E36M3 #4759

Thursday, April 27, 2006 20:29:13

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#1. Even More brake drama - from Rich Dorffer
#2. Shorties vs Long Tube....was...Need help with shorty header install - from Burgess, Kim L
#3. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Marco
#4. Re: [E36M3] Shorties vs Long Tube....was...Need help with shorty header install - from Jamie Howton
#5. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jamie Howton
#6. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jim Bassett
#7. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jamie Howton
#8. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jamie Howton
#9. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jim Bassett
#10. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Dave DeBuhr

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#1. Even More brake drama - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:51:22 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Even More brake drama From: "Marco" < m3driver@iname.com> It has been said that one can push the piston back in with their hands. I must have wimpy hands since I've never been able to do it. I have rebuilt a number of calipers (using genuine OE parts as opposed to the cheap crap Autozone sells) and Ate's caliper assembly grease and have had no problem reinstalling the pistons by hand (even though I have a number of piston installation tools handy as well). It does take some strength, but it isn't that bad and it gives you a much better feel for what you are doing. > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Um...you used the hydraulic system to push the piston out? So the caliper > is > still attached to the lines? There's no way you're going to get it back > on > with your barehands if you can't detach the caliper from the line. I > don't > even know if there is any clearance to get a tool to fit between the > piston and > the outside "fingers" of the caliper to attempt to push it back in against > all > the hydraulic fluid. Sure you can, haven't you retracted the piston in a caliper before when installing new pads? If so, that pushed fluid back into the system. At a minimum, undo the bleeder valve so the fluid can escape there instead of having to push it back into the system. Also, I have three or four tools that can easily push the piston into place using the outside of the caliper as well as many use a large C clamp to accomplish the same task. Rebuilding while on the car is certainly doable, but very messy, I prefer to do them off the car. Regards, Rich

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#2. Shorties vs Long Tube....was...Need help with shorty header install - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:28:34 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Shorties vs Long Tube....was...Need help with shorty header install Shorties and a SS will develop power in different areas of the RPM range. Unequal-length short-tube headers are by far the most common design, and make more power than the stock head pipes. Maybe, depending whether we are talking about a 3.0L '325 log' exhaust manifold or a 3.2L factory tube head pipe. Equal-length short-tubes generally make more power than their unequal-length siblings depending on the design. Then, there are long-tube headers, which are purported to make more power than any short-tube design. But how much, and where? And what sacrifices must be made for the extra power? Generally, a short tube header will produce more power than a long tube design but in a small/shorter range of the RPM band. Long tube headers will make more overall power - produce more area under the overall curve - due to there ability to take advantage of exhaust pulses to more effectively scavenge and pull, for a longer duration, a fresh charge into the cylinders. Of course there are other considerations as well. It is my understanding that with a S52US 3.2L, the catalytic converter is the bottle neck even with shortie headers. With the 95 S50 3.0L engine it is the pre-cat merge and the smallish post-cat and cat-back exhaust. 3.0Ls can benefit simply from using a stock 96+ cat-back exhaust. Additionally, I'm inclined to believe that the 3.0L will benefit from the stock 96+ S52US head pipes but then there is the issue of two pre-cat O2 sensors ports vs. one for the S50 3.0L and the S50 3.0L pre-cat merge. Ref http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Categ ory_Code=E36E And http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Categ ory_Code=CATS Consider these from JetHot http://www.jet-hot.com/Images/BMWheader.jpg From http://www.jet-hot.com/Pages/newheaders.html KLBurgess -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:18:29 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Need help with shorty header install I was thinking of picking up a set of the TMS shortys in the near future. Compared to the Supersprints, they are a deal. What is the opinion on the improvement between the shortys and the Supersprint, however? Thanks, Brian build 8/95

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#3. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Marco
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:02:14 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters crap. wish you would have posted that two weeks ago. I just fabbed up something similar to the EVOII with my own two hands out of alumlite. Cost less but took me 4 hours to make. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Richard Harden [mailto:roguem3@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:19 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:13:26 -0400 From: "Richard Harden" <roguem3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters www.maxvelocity.net Roman is the owner and has developed a bunch of different splitters. -Richard On 4/26/06, Tom Yee <tomgsr@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:00:18 -0400 > From: "Tom Yee" <tomgsr@hotmail.com> > Subject: larger front splitters > > Dear E36 M3 fans: > > Has anyone fabricated or installed a deeper front splitter than the > factory > piece? I get a bit of lift at speed (yes, I know gas is $$$ and speed > eats > gas) and wondered about a deeper splitter. I don't really want to scrape > roadkill, I just want maybe another inch of depth/extension. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom Yee > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Shorties vs Long Tube....was...Need help with shorty header install - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:20:20 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Shorties vs Long Tube....was...Need help with shorty header install > Of course there are other considerations as well. > It is my understanding that with a S52US 3.2L, the catalytic converter > is the bottle neck even with shortie headers. With the 95 S50 3.0L > engine it is the pre-cat merge and the smallish post-cat and cat-back > exhaust. 3.0Ls can benefit simply from using a stock 96+ cat-back > exhaust. Additionally, I'm inclined to believe that the 3.0L will > benefit from the stock 96+ S52US head pipes but then there is the issue > of two pre-cat O2 sensors ports vs. one for the S50 3.0L and the S50 > 3.0L pre-cat merge. The 96 exhaust manifold and straight pipes to a gutted 95 muffler are what's on my track car. I didn't dyno before, but after with Conforti intake and software and 24lb injectors my RWHP was 227(273 flywheel using a 17% loss). I imagine that with a decent flowmaster or aftermarket muffler it might be better too. It isn't a street car at all, that's why no cats although I do feel guilty about it. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#5. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:26:15 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters > crap. wish you would have posted that two weeks ago. I just fabbed up > something similar to the EVOII with my own two hands out of alumlite. Cost > less but took me 4 hours to make. Marco, what is Alumlite? -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#6. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters On Thu, April 27, 2006 4:28 pm, Jamie Howton said: > Marco, what is Alumlite? Perhaps he meant alumalite? How'd I guess? I JFG'd it :-) Jim Bassett - Firefox browser with Google search bar built right in :-)

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#7. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:02:40 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters > Perhaps he meant alumalite? OK, what is that? -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#8. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:08:02 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters > > Perhaps he meant alumalite? > > OK, what is that? Never mind, google is your friend: http://www.signboards.com/Panel/alumalite/Index.asp -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#9. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters On Thu, April 27, 2006 5:08 pm, Jamie Howton said: > Never mind, google is your friend: Yes, it is. LOL! "JFGI" - the "RTFM" of the digital age. :-) Jim Bassett

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#10. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:24:59 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters JFGI? Jim Finds Google Indispensible? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:19 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] larger front splitters On Thu, April 27, 2006 5:08 pm, Jamie Howton said: > Never mind, google is your friend: Yes, it is. LOL! "JFGI" - the "RTFM" of the digital age. :-) Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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