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#1. Re: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:03:38 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs Hi Patrick, Okay, I'm jealous. You young guys have all the money, while all my money goes to a couple of Universities at this point in time ;-)) I suggest we use my car as baseline. Even though I have some suspension mods it's pretty close to street ride since it's a double duty car and I'm still using OEM springs (that's if I don't put the Eibachs on in the mean time). cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by WCC & JT-Designs) Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:25:04 -0500 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:19:04 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG I will certainly provide a list report, but what is a "real user" in your opinion. Is that a track rat, auto-x junkie, aggressive street driver or single malt blend of all three, or some variant mixes of each? My suspension is so toast it will be hard for me to give a base report. I wasn't kidding when I signed "ghetto suspension" earlier. I broke a bottom coil on one of the fronts and cut the other side to match, whalla 1" lowering, (but only up front)...flipped frt strut hats for some aggressive negative camber, and aligned it myself. Amazingly enough I did well auto-xing last time despite some shoddy tires. A passenger on one of runs commented how dead my shocks felt during transitions, although times seemed okay otherwise. Yeah I am excited to have them on their way! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stiles [mailto:stiles_s@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:15 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:11:46 -0700 From: "Scott Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG I've yet to see a real user report of the M3-spec PSS9 system (I asked around quite a bit, before deciding to simply go w/bilstein sports). I'm really looking forward to hearing what you think. Thanks, Scott Stiles '97 M3/2 (bilsteins, rgrs, uuc strutbar. Otherwise stock) -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:05 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:00:07 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG That does it for me, I can't resist any longer. I've been putting this off for close to a year now when the list was chattering about these coming out the end of last summer! I am 97K on my 97, so its time. I can't put it off any longer, Doug just took my order and there is not too many left, so hurry guys. It's the silent sale like on Seinfeld (for those of you that have kept up with trivia)! Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 Ghetto Suspension soon to be overhauled ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:15:40 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs Probably not a bad idea, we can do that. Maybe Paul's car is a good base since his is really stock, (Heck it's virgin new with only 13K miles). Maybe I can help you with your install, you can watch while I get my hands dirty, but you might have to wait till after my vacation. Let me know! Don't be jealous, you have sticky tires, I am still intend to run streets believe it or not :-) ________________________________ From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:04 AM To: Goss, Patrick - PA; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs Hi Patrick, Okay, I'm jealous. You young guys have all the money, while all my money goes to a couple of Universities at this point in time ;-)) I suggest we use my car as baseline. Even though I have some suspension mods it's pretty close to street ride since it's a double duty car and I'm still using OEM springs (that's if I don't put the Eibachs on in the mean time). cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by WCC & JT-Designs) Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:25:04 -0500 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:19:04 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM <mailto:Patrick.Goss%40GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG I will certainly provide a list report, but what is a "real user" in your opinion. Is that a track rat, auto-x junkie, aggressive street driver or single malt blend of all three, or some variant mixes of each? My suspension is so toast it will be hard for me to give a base report. I wasn't kidding when I signed "ghetto suspension" earlier. I broke a bottom coil on one of the fronts and cut the other side to match, whalla 1" lowering, (but only up front)...flipped frt strut hats for some aggressive negative camber, and aligned it myself. Amazingly enough I did well auto-xing last time despite some shoddy tires. A passenger on one of runs commented how dead my shocks felt during transitions, although times seemed okay otherwise. Yeah I am excited to have them on their way! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stiles [mailto:stiles_s@hotmail.com <mailto:stiles_s%40hotmail.com> ] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:15 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:11:46 -0700 From: "Scott Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com <mailto:stiles_s%40hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG I've yet to see a real user report of the M3-spec PSS9 system (I asked around quite a bit, before deciding to simply go w/bilstein sports). I'm really looking forward to hearing what you think. Thanks, Scott Stiles '97 M3/2 (bilsteins, rgrs, uuc strutbar. Otherwise stock) -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM <mailto:Patrick.Goss%40GMACM.COM> ] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:05 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:00:07 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM <mailto:Patrick.Goss%40GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG That does it for me, I can't resist any longer. I've been putting this off for close to a year now when the list was chattering about these coming out the end of last summer! I am 97K on my 97, so its time. I can't put it off any longer, Doug just took my order and there is not too many left, so hurry guys. It's the silent sale like on Seinfeld (for those of you that have kept up with trivia)! Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 Ghetto Suspension soon to be overhauled ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Shock removal - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:49:16 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Shock removal Bob writes: All I can say, is I watched my BMW mechanic do this once on a set of Koni SA's by wrapping a rag high up on the strut shaft and securing with a vise grip while turning the top nut. Not sure that's the best method. I would like to hear from others, too! That sounds acceptable. I've done the same thing with my Bilsteins. The very top of the shaft never slides into the strut body so if it is a little deformed, no problem. However, it will take a very strong squeeze with the Visegrips to touch the shafts - they are made of very hard steel. What you don't want to do is chip the chrome plating on the shaft or it will start to rust. Do they make rubber jawed tools? A rubber cushion would be better than a rag. I may try to use an old mouse pad or something rubber to pad my Visegrips the next time I install struts. Lowell Seaton '95 M3
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG - from Robert Manger
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:06:21 -0400 From: "Robert Manger" <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Is there any data for the springs for the "regular" H&R coilovers for a comparison? I would be interested to see which kit provides the stiffest set-up. rob Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:04:08 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG It comes with 460frt 685r-prog. I supposed you could change them although I doubt it's an option at purchase since it's a kit. These are the rates I researched and test drove on paper however, and I am okay with that for now. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of this e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:15:19 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG H&R 29910 DTM is 345 frt, and 515rear, so yeah the math puts the bilstein kit more rear biased... ________________________________ From: Robert Manger [mailto:Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:06 AM To: Goss, Patrick - PA; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Is there any data for the springs for the "regular" H&R coilovers for a comparison? I would be interested to see which kit provides the stiffest set-up. rob Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:04:08 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG It comes with 460frt 685r-prog. I supposed you could change them although I doubt it's an option at purchase since it's a kit. These are the rates I researched and test drove on paper however, and I am okay with that for now. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of this e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
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#6. Re: Shock removal - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:25:35 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Shock removal on 6/2/06 9:35 AM, "j. helffrich" <girolamous@yahoo.com> wrote: > So how is one supposed to loosen that nut on top of > the strut buried way down in the strut hat without > being able to grip the top of the shaft since it has > the little adjuster tab on it that is about as strong > as a paper clip? The only way I've been able to do it > is with an impact driver and a special 22mm socket > that I bought just for the job. on 6/2/06 9:35 AM, mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > All I can say, is I watched my BMW mechanic do this once on a set of Koni SA's > by wrapping a rag high up on the strut shaft and securing with a vise grip > while turning the top nut. Arrghhh! Sheer butchery! The answer is that you use a 22mm deep pattern 1/2" drive socket with a pair of opposing flats ground at the top. Insert a 6" long 3/8" drive extension down through the centre hole and fix an 11mm socket (for current Konis) on the end to engage the Koni shaft. Hold the 11mm socket stationary with a ratchet handle on the extension, then loosen the main shaft nut with a wrench applied to the 22mm socket flats. If you don't feel like using a bench grinder to put flats on the 22mm deep socket yourself, then buy one ready-made from Victory Product Design, see: <http://victoryproductdesign.com/tools_main.htm>, "Koni Shock Front Strut Socket," seventh item down. You should be able to use the same tool setup with the appropriate allen hex instead of the 11mm socket to loosen or tighten the nut on stock struts. Neil 96 M3
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#7. FS - 1999 E36 M3 - from Crandon Clark, MD
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:32:47 -0500 From: "Crandon Clark, MD" <sandy@crandon.com> Subject: FS - 1999 E36 M3 For Sale: Titanium silver, black leather, 5 speed, 97k, sunroof, premium sound, original owner, garaged, Dealer serviced with all records, no accidents, never tracked. ZKW ellipsoids with Xenon and VDO gauges, otherwise completely stock. $14.5K This was my first BMW and daily driver until my new E46 M3 last May. Since then it's been in the garage except for a few Sundays (less than 400 miles). I'm in west Texas. Sorry about the repost but listees have asked about pictures: http://www.crandon.com/M3/ Feel free to give me feed back about the price as I don't have any recent market data points Sandy Clark email: sandy@crandon.com
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#8. Re: Tach Problem / Good Independent in Raleigh-Durham Area - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:32:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tach Problem / Good Independent in Raleigh-Durham Area > 8. Tach Problem / Good Independent in > Raleigh-Durham Area There are several good independents in that area, all are sponsors of the Tarheel Chapter. I personally know Truett and Peter Krause and they are both wonderful gentlemen and excellent mechanics: Truett Ray - Shade Tree Garage http://www.stgbmwservice.com/ Carr Industries - in Carrboro http://www.carrindustries.com/ Krause & England (919) 781-1871 http://www.krauseandengland.com/ Shane Kleinpeter http://www.justracing.com/homepage/sak335 '96 M3 '94 325i #76 ITS / #335 JP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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#9. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Tach Problem / Good Independent in Raleigh-Durham Area - from Jonathan Evans
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:34:13 -0400 From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Tach Problem / Good Independent in Raleigh-Durham Area Tell your friend to drop me a line. I've taken my '95 a few places in the Triangle area for the past 6 years. The clear winner is Carolina Import Works 919-872-2272 (a SERIOUS racer owns and operates this shop). -Jonathan Evans > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Bjerke [mailto:jbjerke@charter.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:55 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Tach Problem / Good Independent in > Raleigh-Durham Area > snip > Also, he's moving to the Raleigh-Durham area at the end of the month and > would like to get a recommendation on a good independent BMW mechanic. The > actual town he's moving to is Apex, NC (is that cool or what?) > > Thanks- > Jeff Bjerke > 98 Red/Blk Coupe > > > snip
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Shock removal - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Shock removal --- mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > All I can say, is I watched my BMW mechanic do this once on a set of > Koni SA's by wrapping a rag high up on the strut shaft and securing > with a vise grip while turning the top nut. Not sure that's the best > method. I would like to hear from others, too! Reminds me of when I was 16 installing the Neuspeed springs / shocks onto my first gen VW Scirocco. I thought the instructions' recommendation of using spring compressors was "so lame" and "what my dad would say". So as any self-respecting teenager would do, I proceeded to back off the top nut with a wrench in one hand, holding onto the spring hat with the other. A few revolutions, looking down onto the assembly, and SPRIONG! But where was the top nut? And what is that burning feeling coming from my forehead? I kid you not, I had a 19mm hexagonal shaped bruise in my forehead for several days after. That was a fun one to explain... -zs (spring compressors are a cheap/free rental)
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#11. RE: Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:54:17 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG Will - Are these E36M3 specific - i.e. with the sway bar/roll bar tab for proper end link attach on the strut body? Are spacers required with stock 7.5 X 17 wheels? FYI- The full travel you speak of is only available on the front correct? KLBurgess -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:47:53 -0500 From: "Will Turner" <willt@turnermotorsport.com> Subject: Coil Overs VS non Coil overs and SALES PLUG This seems like a good time to offer some information on coil overs (if someone else has not beat me to it) The major difference that people notice between street coil overs and non coil over street lowering kits on the E36 (besides the ability to adjust the ride height to exactly where you want it) is : Ride on rough roads, The coil over kits we sell (H&R and Bilstein specifically) are engineered so that when the car is lowered the car will still have close to , if not the same, suspension travel capability. Meaning that a coil over kit will not "bottom out" like a standard sport shock and lowering spring combo can when you hit big bumps. This makes a huge difference when hitting pot holes and the like. Bottoming out makes the "BANG" that you hear when hitting a big bump... So, now for the Sales plug...We are offering E36 Bilstein Coil over kits at 10% of our already low prices this month (while supplies last) E36 325/328 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1259 E36 M3 3.0 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 M3 3.2 PSS9 (9 way adjustable)$1299 E36 325/328 PSS (non adjustable) $854 The pricing is not advertised on line but if you mention that you are a digest member when you call, we will adjust pricing. - Will ------------------------------------ Turner motorsport - Will Turner - President < willt@turnermotorsport.com > 16 Hunt Road South Amesbury, Ma 01913 tel: 978-388-7769 x 11 fax: 978-388-4202 ------------------------------------