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#1. Re: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:45:52 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs Adjustable ride height and corner balance... no wait, it's really only useful on the track. Gus 98 ///M3/4 w/TC Kline C/Os <- DD / Track Toy and IMHO a perfect compromise On 6/1/06, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:27:23 -0400 > From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: Coil overs vs. sport springs > > My son is looking to upgrade the suspension on his E36 and considering > either Bilsteins/Eibach springs or a coilover setup. > > For a primarily street car is there any real advantage to the coilover > setup? Seems like a lot of extra expense and useful for track work but > not for the street. Or am I missing something? > > TIA > > Carey > > -- > > > > Carey Probst > > '99M3 daily driver > > '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed > > > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#2. RE: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Alexander Fadeev
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:50 -0400 From: "Alexander Fadeev" <afadeev@smu.edu> Subject: RE: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help Carey Probst [mailto:hcprobst@alum.mit.edu] wrote: > > If I remember all we had to do was remove the rear sway bar > and half shafts to get full movement, not actually remove anything. No need to touch the sway bars nor the half shaft on E36. Just unbolt the rear shock (one lower bolt), release the hand-brake and the rear subframe will drop far enough to pup the springs in and out. It helps if you have a friend push down on the subframe with his/her weight to create more space when installing new springs. Fronts take a bit longer since you need to remove the strut tower (3 bolts below, 3 above + the sway bar link). You can borrow the spring compressors for free from AutoZone. Second time through figure on 30 minutes for the rears and 2-3 hours for the fronts. 2-3x that first time around. HTH, alex f
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#3. RE: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help --- Alexander Fadeev <afadeev@smu.edu> wrote: > It > helps if > you have a friend push down on the subframe with his/her weight to > create more > space when installing new springs. To be clear, it helps to have a friend push down on the _brake rotor_ and hence pushing the suspension arm down a bit, not the subframe (which seems like an impossibility). I managed to get the springs out on my own, but that took a few tries and cursing, but if you can get a good grip on the spring then simultaneously pull the spring outwards and push the suspension down with your knee via the brake rotor (if you're doing the job on jackstands), it can come free. Just remember to release the e-brake. -zs
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:18:11 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs Offers adjustment flexibility for different tires sizes, car shows if you son is into that, drivetrain (steep driveways, winter etc), maybe better clearance up front for wider wheels, at least that is how I am justifying my wanting them for a mostly street car. Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 Ghetto Suspension -----Original Message----- From: Gus Iverson [mailto:gus.iverson@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:55 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:45:52 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs Adjustable ride height and corner balance... no wait, it's really only useful on the track. Gus 98 ///M3/4 w/TC Kline C/Os <- DD / Track Toy and IMHO a perfect compromise On 6/1/06, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:27:23 -0400 > From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: Coil overs vs. sport springs > > My son is looking to upgrade the suspension on his E36 and considering > either Bilsteins/Eibach springs or a coilover setup. > > For a primarily street car is there any real advantage to the coilover > setup? Seems like a lot of extra expense and useful for track work but > not for the street. Or am I missing something? > > TIA > > Carey > > -- > > > > Carey Probst > > '99M3 daily driver > > '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed > > > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil overs vs. sport springs On 6/1/06, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > My son is looking to upgrade the suspension on his E36 and considering > either Bilsteins/Eibach springs or a coilover setup. > > For a primarily street car is there any real advantage to the coilover > setup? Seems like a lot of extra expense and useful for track work > but not for the street. Or am I missing something? Advantages of coilover kits for street driving: - Your choice of spring rates and types to complement your driving style, handling goals, road conditions, comfort goals. Most sport springs are progressively wound (may or may not be good) and offered in a fixed rate. - Adjustable ride height. Most sport spring kits will set the car at an agressive looking rake (nose down), but this is actually detrimental to handling and the car's ability to "put down" the power. Adjustable height suspensions let you dial in an optimal rake angle and of course fine tune the ride height (e.g. so that the front doesn't scrape on those little parking berms if you so desire). - More suspension travel. The stock struts and kits that use parts from the stock struts typically have long bump stops and thick (tall) strut tower bearings. Ground Control's coilover kits give you more travel by spec'ing short strut housing length, shorter bumpstops, and their camber plates are not as tall as stock. Net result is a car at a lower ride height that can actually compress more than stock. If you and your son do decide to go the sport spring route, do yourselves a favor and upgrade the shocks to Koni adjustables at the same time. The OEM shocks are designed for the particular (soft) springs that come on the car, and will do a crappy job with anything stiffer. Old shocks will be even worse, and thus easier to justify the upgrade to Konis. So lots of advantages of coilover kits, but I'm sure you know that you've gotta pay to play... ;-) -zs
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#6. RE: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:26:21 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help >No need to touch the sway bars nor the half shaft on E36. >Just unbolt the rear shock (one lower bolt), release the hand-brake and the >rear subframe will drop far enough to pup the springs in and out. It helps if >you have a friend push down on the subframe with his/her weight to create more >space when installing new springs. Semantics but hopefully the subframe stays put. :-) You're moving the trailing arm. >Fronts take a bit longer since you need to remove the strut tower (3 bolts >below, 3 above + the sway bar link). You can borrow the spring compressors for >free from AutoZone. Again semantics but hopefully the strut tower remains attached to the car. :-) You're removing the strut. One other thing I would suggest is to not use an impact on Koni SAs, all the adjustment crap is up there and from what I hear it's quite delicate. You want to use hand tools to disassemble the strut bearing in my opinion. Go nuts with the impact on the spring compressors though, it'll make things go faster. -Carlos 98 M3 on the tckline Koni SAs
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#7. re: Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Vince Leo
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Leo <m332is@yahoo.com> Subject: re: Coil overs vs. sport springs Hi Carey, I think coil overs are overkill for the street as most people will never take the time to adjustment them enough. Read my Roundel column (Bimmer Lite) from last month. I know it is a MINI column, but the theory is the same. Vince Bimmer Lite -------------------- 11 -------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:27:23 -0400 From: Carey Probst Subject: Coil overs vs. sport springs My son is looking to upgrade the suspension on his E36 and considering either Bilsteins/Eibach springs or a coilover setup. For a primarily street car is there any real advantage to the coilover setup? Seems like a lot of extra expense and useful for track work but not for the street. Or am I missing something? TIA Carey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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#8. Re: Coilovers vs. sport springs - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:45:25 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Coilovers vs. sport springs on 6/1/06 9:45 AM, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > For a primarily street car is there any real advantage to the coilover > setup? No. > Seems like a lot of extra expense and useful for track work but > not for the street. Yes. > Or am I missing something? No. Yours in brevity, Neil 96 M3 - Coilovers
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#9. OT - BMW Bleeder in Milwaukee/Chicago area? - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:50:55 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: OT - BMW Bleeder in Milwaukee/Chicago area? Sorry for the off topic since it’s for an E39 but I hope someone knows! A week or so ago I left my pressure bleeder hooked up to my 2000 BMW 540i while I went inside to attend to some business. Anyhow, I forgot I had pulled the caliper off of the rotor and when I came back out, the pressure bleeder had done its job and pushed the piston out and proceeded to empty itself and the reservoir. Anyhow, I bled the whole system and got a bunch of air out of it but the pedal is still soft. I think I got some air in the ABS system. Anyone know of an independent shop or a person that has the tool that will cycle the ABS? I hate to pay dealer rates for this. Thanks! Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006
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#10. Re: [E36M3] re: Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:07:16 -0700 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] re: Coil overs vs. sport springs Hi, I agree. I went with Bilstein Sports over a coilover setup. Price was one reason, but corner weighting, etc. seemed like a PITA for a daily driver. I may do a track day or AutoX but the coilover setup was $600 more for something that "I" didn't need. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Jun 1, 2006, at 7:55 AM, Vince Leo wrote: > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Vince Leo <m332is@yahoo.com> > Subject: re: Coil overs vs. sport springs > > Hi Carey, > > I think coil overs are overkill for the street as most people > will never take the time to adjustment them enough. Read my > Roundel column (Bimmer Lite) from last month. I know it is a MINI > column, but the theory is the same. > > Vince > Bimmer Lite > > > > > -------------------- 11 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:27:23 -0400 > From: Carey Probst > Subject: Coil overs vs. sport springs > > My son is looking to upgrade the suspension on his E36 and considering > either Bilsteins/Eibach springs or a coilover setup. > > For a primarily street car is there any real advantage to the coilover > setup? Seems like a lot of extra expense and useful for track work but > not for the street. Or am I missing something? > > TIA > > Carey > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >