lemfoerder almost 3 times better than the Karlyn? I figured I'd go for the Meyle... I just need something that won't brake! Brand: Lemfoerder $80 Brand: Meyle $50 Brand: Karlyn $30 Thx Stefano '98 M3 with funny steering... _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Which Brand? - from Jesse Chamberlain
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:30:41 -0400 From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Which Brand? Another data point on Meyle's parts. I bought some control arms with the new all metal ball joints last year (about 14 months ago) and after about 28K miles, I am hearing clunking in the right front ball joint. I went the Meyle route because the control arms were about 63 a piece through ebay. But not again. If I have to replace parts 2 times as often when buying cheap parts, then I'm probably spending more $$ in the long run. Not to mention the time R&Ring the part. Just my 2 cents! :) Jesse Chamberlain -- 99 M3, Imola Red, 56K miles -- 93 325i, Alpine White, 184K miles On 4/11/06, Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:12:37 -0500 > From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Which Brand? > > Although others may disagree I purchased full (inner and outer) left and > right Meyle's off ebay for less than $34 each (id was performance parts > store). At that price if they last only half as much as the oems or > lem's I am still way ahead. My oem were still tight at 90K, but needed > replaced due to frozen adjusters... > > Patrick > 97M3/4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefano G [mailto:stefanoale@excite.com] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:21 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Which Brand? > > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:16:00 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Stefano G" <stefanoale@excite.com> > Subject: Which Brand? > > > I need to replace my tie rod assemblies ( they have a good half inch > play each ) > > I never done it before but looking at my Bentley's manual it looks > pretty straight fwd. > > I looked for a quick quote and noticed that there are 3 brands which > vary significantly in price. Any suggestions on getting one over the > other? Is the Lemfoerder almost 3 times better than the Karlyn? I > figured I'd go for the Meyle... > > I just need something that won't brake! > > Brand: Lemfoerder $80 > Brand: Meyle $50 > Brand: Karlyn $30 > > Thx > > Stefano > '98 M3 with funny steering... > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- ------------------------------------------- Jesse Chamberlain jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com
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#5. Short shifter noise & vibration - from Peter Fry
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 8:06:35 -0600 From: Peter Fry <PeterFry@aol.com> Subject: Short shifter noise & vibration M3 gang- Need you collective advice. I had an AutoSolutions Ultimate Short Shifter installed in my 99 M3 a few weeks ago. Love the precision. Hate the buzzing vibration I'm getting from the shifter above 4k rpm in 2nd, 3rd & 4th gear. I used to love the sounds in that rpm range, now it sounds coarse & unbalanced. Ronald, who seems to own AS, says he's never had complaints of this type, and has another kit on the way. Now, the shop that installed the kit wants to tell me that everything is fine, and replacing one AS shifter with another won't fix the problem. Here's how I see my options: 1. Live with the noise (unacceptable) 2. Replace the shifter with another AS one (probably cost me a couple of hrs labor) that may not fix the problem. 3. Replace the AS shifter with another SSK, like UUC's, since I'm already paying labor. I'm pretty sure AS will take the old kit back. 4. Just go back to stock, replacing as many old bushings as possible in the process. I know I liked the sound then. Please share your opinions of my options andy our experience with various SSKs re: shift feel and especially noise. Thanks in advance ___ Peter Fry Red/Magma 99 M3 Sharked w/CAI Bilsteins, X-brace noisy AutoSolutions SSK
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#6. Sunroof Weight? - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:21:35 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Sunroof Weight? Since we are discussing weight loss here, Does anyone know how much the entire sunroof assembly weigh? For a credible source I have heard the cassette is about 3-4 lbs and the motor being about a pound or two. Back when the Bimmerforums 'search' was working, I had seen people post its worth about 40lbs total. At present the sunroof is not functional in my car (broken cassette) and if I could remove the darn weight that high, I would. The problem is, I would have to remove the cage to do it PITA :( If its only a couple of pounds, I may not bother. Anyone else with some feedback on sunroof weight? (mine is a 1998 model). Thanks, Ahmad
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#7. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? - from Marco
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:38:58 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? I've heard the 40# number too. I think if you end up removing all of the headliner and sunroof components you get closer to the higher number. I never weighed the stuff when I removed it, but it's more than 10, less than 40. ;-) If you're club racing make sure whatever class you're in allows removal of all that stuff. Is your cage bolt in? I removed mine with the cage in place. Mine was welded in. it was a pita. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:30 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:21:35 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Sunroof Weight? Since we are discussing weight loss here, Does anyone know how much the entire sunroof assembly weigh? For a credible source I have heard the cassette is about 3-4 lbs and the motor being about a pound or two. Back when the Bimmerforums 'search' was working, I had seen people post its worth about 40lbs total. At present the sunroof is not functional in my car (broken cassette) and if I could remove the darn weight that high, I would. The problem is, I would have to remove the cage to do it PITA :( If its only a couple of pounds, I may not bother. Anyone else with some feedback on sunroof weight? (mine is a 1998 model). Thanks, Ahmad ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? - from Walter J
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:47:21 -0400 From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? I cannot supply you with empirical data until I get home but I have the entire cassette assy. in my garage and will weigh it for you on THU. I will tell you that the motor is more than 3lbs... I bet the entire assembly is good for closer to 15-20lbs (def not 40 though). and its weight that sits up very high so its worth removing. Note that my guess-timate does not include the sunroof panel either - you need to retain that anyway. There is a section in the new 2006 BMWCCA rules about properly affixing it so make sure you give it a look before just reaching for the sheet metal screws and some race tape ;) My panel is welded to my cage using 1/8" x 1" strips of steel and sealed with black RTV silicone. -- Walter Ahmad Lutfeali wrote: >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:21:35 -0400 >From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> >Subject: Sunroof Weight? > >Since we are discussing weight loss here, > >Does anyone know how much the entire sunroof assembly weigh? For a credible >source I have heard the cassette is about 3-4 lbs and the motor being about >a pound or two. Back when the Bimmerforums 'search' was working, I had seen >people post its worth about 40lbs total. > >At present the sunroof is not functional in my car (broken cassette) and if >I could remove the darn weight that high, I would. The problem is, I would >have to remove the cage to do it PITA :( If its only a couple of pounds, I >may not bother. Anyone else with some feedback on sunroof weight? (mine is a >1998 model). > >Thanks, > >Ahmad > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? - from Tom Melton
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:49:23 -0400 From: "Tom Melton" <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? Ahmad, I have the cassette (complete) in the basement, I can weigh it. The only thing missing from the assembly is the metal outer skin. I think the metal skin was 3-5 pounds, but you would have to keep that anyway... Is removing the sunroof assembly legal in stock? I would think not, but have not read the rules for that item. -Tom >>> "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> 4/11/2006 10:30:29 am >>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:21:35 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Sunroof Weight? Since we are discussing weight loss here, Does anyone know how much the entire sunroof assembly weigh? For a credible source I have heard the cassette is about 3-4 lbs and the motor being about a pound or two. Back when the Bimmerforums 'search' was working, I had seen people post its worth about 40lbs total. At present the sunroof is not functional in my car (broken cassette) and if I could remove the darn weight that high, I would. The problem is, I would have to remove the cage to do it PITA :( If its only a couple of pounds, I may not bother. Anyone else with some feedback on sunroof weight? (mine is a 1998 model). Thanks, Ahmad ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:04:35 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? Tom, It says I need to keep the head liner in place. My current cassette is broken and the sunroof flaps around. I had to put a racer's tape around the outside to make it not rattle/whistle at high speeds. I was thinking about removing the gunk up to and welding the damn thing shut. And for the weight loss, throw in a "Cool Suit" instead ;) Ahmad _____ From: Tom Melton [mailto:Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:49 AM To: E36M3@bmw-m.net; Ahmad Lutfeali Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? Ahmad, I have the cassette (complete) in the basement, I can weigh it. The only thing missing from the assembly is the metal outer skin. I think the metal skin was 3-5 pounds, but you would have to keep that anyway... Is removing the sunroof assembly legal in stock? I would think not, but have not read the rules for that item. -Tom >>> "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> 4/11/2006 10:30:29 am >>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:21:35 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Sunroof Weight? Since we are discussing weight loss here, Does anyone know how much the entire sunroof assembly weigh? For a credible source I have heard the cassette is about 3-4 lbs and the motor being about a pound or two. Back when the Bimmerforums 'search' was working, I had seen people post its worth about 40lbs total. At present the sunroof is not functional in my car (broken cassette) and if I could remove the darn weight that high, I would. The problem is, I would have to remove the cage to do it PITA :( If its only a couple of pounds, I may not bother. Anyone else with some feedback on sunroof weight? (mine is a 1998 model). Thanks, Ahmad ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#11. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:10:10 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? Marco, I am not planning on removing the headliner, just the cassette and the motor and sealing it shut (weld in) and then putting the headliner back in. According to the rule book, the headliner must be in place. If there is some weight savings (such as 20-30 lbs,) I may go the extra mile on the removal (better to have weight at the bottom than on the room) and possibly throw in some weight elsewhere. Otherwise, I will just let it stay in place and deal with the racer's tape around the outside sunroof (GHETTO!!). The other day I had some water leak inside the car too (talk about some funny smell now). Yes I have a bolt in. I can imagine it being a PITA for you. Ahmad -----Original Message----- From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:39 AM To: Ahmad Lutfeali; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? I've heard the 40# number too. I think if you end up removing all of the headliner and sunroof components you get closer to the higher number. I never weighed the stuff when I removed it, but it's more than 10, less than 40. ;-) If you're club racing make sure whatever class you're in allows removal of all that stuff. Is your cage bolt in? I removed mine with the cage in place. Mine was welded in. it was a pita. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:30 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Sunroof Weight? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:21:35 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Sunroof Weight? Since we are discussing weight loss here, Does anyone know how much the entire sunroof assembly weigh? For a credible source I have heard the cassette is about 3-4 lbs and the motor being about a pound or two. Back when the Bimmerforums 'search' was working, I had seen people post its worth about 40lbs total. At present the sunroof is not functional in my car (broken cassette) and if I could remove the darn weight that high, I would. The problem is, I would have to remove the cage to do it PITA :( If its only a couple of pounds, I may not bother. Anyone else with some feedback on sunroof weight? (mine is a 1998 model). Thanks, Ahmad ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************