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#1. [E36M3] changing springs - need some help - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:45:39 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] changing springs - need some help > > From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com > > One other thing I would suggest is to not use an impact on Koni SAs, all > the adjustment > crap is up there and from what I hear it's quite delicate. You want to > use > hand tools to > disassemble the strut bearing in my opinion. Agreed, both Bilstein and Koni recommend hand tools if you read their instructions. Go nuts with the impact on > the spring compressors > though, it'll make things go faster. And if you read their instructions, they also don't recommend using impact tools on spring compressors. Regards, Rich
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#2. Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG - from Will Turner
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:47:53 -0500 From: "Will Turner" <willt@turnermotorsport.com> Subject: Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG This seems like a good time to offer some information on coil overs (if someone else has not beat me to it) The major difference that people notice between street coil overs and non coil over street lowering kits on the E36 (besides the ability to adjust the ride height to exactly where you want it) is : Ride on rough roads, The coil over kits we sell (H&R and Bilstein specifically) are engineered so that when the car is lowered the car will still have close to , if not the same, suspension travel capability. Meaning that a coil over kit will not "bottom out" like a standard sport shock and lowering spring combo can when you hit big bumps. This makes a huge difference when hitting pot holes and the like. Bottoming out makes the "BANG" that you hear when hitting a big bump... So, now for the Sales plug... We are offering E36 Bilstein Coil over kits at 10% of our already low prices this month (while supplies last) E36 325/328 PSS9 (9 way adjustable) $1259 E36 M3 3.0 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 M3 3.2 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 325/328 PSS (non adjustable) $854 The pricing is not advertised on line but if you mention that you are a digest member when you call , we will adjust pricing. -Will ------------------------------------ Turner motorsport Will Turner President willt@turnermotorsport.com 16 Hunt Road South Amesbury, Ma 01913 tel: 978-388-7769 x 11 fax: 978-388-4202 ------------------------------------
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:01:50 -0800 From: Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG I installed coil overs (H&R) at the recommendation of Turner. I have never bottomed out my suspension in 25K miles of rough Alaska roads, and trust me... I've hit some frackin' huge freezer bumps at high speed. I am completely satisfied and would never choose anything else. Matthew 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Will Turner [mailto:willt@turnermotorsport.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:55 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:47:53 -0500 From: "Will Turner" <willt@turnermotorsport.com> Subject: Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG This seems like a good time to offer some information on coil overs (if someone else has not beat me to it) The major difference that people notice between street coil overs and non coil over street lowering kits on the E36 (besides the ability to adjust the ride height to exactly where you want it) is : Ride on rough roads, The coil over kits we sell (H&R and Bilstein specifically) are engineered so that when the car is lowered the car will still have close to , if not the same, suspension travel capability. Meaning that a coil over kit will not "bottom out" like a standard sport shock and lowering spring combo can when you hit big bumps. This makes a huge difference when hitting pot holes and the like. Bottoming out makes the "BANG" that you hear when hitting a big bump... So, now for the Sales plug... We are offering E36 Bilstein Coil over kits at 10% of our already low prices this month (while supplies last) E36 325/328 PSS9 (9 way adjustable) $1259 E36 M3 3.0 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 M3 3.2 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 325/328 PSS (non adjustable) $854 The pricing is not advertised on line but if you mention that you are a digest member when you call , we will adjust pricing. -Will ------------------------------------ Turner motorsport Will Turner President willt@turnermotorsport.com 16 Hunt Road South Amesbury, Ma 01913 tel: 978-388-7769 x 11 fax: 978-388-4202 ------------------------------------ ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. RE: [E36M3] re: Coil overs vs. sport springs - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:10:20 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] re: Coil overs vs. sport springs I didn't need them either. But I WANTED them. Anyone else have that propblem? :) Realistically, I was able to choose street spring rates that ride more comfortably than your standard spring/shock setups. My car rides smoother than the stock springs and blown shocks that I replaced And still have lots of suspension travel. 375F/450R...shortened Konis. And the camber plates allowed enough neg camber to keep from destroying two very expensive ffront street tires in the track days I have put on them. YMMV. Dave 98 M3/4 Uneccessarily GC equipped and lovin' it ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I may do a track day or AutoX but the coilover setup was $600 more for something that "I" didn't need. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:58:12 -0600 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <GWESTON@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Will, Does the PSS9 adjustment change rebound and damping together or rebound only? Thanks, Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Will Turner [mailto:willt@turnermotorsport.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:55 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:47:53 -0500 From: "Will Turner" <willt@turnermotorsport.com> Subject: Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG This seems like a good time to offer some information on coil overs (if someone else has not beat me to it) The major difference that people notice between street coil overs and non coil over street lowering kits on the E36 (besides the ability to adjust the ride height to exactly where you want it) is : Ride on rough roads, The coil over kits we sell (H&R and Bilstein specifically) are engineered so that when the car is lowered the car will still have close to , if not the same, suspension travel capability. Meaning that a coil over kit will not "bottom out" like a standard sport shock and lowering spring combo can when you hit big bumps. This makes a huge difference when hitting pot holes and the like. Bottoming out makes the "BANG" that you hear when hitting a big bump... So, now for the Sales plug... We are offering E36 Bilstein Coil over kits at 10% of our already low prices this month (while supplies last) E36 325/328 PSS9 (9 way adjustable) $1259 E36 M3 3.0 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 M3 3.2 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 325/328 PSS (non adjustable) $854 The pricing is not advertised on line but if you mention that you are a digest member when you call , we will adjust pricing. -Will ------------------------------------ Turner motorsport Will Turner President willt@turnermotorsport.com 16 Hunt Road South Amesbury, Ma 01913 tel: 978-388-7769 x 11 fax: 978-388-4202 ------------------------------------ ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. E36 Subframe Bushings - from Mark D.
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:08:57 -0400 From: "Mark D." <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: E36 Subframe Bushings Hello guys, If you recall I posted the story about my flat tire and resulting squirminess. Well suprisingly, the longer the car is on the ground since it was jacked up, the better the squirminess problem is becoming. I can now definitively describe the symptom: The car drives straight,normal, true, holds the turns fine, fees normal. Occaisionally however, if I hit a bump the right way, inexplicably the car starts pulling to the right. The steering wheel drops about 1/4 to 1/2" to the left. This almost CERTAINLY seems like a frontend problem to me. Especially since braking helps correct the issue. Due to my recent rear end clunks that I hear and since I have new RSM's I think I have several problems on my hands. 1. RTAB, they should just be replaced, looks like an easy job. 2. Rear subframe bushings. This is what I theorize to be the source of the clunk which is a deeper clunk than the RSM's made. Can anyone comment on whether or not a typical shadetree mechanic should even attempt this? It looks seriously involved. Dropping the diff? Seems like I should have the car on a lift (I have access to one, but getting that access is complicated). 3. Tie rod. Recently my steering has been making a click feeling when going from left to right in steering at a stand still. This seems very odd to me, almost like one of the tie rods or ends is popping slightly left or right. I also have excessive inner wear on the front tires which seems new. So the plan of action is new front tires, inspection and repair of tie rods, etc, then an alignment. When my new RTAB's come in I'll replace those. Anyone have an idea of good ways to find the source of a rear end clunk. It's important to note that this clunk is over bumps and not around turns. And i haven't inspected my new RSMs yet. Maybe they're defective. Does this sound like possible subframe bushings or should I look elsewhere. I really don't want to touch those much after looking at pics of the job ;) Thanks, Mark
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#7. Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings Having just done rear subframe bushings on Wayne's car last weekend, I can say that it's not a job for the timid. Not only was getting out the old ones a PITA (compard to the RTAB ones with the BMW tools), but pressing in the new ones was a major PITA. We ended up doing the old method of using a sawzall and BFHs to get the old ones out. I guess it would have been better install aftermarket bushings (e.g. Powerflex) since those probably don't require pressing them in with nearly as much force. Chester --- "Mark D." <mdlkml@atari-source.com> wrote: > 2. Rear subframe bushings. This is what I theorize to be the source of > the clunk which is a deeper clunk than the RSM's made. Can anyone > comment on whether or not a typical shadetree mechanic should even > attempt this? It looks seriously involved. Dropping the diff? Seems > like I should have the car on a lift (I have access to one, but getting > that access is complicated).
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#8. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings - from Marco
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:37:55 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings I've seen experts crush a rearsubframe trying to install new bushings. It's not hard but if you don't know what you're doing....... Marco -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:25 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings Having just done rear subframe bushings on Wayne's car last weekend, I can say that it's not a job for the timid. Not only was getting out the old ones a PITA (compard to the RTAB ones with the BMW tools), but pressing in the new ones was a major PITA. We ended up doing the old method of using a sawzall and BFHs to get the old ones out. I guess it would have been better install aftermarket bushings (e.g. Powerflex) since those probably don't require pressing them in with nearly as much force. Chester --- "Mark D." <mdlkml@atari-source.com> wrote: > 2. Rear subframe bushings. This is what I theorize to be the source of > the clunk which is a deeper clunk than the RSM's made. Can anyone > comment on whether or not a typical shadetree mechanic should even > attempt this? It looks seriously involved. Dropping the diff? Seems > like I should have the car on a lift (I have access to one, but getting > that access is complicated). ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings - from Mark D.
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:49:07 -0400 From: "Mark D." <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings You guys have pretty effectively answered my question - no way in hell I am doing it ;) But the posting from Eric about the balljoints is very interesting to me. I wouldn't even think the rears would have ball joints as such since that's something that to me is associated with steering. I'll check em out. Thanks, Mark On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:45 -0500, Marco wrote: > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:37:55 -0700 > From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings > > > I've seen experts crush a rearsubframe trying to install new bushings. It's > not hard but if you don't know what you're doing....... > > Marco > -----Original Message----- > From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:25 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Subframe Bushings > > Having just done rear subframe bushings on Wayne's car last weekend, I can > say > that it's not a job for the timid. Not only was getting out the old ones a > PITA (compard to the RTAB ones with the BMW tools), but pressing in the new > ones was a major PITA. We ended up doing the old method of using a sawzall > and > BFHs to get the old ones out. I guess it would have been better install > aftermarket bushings (e.g. Powerflex) since those probably don't require > pressing them in with nearly as much force. > > Chester > > --- "Mark D." <mdlkml@atari-source.com> wrote: > > 2. Rear subframe bushings. This is what I theorize to be the source of > > the clunk which is a deeper clunk than the RSM's made. Can anyone > > comment on whether or not a typical shadetree mechanic should even > > attempt this? It looks seriously involved. Dropping the diff? Seems > > like I should have the car on a lift (I have access to one, but getting > > that access is complicated). > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:00:07 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG That does it for me, I can't resist any longer. I've been putting this off for close to a year now when the list was chattering about these coming out the end of last summer! I am 97K on my 97, so its time. I can't put it off any longer, Doug just took my order and there is not too many left, so hurry guys. It's the silent sale like on Seinfeld (for those of you that have kept up with trivia)! Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 Ghetto Suspension soon to be overhauled -----Original Message----- From: Will Turner [mailto:willt@turnermotorsport.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:55 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:47:53 -0500 From: "Will Turner" <willt@turnermotorsport.com> Subject: Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG This seems like a good time to offer some information on coil overs (if someone else has not beat me to it) The major difference that people notice between street coil overs and non coil over street lowering kits on the E36 (besides the ability to adjust the ride height to exactly where you want it) is : Ride on rough roads, The coil over kits we sell (H&R and Bilstein specifically) are engineered so that when the car is lowered the car will still have close to , if not the same, suspension travel capability. Meaning that a coil over kit will not "bottom out" like a standard sport shock and lowering spring combo can when you hit big bumps. This makes a huge difference when hitting pot holes and the like. Bottoming out makes the "BANG" that you hear when hitting a big bump... So, now for the Sales plug... We are offering E36 Bilstein Coil over kits at 10% of our already low prices this month (while supplies last) E36 325/328 PSS9 (9 way adjustable) $1259 E36 M3 3.0 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 M3 3.2 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 325/328 PSS (non adjustable) $854 The pricing is not advertised on line but if you mention that you are a digest member when you call , we will adjust pricing. -Will ------------------------------------ Turner motorsport Will Turner President willt@turnermotorsport.com 16 Hunt Road South Amesbury, Ma 01913 tel: 978-388-7769 x 11 fax: 978-388-4202 ------------------------------------ ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************