E36M3 #4795

Thursday, June 01, 2006 08:35:42

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Paul L Fisher
#2. RE: [E36M3] OBD1 to OBDII - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Mike VanAmburgh
#4. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Chester Wong
#5. Forged Double Spokes - from Matt Weimer
#6. changing springs - need some help - from mdriver13@aol.com
#7. Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Carey Probst
#8. Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Jamie Howton
#9. Re: [E36M3] tranny fluid escaping - from marty
#10. Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Jay Hudson
#11. Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Carey Probst

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:10:25 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield Why even bother? www.safelite.com shows $201.96 for a new windshield plus tax. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Cheng, Margaret [mailto:Margaret.Cheng@kp.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:05 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:50:58 -0700 From: "Cheng, Margaret" <Margaret.Cheng@kp.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield With 10 yrs, and 93k miles, the insurance company may be willing to replace your windshield for the price of your deductible on the grounds that your visibility is impaired. You may want to give them a call, just in case. Margaret 97 M3/4, white with dirty, but not sandblasted windshield (not too much, anyway...) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006

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#2. RE: [E36M3] OBD1 to OBDII - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:45:07 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] OBD1 to OBDII >There has been a car converted from a regular IS to an HS after putting in >an aluminum door panels, hoods, diff changed to 3.23, AC removed, wing added >etc etc. to replicate an LTW from the factory and NO its not prepared. You >CAN put in a light weight battery to reduce weight in Stock class provided >the minimum weight is met. Read 7.L. in the stock class rules. You're not supposed to do the ltw battery thing anymore. Agreed on the converting the car thing but in my opinion I don't agree with doing engine swaps and converting cars to LTW specs as being in the spirit of stock class racing. That's just my thing, you can do it all day since the rules allow it. >Jack Money reads this list often ;) Yes he does. >As for my car, its truly and IS (got my annual tech and log book this past >weekend). I know I was just teasin', but then again if you have the leeetle battery Jack is going to be knocking on your door. What's your address in Hotlanta? :-> Cheers, -Carlos.

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Mike VanAmburgh
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:32:30 -0500 From: "Mike VanAmburgh" <mvanamburgh@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield Hello Neil, it just so happens that I had my windshield replaced yesterday. Well, actually they replaced it last Tuesday but cracked the new PPG windshield when trying to reseat the plastic cowl piece. Oops! They replaced it again yesterday - this time without removing the cowl piece. That worked out much better for them. :-) An interesting thing that happened during this ordeal was that the windshield seal that was on my car had a rain channel. When they ordered a new seal, it was for a 95 M3 but it didn't have the rain channel and had unsightly gaps in the upper corners after installed. Horrible design and the glass guy said it was a b**** to work with. The supplier swore that the rain channel seal was not available and stated the seal that was in there must have been the wrong one. Umm, right. So after they cracked the new windshield, they of course had to order another seal. They ordered the same part number but this time received a seal with the rain channel! The two packages had identical part numbers marked on them (I saw them myself). I'm not sure if the OE seal has the rain channel but I really like having it. The wife's 97 M3/4 doesn't have the rain channel and it sucks getting a bath while using the windshield washer with the window open. Grrr... Mike 95 M3 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Maller" <neil.maller@gte.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield > Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:55:22 -0400 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Replacement Windshield > > At 10 years and 93K miles, quite a few of which are track miles, it's no > surprise that my windshield is looking pretty sandblasted. Now that it's > also acquired a couple of chips I'm thinking seriously about a pre-emptive > replacement. > > I recall that there's something of a consensus that PPG is the brand to go > with, and it's recently been mentioned that it's a good idea to buy the > original BMW seal. I assume that's part #6 here? > <http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG93&mospid=47488&btnr=51_205 > 1&hg=51&fg=05> > > Anything else needed? That diagram doesn't show whatever seals the > windshield along the bottom. > > One more thing. When I had the driver's door glass replaced many years > ago, > the new generic glass turned out to lack the shadow/shading along the > edges. > The installer hadn't noticed, but agreed that this was unacceptable, > ordered > the BMW P/N and redid it at no charge. > > Does the PPG windshield come with this shadowing? > > Neil > 96 M3 > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* >

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Replacement Windshield --- Mike VanAmburgh <mvanamburgh@charter.net> wrote: > Hello Neil, it just so happens that I had my windshield replaced yesterday. > Well, actually they replaced it last Tuesday but cracked the new PPG > windshield when trying to reseat the plastic cowl piece. Oops! They > replaced it again yesterday - this time without removing the cowl piece. > That worked out much better for them. :-) Not a very competent shop if they can't remove/reinstall the cowling...strange > An interesting thing that happened during this ordeal was that the > windshield seal that was on my car had a rain channel. When they ordered a > new seal, it was for a 95 M3 but it didn't have the rain channel and had > unsightly gaps in the upper corners after installed. Horrible design and > the glass guy said it was a b**** to work with. The supplier swore that the > rain channel seal was not available and stated the seal that was in there > must have been the wrong one. Umm, right. So after they cracked the new > windshield, they of course had to order another seal. They ordered the same > part number but this time received a seal with the rain channel! The two > packages had identical part numbers marked on them (I saw them myself). > > I'm not sure if the OE seal has the rain channel but I really like having > it. The wife's 97 M3/4 doesn't have the rain channel and it sucks getting a > bath while using the windshield washer with the window open. Grrr... IIRC, the sedans don't have the rain channel and the coupes do. The window cutout should also be different hence the unsightly gaps and stuff. When you saw the part numbers, were they the official BMW one (with the roundel) or were they dealer applied stickers? If it's the dealer applied sticker, I'm afraid the first seal was mislabeled. Chester

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#5.  Forged Double Spokes - from Matt Weimer
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 05:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <mjweimer@yahoo.com> Subject: <WTB> Forged Double Spokes Hello Group, I am looking for a complete set of painted forged double spokes. I believe the painted version of this wheel came on earlier cars (pre 9/95 build) but I am not exactly sure. If you have a set or know of any leads let me know. Thanks. Matt Weimer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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#6. changing springs - need some help - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:41:19 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: changing springs - need some help Hi Group, After getting some pretty high estimates on changing my OEM springs to Eibachs ($350 to $700), I'm considering the job myself. This really can't be that difficult, right? Rears should be real easy (drop suspension and change out). Fronts struts are Koni SA's...so just remove and change (note: will need spring compressor or minimal time from a local garage), will replace isolator pads while I'm doing this. Alignment to follow. Am I making this look too simple or is the above basically correct? Also, is there a good write-up of this procedure somewhere other than Bentley? TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by WCC & JT-Designs) Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion

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#7. Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:54:44 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help Just make sure to use a good spring compressor. Don't want them flying through the air and punching holes in walls and people. We did that on my son's E30 and will be doing on his E36 soon. If I remember all we had to do was remove the rear sway bar and half shafts to get full movement, not actually remove anything. Carey mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:41:19 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: changing springs - need some help > > Hi Group, > > After getting some pretty high estimates on changing my OEM springs to Eibachs ($350 to $700), I'm considering the job myself. This really can't be that difficult, right? Rears should be real easy (drop suspension and change out). Fronts struts are Koni SA's...so just remove and change (note: will need spring compressor or minimal time from a local garage), will replace isolator pads while I'm doing this. Alignment to follow. > > Am I making this look too simple or is the above basically correct? Also, is there a good write-up of this procedure somewhere other than Bentley? > > TIA, > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by WCC & JT-Designs) > Philly Region SCCA > 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:54:41 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help > After getting some pretty high estimates on changing my OEM springs to Eibachs ($350 to $700), I'm considering the job myself. This really can't be that difficult, right? Rears should be real easy (drop suspension and change out). Fronts struts are Koni SA's...so just remove and change (note: will need spring compressor or minimal time from a local garage), will replace isolator pads while I'm doing this. Alignment to follow. > > Am I making this look too simple or is the above basically correct? Also, is there a good write-up of this procedure somewhere other than Bentley? > Yeah, you have it right, it's pretty easy. Spring compressor required for the front but that's the only "special" tool. -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#9. Re: [E36M3] tranny fluid escaping - from marty
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:07:03 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] tranny fluid escaping I'm ready to take my car into the shop to get the leak fixed (suspect is input shaft seal). I've ordered and received a bunch of the while you're in there parts but still not sure what to do for clutch/flywheel/pressure plate. I imagine this is one of those topics where you get ten different answers from ten people but would like to see if there's any consensus. At least I'd have more input to help, or muddle, my decision. '96 M3, 104K miles with original drive train parts. It's used as semi-daily driver (not commuting), with occasional track and autocross usage. I'm pretty easy on the clutch, etc - no dragstrips or anything. Clutch isn't slipping or anything but throwout bearing (i think) has been making some noise for a year or so. I'm trying to decide which route to take: 1) replace clutch w/ OE; wait until it's apart to see if pressure plate or flywheel need replacing. What is normal lifetime of pressure plate and or flywheel? 2) replace clutch and pressure plate w/ OE. presuming answer to #1 is pressure plate is a normal wear item. 3) get Bimmerworld's lightweight flywheel package with stage 1 clutch. This one sounds fun but I've never driven a car with lw flywheel and don't know if it's worth the large (approx $800) price differential from #2. I'm rationalising it by thinking that's only $80/yr for another 10 years. 4) something else I'm not yet aware of. thanks, marty

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#10. Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:25:10 -0700 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help You've got it. Pretty easy. You'll want an impact gun to break the top nut loose and re-tighten on the fronts. There are other ways if you don't have one. HF has cheap spring compressors. Be sure to have e-brake released when trying to do the rears. It keeps the rear from going down as far. Unbolt bottom shock nut. You'll have to have a friend help you force the rear down to get the spring out. Or, use a pry bar. You do NOT have to disconnect halfshafts. I have never disconnected the sway bar either. Just makes pushing the hub assy down a little harder. Good luck - Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: <mdriver13@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 5:45 AM Subject: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:41:19 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: changing springs - need some help > > Hi Group, > > After getting some pretty high estimates on changing my OEM springs to > Eibachs ($350 to $700), I'm considering the job myself. This really can't > be that difficult, right? Rears should be real easy (drop suspension and > change out). Fronts struts are Koni SA's...so just remove and change > (note: will need spring compressor or minimal time from a local garage), > will replace isolator pads while I'm doing this. Alignment to follow. > > Am I making this look too simple or is the above basically correct? Also, > is there a good write-up of this procedure somewhere other than Bentley? > > TIA, > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by WCC & JT-Designs) > Philly Region SCCA > 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#11. Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:27:23 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Coil overs vs. sport springs My son is looking to upgrade the suspension on his E36 and considering either Bilsteins/Eibach springs or a coilover setup. For a primarily street car is there any real advantage to the coilover setup? Seems like a lot of extra expense and useful for track work but not for the street. Or am I missing something? TIA Carey -- Carey Probst '99M3 daily driver '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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