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#1. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Mike Frank
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:47:45 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Well, it looks like I'll add this to my "to do" list. I think extreme conditions caused my reservoir to leak down to the *just* touching the dipstick point. Doesn't seem to leak anymore. Thanks, Mike > On Wed, April 12, 2006 12:00 pm, Mike Frank said: > > My P/S fluid reservoir was covered with fluid/dirt. I replaced the hose > > clamp underneath a couple of years ago after noticing some seepage. I'm > > guessing the fluid must also leak/bleed from the cap (anyone?) > > I believe there's a breather hole in the cap. Shouldn't get fluid coming > out of there, except under extreme conditions (track duty, auto-x, etc). I > had this happen on the race car, until one of my mechanics suggested > filling the reservoir til the fluid *just* touches the bottom of the > dipstick. > > > Are you going to flush the system or just replace what you lose? I > think > > the system is self bleeding, but don't hear of many people changing the > > fluid unless they replace the rack. > > Actually, the fluid should really be changed/drained/flushed every couple > of years. I know it's not on an "official" BMW service interval, but then, > how many of us bought the whole "lifetime fluid" thing? :-) > > Seeing the state of the fluid that's come out when changing hoses/etc made > me put this on my maintenence list :-) > > Jim Bassett
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:11:09 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh > > From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh > > Rich, I've been reading this list fairly religiously > for 4+ years now, and I think your assistance has > become somewhat negative of late. As I sit here > watching Office Space, I can't really be sure if you > need a promotion, or if your going to need to come > in...on...Saturday. Gee Jason, thanks for the public criticism about my attitude. Call it whatever you want, I stand by my comments about my method to flush the ATF from the power steering. I consider it more effective and less wasteful than the "turkey baster" method. YMMV and to each their own. Besides, I haven't been receiving my royalty checks for participating on this list lately so that isn't making me too happy either... ;-) Regards, Rich - refuses to use the new cover sheet on my TPS report and active member on the E36M3 Digest for ~7 years now...
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Mike Frank
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:22:34 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? Thanks Jim. Who do you buy them from? Mike > On Wed, April 12, 2006 11:50 am, Mike Frank said: > > Would be willing to consider cheap OEM equivalent like Balo or Brembo or > > whatever based on others good experiences if they're significantly > > cheaper. > > I thought I remember hearing about some OEM rotors featuring excessive > > runout straight out of the box. I'd like to avoid these. > > I've been using plain, non-floating, Brembo rotors on the M3. Even back > when it was the track car. ~$45/each back in the day, locally. > > Rotors are consumables; purchase accordingly (and yes, I used floating > rotors once. *Once* :-)). > > Jim Bassett
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#4. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Foglight Removal & Covers? - from David Ngo
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Foglight Removal & Covers? Turner also carries them. http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=51118122449/50 Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: Marco <m3driver@iname.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:20:26 PM Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Foglight Removal & Covers? Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:13:14 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Foglight Removal & Covers? p/n L 51 11 8 122 449 p/n R 51 11 8 122 450 they are grey (aka dunkelgrau) Marco -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:50 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Foglight Removal & Covers? Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Foglight Removal & Covers? On Wed, April 12, 2006 1:10 pm, twisty M3 said: > I could swear I've seen what appeared to be factory covers, You have, probably on my race car :-) > but can't > find anything on RealOEM.com. Try looking under "318". Foglights were options on the 318, whereas they were standard on the 6-cyl 3-series & M3s. So the covers would only be "available" for a 318. Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] RE: Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? - from Mike Frank
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:24:40 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Best current source for floating rotors (repeat for sure)? Larry, Was that recently? I couldn't find them on their site. If you have a link that would be great. Thanks, Mike > Pacific BMW had them on their website for $102. Don't expect fast > shipping, > but that's the best price I've seen. > > Larry > > > I'm well overdue for some new front rotors and was curious if anyone > knows > > of a good (cheap) source. Local dealer wants like $145/ea. Hendricks > was > > about the same (no more free shipping). Last time I think I paid around > > $110-120ish/ea.
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#6. Foglight covers - from Peter
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:45:42 -0500 From: Peter <JPWheelr@dakarm3.com> Subject: Foglight covers They are $25.94 each from the dealer, unpainted. 51 11 8 122 449 (Left) 51 11 8 122 450 (Right) Wanna sell your fogs? Trade?
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Foglight covers - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:56:40 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Foglight covers NA list price is $20.75 each so if you pay more than that you're paying above retail. I sell them for $13/ea unpainted. Jack Money Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com On 4/13/06, Peter <JPWheelr@dakarm3.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:45:42 -0500 > From: Peter <JPWheelr@dakarm3.com> > Subject: Foglight covers > > They are $25.94 each from the dealer, unpainted. > > 51 11 8 122 449 (Left) > 51 11 8 122 450 (Right) > > Wanna sell your fogs? Trade? > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:11:07 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh You are correct. I figure my way is better than none an I’m always a little afraid of getting air in the system. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU 1989 325ix E30 M20 Elkhorn, WI. _____ From: rdorffer@gmail.com [mailto:rdorffer@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rich Dorffer Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:06 PM To: Paul L Fisher Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh Ahh, I see, so you aren't doing anything to prevent the old fluid from commingling with the new fluid so it more akin to the auto tranny flush where you drain two quarts and then dump in two quarts into an eight quart system and repeating five or six times until a fair amount of the fluid is replaced. I guess I prefer my method where one quart or a bit more would essentially replace all the fluid. Regards, Rich On 4/12/06, Paul L Fisher <HYPERLINK "mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com"bmw@paul-fisher.com> wrote: Nope. Disconnect nothing. Turkey baster is how I get the fluid out. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Dorffer [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:E36M3Digest@gmail.com"E36M3Digest@gmail.com] > From: "Paul L Fisher" <HYPERLINK "mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com"bmw@paul-fisher.com > > > How I flushed it on mine was to use a turkey baster, get as much out as > possible, fill with new, start the engine, go lock-to-lock several times, > stop engine, repeat until I've put 2 quarts of new in. Although simplified, what Paul fails to mention which is fairly important is that he had to disconnect something to allow the old fluid to be pushed out (typically the return line that attaches to the reservoir) and to catch the old fluid. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 4/12/2006
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:24:22 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh I agree, your way is certainly better than nothing and is a good way if you don't have a lift or an easy way to disconnect a hose and catch the fluid. I have gotten air into the system before, it quickly works its way out and I don't believe there is any detriment, it isn't like the pump will cavitate or you would lose steering control, the air bubbles are generally small and work their way out quickly. Sorry I misunderstood your original post. Regards, Rich On 4/13/06, Paul L Fisher <bmw@paul-fisher.com> wrote: > > You are correct. I figure my way is better than none an I'm always a > little afraid of getting air in the system. > > ------------------------------ > > ***On Behalf Of *Rich Dorffer > ** > Ahh, I see, so you aren't doing anything to prevent the old fluid from > commingling with the new fluid so it more akin to the auto tranny flush > where you drain two quarts and then dump in two quarts into an eight quart > system and repeating five or six times until a fair amount of the fluid is > replaced. > > I guess I prefer my method where one quart or a bit more would essentially > replace all the fluid. >
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Power Steering Refresh On Thu, April 13, 2006 10:20 am, Paul L Fisher said: > You are correct. I figure my way is better than none an I’m always a > little > afraid of getting air in the system. The system is self-bleeding, so worries on that account. On my home computer I have a procedure for helping bleed the system from one of my mechanics from when I changed the P/S pump. I'll try to post it in the next day or two. Jim Bassett