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#1. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:35:37 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Would loosening a motor mount or two help? -----Original Message----- From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:29 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:25:33 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install it can be done on the car. I did it. took about 4hours IIRC. BUT I had all the A/C lines removed since it was in the race car. I can't imagine doing it with the a/c lines in the way. The reason the a/c lines are an issue is you need to come up from the bottom of the car to get to some of the nuts/studs. Marco -----Original Message----- From: tetice@triad.rr.com [mailto:tetice@triad.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:19 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:13:26 -0400 From: tetice@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Gary is right and if the TMS shorty header is anything like the other shorty that I installed they are a royal PITA. I installed mine with the cylinder head on a bench - I'm sure its possible but I can't imagine doing the same job on the car. You'll need all your patience and every conceivable 11mm wrench (curved, angled, ratcheting, etc) and 11mm socket with various length 1/4 inch extensions that wobble and/or have U-joints. IIRC, you will need to get all of the nuts started and may need to progressively tighten them or you will run out of clearance for a few as you fully tighten down the others. And obviously the studs should all go in first. Good luck and let us know how it turns out as I may be going down a similar path soon on my 325i. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '93 325i JP in need of headers '02 X5 '02 325iT/5 > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:52:33 -0500 > From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install > > If they are like the euro headers better get ALL your 11mm > stuff...short > wrench you name it. > > The Euro headers are a PITA to put on or take off....I did mine > four > times...not fun... > > Gary > turbo manifold now... ahhh much easier... ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Even More brake drama - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:48:18 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Even More brake drama Alex, You need to remove the caliper and use a brake compression tool (available at most decent autoparts stores) to press the piston back into the caliper. You might be able to do it with the brake line attached if you open the bleed nipple but I doubt you'll be able to do it by hand. I would also advise that you take this opportunity to replace the seal and the rubber dust boot. The rebuild kit is avaliable from the dealer or from Bimmerworld for ~$25. Another, albeit more expensive (and not really necessary) option is to just buy a new caliper, Bimmerworld had them on sale recently for $150 or so for fronts. Don't give up on your car because of something as trivial as this, I do this on all four wheels once per year as PM for track purposes and it is pretty easy when you get it down. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#3. brake drama - from tim ng
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:07:39 -0400 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: brake drama what part of NJ?? its a long state? What exit of the turnpike? :)) why didn't you remove the calipers from the lines first. Sounds like you cocked the piston when you forced it back on to stop the brake fluid from leaking. I remember my first brake job MANY years ago, I had a friend of mine who is a master BMW mechanic show me how its done and what NOT to do. Show me once and I followed his instructions. Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 95 BUZZNM3 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. car ------------------ CAR FOR SALE 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures
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#4. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install - from Marco
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:16:11 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install maybe if you can tilt the motor towards the drivers side. shortys compared to the supersprints are a pita. while the SS are typically more dollars if you pay a mech to do it I bet it comes out to be equal cost wise. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:36 AM To: Marco; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Would loosening a motor mount or two help? -----Original Message----- From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:29 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:25:33 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install it can be done on the car. I did it. took about 4hours IIRC. BUT I had all the A/C lines removed since it was in the race car. I can't imagine doing it with the a/c lines in the way. The reason the a/c lines are an issue is you need to come up from the bottom of the car to get to some of the nuts/studs. Marco -----Original Message----- From: tetice@triad.rr.com [mailto:tetice@triad.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:19 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:13:26 -0400 From: tetice@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install Gary is right and if the TMS shorty header is anything like the other shorty that I installed they are a royal PITA. I installed mine with the cylinder head on a bench - I'm sure its possible but I can't imagine doing the same job on the car. You'll need all your patience and every conceivable 11mm wrench (curved, angled, ratcheting, etc) and 11mm socket with various length 1/4 inch extensions that wobble and/or have U-joints. IIRC, you will need to get all of the nuts started and may need to progressively tighten them or you will run out of clearance for a few as you fully tighten down the others. And obviously the studs should all go in first. Good luck and let us know how it turns out as I may be going down a similar path soon on my 325i. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '93 325i JP in need of headers '02 X5 '02 325iT/5 > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:52:33 -0500 > From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install > > If they are like the euro headers better get ALL your 11mm > stuff...short > wrench you name it. > > The Euro headers are a PITA to put on or take off....I did mine > four > times...not fun... > > Gary > turbo manifold now... ahhh much easier... ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Even More brake drama - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:20:40 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Even More brake drama Rust rings from what? The piston? Where is the rust on the piston? As a side note, I have never rebuilt a caliper, ever. If it leaks, get a new one. If it doesn't, leave it alone. As others have said, you need to get the caliper off of the car. At the very least, you need to pop open the bleeder screw before you try pushing it back in. I'm in WI so I can't come over. Sorry! Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU 1989 325ix E30 M20 Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Demsky [mailto:hyper_m3@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:21 AM To: bmw@paul-fisher.com Cc: e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: RE: [E36M3] Even More brake drama Pulled the piston out to clean any rust rings. Live in NJ. Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 04.5 A4 1.8TQ6US ~ http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/AudiA4.html 97 S/C M3 ~ http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html "I think your car is broken, the driver doesn't seem to be working properly" >From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> >Reply-To: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Even More brake drama >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:18:40 -0500 > >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:17:50 -0500 >From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Even More brake drama > >1st of, where are you? 2nd, why did you pull the piston out? > >Paul L Fisher > >2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 >2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU >1989 325ix E30 M20 > >Elkhorn, WI. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.0/325 - Release Date: 4/26/2006
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#6. RE: Even More brake drama - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:22:01 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Even More brake drama Alex - You did remove the bleeder screw, correct? Lightly grease the caliper O-Ring with brake fluid or Sly-glide(sp?)(NAPA product) it should slide right in on a clean caliper/new seals/O-ring, though it sounds like you have plenty of BF lubricant. It won't be easy, but I think you already know that. Also, you might have the piston cocked in the bore, look closely. Kim Burgess -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:04:09 -0400 From: "Alex Demsky" <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: Even More brake drama Im thinking I should just stop where I am, pack up the car and sell it. I just cant figure out why I cant do what I thought I could do. So now after ordering and receiving new rotors and pads, Im sitting next to my passenger side caliper gushing brake fluid on the floor after pulling the piston out. <snip> Now, I can't get the piston to go back in, it wont budge. WTF~! I couldn't break the seal from the brake line either so I couldnt remove the caliper from that. Anyone live in the area that I could pay to help me here? Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 04.5 A4 1.8TQ6US ~ 97 S/C M3 ~ "I think your car is broken, the driver seems to be working on it"
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#7. RE: FW: [e36m3] [E36M3] Even More brake drama - from Alex Demsky
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:25:41 -0400 From: "Alex Demsky" <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: FW: [e36m3] [E36M3] Even More brake drama Ok, whew. So thanks for all your quick replies and Chester for being online at the time. I was able to undo the brake line once I was told to reattach the brake assembly then pop the nut with more leverage. Made it so much easier. Got the dust boot back on and the piston in perfectly. Put the new pads on and now its time to bleed. Oh wait, still have the other side to do..... Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 04.5 A4 1.8TQ6US ~ http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/AudiA4.html 97 S/C M3 ~ http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html "I think your car is broken, the driver doesn't seem to be working properly"
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#8. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:18:29 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Need help with shorty header install I was thinking of picking up a set of the TMS shortys in the near future. Compared to the Supersprints, they are a deal. What is the opinion on the improvement between the shortys and the Supersprint, however? Thanks, Brian build 8/95 On 4/27/06, Marco <m3driver@iname.com> wrote: > ...shortys compared to the supersprints are a pita. while the SS are > typically > more dollars if you pay a mech to do it I bet it comes out to be equal > cost > wise.
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#9. Brake Drama - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:26:47 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Brake Drama Alex, Do yourself a favor. Get a rebuilt one from AutoZone for $55~ and then return your old one back. The 5 series used the same caliper so they are a dime a dozen. Either that or contact Bobby Thrash at www.stricly-german.com I had the bleeder nipple break on me. Instead of drilling it out and going through the whole drama, I just damn replaced it with the AutoZone one with lifetime warranty. Don't let the petty stuff bog you down :) Ahmad -----Original Message----- From: Alex Demsky [mailto:hyper_m3@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:09 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Even More brake drama
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#10. Independent Shop in Memphis? - from kresener@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:41:50 -0400 From: kresener@aol.com Subject: Independent Shop in Memphis? Can anyone recommend an independent BMW repair facility in Memphis? Friend just moved there and needs to have some work done and would love to avoid the dealer... Kurt Resener Louisville, KY