E36M3 #4729

Wednesday, April 12, 2006 14:21:05

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Power Steering Refresh - from Mo Karamat
#2. Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Mechanism - from Brian Ruiz
#3. RE: Power Steering Refresh - from Lawrence Barbieri
#4. Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Mike Frank
#5. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Patrick Goss - PA
#6. Re: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Jesse Chamberlain
#7. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Mike Frank
#8. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Patrick Goss - PA
#9. RE: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Paul L Fisher
#10. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Jim Bassett
#11. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Paul L Fisher
#12. Re: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for - from Jim Bassett
#13. FS: Dell 19" monitor - from Chester Wong

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#1. Power Steering Refresh - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:35:46 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Power Steering Refresh Patrick, Hello.. I use Redline ATF, you will be fine. Mo -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:53:30 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh I read my manuals all the time! Yeah I remember it being ATF, just wondered if there was anything else recommended performance/preservation wise. Guess I could just use some leftover redline ATF, unless someone says it's not a good idea. Patrick

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Mechanism - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:44:34 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sunroof Mechanism Hey all, I had the problem with my headliner sliding around when I bought my car last March. It really started to grate on me, and I kept on trying to find time to fix it, but I just wasn't getting to it. Even the felt started to sag from banging around so long. Finally, one day, I was fed up and decided to rip apart the interior. I got some info from the digests and went to work. I pulled the headliner (which included removing A/B/C pillar trim, upper seatbelt pulleys, and sunvisors), sunroof, sunroof casette, and finally found the source of the problem. I have a half done writeup on the procedure, I have been promising UUC digest members this since a few months ago, and I'm still not done, I feel terrible. Reason is because I've been working full time and studying for my entrance exam for med school =-O. So I've been busy. For you all, hang on to your parts if you are willing to do the procedure and find out if you really do need a whole new cassette. There are a couple repair kits for this very problem (as well as some of the other common E36 sunroof problems) available from BMW. The whole procedure, although somewhat extensive, is actually very easy. The only hard part is finding room to rest the parts on to repair them without scratching them or breaking them. I have my headliner resting on top of an old mattress in my garage ;). The part numbers for the repair kits will be available in my writeup as soon as its done. I take my test next weekend, so I am really going to try and finish it up after I finish the test. HTH, Brian build 8/95 On 4/12/06, Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> wrote: > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:52:14 -0400 > From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE:Sunroof (Shipping) Weight? NOW : WTB - Sunroof > Mechanism > > Dave: > Where are you located? I have a perfect working sunroof cassette with > all the trim (and a good headliner if you tear yours on the way out). > The shipping is very expensive via UPS but if you live anywhere near NE > or SE PA I'd be happy to meet you half way. > > I suppose that offer stands for anyone with a busted sunroof.... > > I was planning to sell the headliner for $100 and the cassette for $150 > but I'm open to offers or trades for good used race slicks :) > > -- > Walter > > Dave Thomas wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:31:50 -0700 > >From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE:Sunroof (Shipping) Weight? NOW : WTB - Sunroof > Mechanism > > > >On Tuesday 11 April 2006 2:20 pm, Jonathan Evans wrote: > > > > > >>to thinking it may be a buyers market. My sunroof has had the inner > >>sliding headliner/panel broken for about 5 years (livable, but moves > fore > >>and aft with a bang). And now the roof refuses to budge unless the > switch > >>is depressed WHILE banging a fist next to it. Difficult to say the > least > >>while driving on the interstate. > >> > >> > > > >I have the same situation. > > > >Does anyone know what fails that causes this condition? > > > >I would either like to get a good cassette and swap mine out or just > purchase > >all the parts that are failure items on the unit and have them at the > ready. > >Since I got the M3 I don't care to drive my other cars very much so > avoiding > >downtime is important to me ;-) > > > >Dave T. > > > > > >************************************************* > >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > >Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > >DIGEST INFORMATION: > >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > >************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#3. RE: Power Steering Refresh - from Lawrence Barbieri
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:42:55 -0400 From: "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> Subject: RE: Power Steering Refresh Take the opportunity to do this right. Once you get the lines off you'll have drained the reservior. If you haven't changed the reservoir, why not do that too. There's a filter in the bottom that cannot be changed separately, so this is worth doing. The reservoir is not that expensive, $20+ as I recall. Once the lines are off, remove the serpentine belt and spin the P/S pump by hand to force the remaining fluid out of the rack into a drain pain. After replacing the reservoir and hoses fill the reservoir with ATF. You can use Redline D4 or Royal Purple Synchromax. What I did was attach everything except the return hose to the reservoir. Then I filled the system with inexpensive ATF and kept turning the pump by hand until I ran the new fluid through completely and nothing else came out. Then I buttoned up the return hose and filled with Royal Purple. Turn the wheels lock to lock to fill the rack. Adjust level in the reservoir and go drive. Check the level after a few days and top up as needed. Larry > Although not leaking, they are dirty from seepage, so I ordered the $25 > buck kit from that guy on bimmerforums that is selling the lengths of > 3/8" and 5/8" 300 PSI hose with heavy duty clamps. Any advice on fluid > to use, or how much I will loose when I cut these off? > > > > Patrick Goss > > Doing this now when access is easy while waiting for my Zionsville rad -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 4/12/2006

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#4. Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Mike Frank
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:49:09 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? I'm well overdue for some new front rotors and was curious if anyone knows of a good (cheap) source. Local dealer wants like $145/ea. Hendricks was about the same (no more free shipping). Last time I think I paid around $110-120ish/ea. Would be willing to consider cheap OEM equivalent like Balo or Brembo or whatever based on others good experiences if they're significantly cheaper. I thought I remember hearing about some OEM rotors featuring excessive runout straight out of the box. I'd like to avoid these. Thanks, Mike Frank 97 M3

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#5. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:53:14 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Thanks to all that answered, redline ATF it will be. My M sure is going to be happy for awhile: New Zville rad comp kit with spal fan Genuine dealer coolant Samco hoses New oil filter / recharge K&N Refresh Power Steering hoses Brand new fat 255 Falken RT615 on 9" 18lb forgelines Another DIY alignment All this is getting installed/tested Friday night before early morning easter drive. Would have preferred to test it all at the auto-x in Aberdeen, but can't...family first. She won't know what hit her! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Mo Karamat [mailto:karamatm@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:40 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:35:46 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Power Steering Refresh Patrick, Hello.. I use Redline ATF, you will be fine. Mo -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:53:30 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh I read my manuals all the time! Yeah I remember it being ATF, just wondered if there was anything else recommended performance/preservation wise. Guess I could just use some leftover redline ATF, unless someone says it's not a good idea. Patrick ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Jesse Chamberlain
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:56:37 -0400 From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? I will mention this since they are a list sponser, I bought a pair of front rotors for my 99 M3 from Bimmerworld a week or so ago for 90 dollars for the pair. They are Brembo rotors, basic, but good for replacing old worn ones. --------------- Jesse C. --99 Imola Red, Moderna M3, 56K miles --93 Alpine White, Dove Gray 325i, 183K miles On 4/12/06, Mike Frank <mfrank28@insightbb.com> wrote: > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:49:09 -0400 > From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> > Subject: Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? > > I'm well overdue for some new front rotors and was curious if anyone knows > of a good (cheap) source. Local dealer wants like $145/ea. Hendricks was > about the same (no more free shipping). Last time I think I paid around > $110-120ish/ea. > > Would be willing to consider cheap OEM equivalent like Balo or Brembo or > whatever based on others good experiences if they're significantly > cheaper. > I thought I remember hearing about some OEM rotors featuring excessive > runout straight out of the box. I'd like to avoid these. > > Thanks, > > Mike Frank > 97 M3 > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- ------------------------------------------- Jesse Chamberlain jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com

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#7. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Mike Frank
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:58:52 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Patrick, My P/S fluid reservoir was covered with fluid/dirt. I replaced the hose clamp underneath a couple of years ago after noticing some seepage. I'm guessing the fluid must also leak/bleed from the cap (anyone?) Still seems to leak a little from somewhere. Are you going to flush the system or just replace what you lose? I think the system is self bleeding, but don't hear of many people changing the fluid unless they replace the rack. My fluid looks OK, but I'm wondering if it makes sense to change it, and if so, the best way to do it. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:20 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:14:00 -0500 > From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: Power Steering Refresh > > Although not leaking, they are dirty from seepage, so I ordered the $25 > buck kit from that guy on bimmerforums that is selling the lengths of > 3/8" and 5/8" 300 PSI hose with heavy duty clamps. Any advice on fluid > to use, or how much I will loose when I cut these off? > > > > Patrick Goss > > Doing this now when access is easy while waiting for my Zionsville rad

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:07:57 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh My intention is to flush and refill as Lawrence suggested, just not sure I will be doing the reservoir unless I can find one it time. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frank [mailto:mfrank28@insightbb.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:59 PM To: 'E36M3' Cc: Patrick Goss - PA Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Patrick, My P/S fluid reservoir was covered with fluid/dirt. I replaced the hose clamp underneath a couple of years ago after noticing some seepage. I'm guessing the fluid must also leak/bleed from the cap (anyone?) Still seems to leak a little from somewhere. Are you going to flush the system or just replace what you lose? I think the system is self bleeding, but don't hear of many people changing the fluid unless they replace the rack. My fluid looks OK, but I'm wondering if it makes sense to change it, and if so, the best way to do it. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:20 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:14:00 -0500 > From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: Power Steering Refresh > > Although not leaking, they are dirty from seepage, so I ordered the $25 > buck kit from that guy on bimmerforums that is selling the lengths of > 3/8" and 5/8" 300 PSI hose with heavy duty clamps. Any advice on fluid > to use, or how much I will loose when I cut these off? > > > > Patrick Goss > > Doing this now when access is easy while waiting for my Zionsville rad

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#9. RE: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:09:29 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? I just bought the OEM ones from www.buybrakes.com for $65 a piece for the rears of my M Roadster. Haven't gotten them yet but other stuff I've bought from them have turned out well. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU 1989 325ix E30 M20 Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frank [mailto:mfrank28@insightbb.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:51 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:49:09 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? I'm well overdue for some new front rotors and was curious if anyone knows of a good (cheap) source. Local dealer wants like $145/ea. Hendricks was about the same (no more free shipping). Last time I think I paid around $110-120ish/ea. Would be willing to consider cheap OEM equivalent like Balo or Brembo or whatever based on others good experiences if they're significantly cheaper. I thought I remember hearing about some OEM rotors featuring excessive runout straight out of the box. I'd like to avoid these. Thanks, Mike Frank 97 M3 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release Date: 4/11/2006

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh On Wed, April 12, 2006 12:00 pm, Mike Frank said: > My P/S fluid reservoir was covered with fluid/dirt. I replaced the hose > clamp underneath a couple of years ago after noticing some seepage. I'm > guessing the fluid must also leak/bleed from the cap (anyone?) I believe there's a breather hole in the cap. Shouldn't get fluid coming out of there, except under extreme conditions (track duty, auto-x, etc). I had this happen on the race car, until one of my mechanics suggested filling the reservoir til the fluid *just* touches the bottom of the dipstick. > Are you going to flush the system or just replace what you lose? I think > the system is self bleeding, but don't hear of many people changing the > fluid unless they replace the rack. Actually, the fluid should really be changed/drained/flushed every couple of years. I know it's not on an "official" BMW service interval, but then, how many of us bought the whole "lifetime fluid" thing? :-) Seeing the state of the fluid that's come out when changing hoses/etc made me put this on my maintenence list :-) Jim Bassett

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#11. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:11:24 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh How I flushed it on mine was to use a turkey baster, get as much out as possible, fill with new, start the engine, go lock-to-lock several times, stop engine, repeat until I've put 2 quarts of new in. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU 1989 325ix E30 M20 Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frank [mailto:mfrank28@insightbb.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:00 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:58:52 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Patrick, My P/S fluid reservoir was covered with fluid/dirt. I replaced the hose clamp underneath a couple of years ago after noticing some seepage. I'm guessing the fluid must also leak/bleed from the cap (anyone?) Still seems to leak a little from somewhere. Are you going to flush the system or just replace what you lose? I think the system is self bleeding, but don't hear of many people changing the fluid unless they replace the rack. My fluid looks OK, but I'm wondering if it makes sense to change it, and if so, the best way to do it. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:20 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:14:00 -0500 > From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: Power Steering Refresh > > Although not leaking, they are dirty from seepage, so I ordered the $25 > buck kit from that guy on bimmerforums that is selling the lengths of > 3/8" and 5/8" 300 PSI hose with heavy duty clamps. Any advice on fluid > to use, or how much I will loose when I cut these off? > > > > Patrick Goss > > Doing this now when access is easy while waiting for my Zionsville rad -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release Date: 4/11/2006

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#12. Re: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:16:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? On Wed, April 12, 2006 11:50 am, Mike Frank said: > Would be willing to consider cheap OEM equivalent like Balo or Brembo or > whatever based on others good experiences if they're significantly > cheaper. > I thought I remember hearing about some OEM rotors featuring excessive > runout straight out of the box. I'd like to avoid these. I've been using plain, non-floating, Brembo rotors on the M3. Even back when it was the track car. ~$45/each back in the day, locally. Rotors are consumables; purchase accordingly (and yes, I used floating rotors once. *Once* :-)). Jim Bassett

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#13.  FS: Dell 19" monitor - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: <OT> FS: Dell 19" monitor Thought I'd see if anyone here would want it before it goes on ebay. 1907FP model, to be exact. New, unopened. Looking for $250. Thanks, Chester

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