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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Rear Lower Control Arm Bushings - Replacement Tool? - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Rear Lower Control Arm Bushings - Replacement Tool? --- Peter Loron <peterloron@gmail.com> wrote: > there. I'm assuming that's used to adjust something (camber?). Any > tips on > how to mark/retain the original setting so I can try to get things > back > together close enough to drive to an alignment shop? You can use a paint pen or nail polish to mark a spot on the bolt and the LCA to get your camber setting back. However, there isn't enough adjustment possibility there to make a short drive an unsafe one. -zs
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#2. Re: Rear Lower Control Arm Bushings - Replacement Tool? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:22:09 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Rear Lower Control Arm Bushings - Replacement Tool? on 6/7/06 1:54 AM, "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> wrote: > Awesome! Thanks for the info...gotta love the hive mind of the list! 'Hive mind,' I like that. I'd been thinking more prosaically in terms of 'Been there, done that, already screwed it up royally!' > I'll go stock up on threaded rod and some cheap sockets. > > So the next question: > > From the RealOEM diagram I can see that there's an eccentric bolt through > there. I'm assuming that's used to adjust something (camber?). Any tips on > how to mark/retain the original setting so I can try to get things back > together close enough to drive to an alignment shop? Yes, camber. The eccentric bolt has a special washer, part #11 here: <http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG93&mospid=47488&btnr=33_100 4&hg=33&fg=30> that, conveniently, has engraved marks on it for just that purpose. Neil 96 M3
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#3. Coilovers (again) - from Carey Probst
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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:55:41 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Coilovers (again) After the last discussion on coil overs my son has decided he will probably go with coil overs even though he won't be tracking it that often. His logic is 1. Adjustable ride height and full shock travel so he can leave it high for driving around DC where he has destroyed 3 tires in potholes since he got there. 2. He shouldn't need camber plates since camber should be correct at stock height and he will get the additional camber needed if he lowers them for the track. Does that sound reasonable or are we missing something like it is a royal PITA to change the ride height. thanks Carey -- Carey Probst '99M3 daily driver '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:08:13 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) I *believe* that he will require CC plates with C/O struts / springs. He should verify with his friendly dealer but I wouldn't count on skipping that expense. On 6/7/06, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:55:41 -0400 > From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: Coilovers (again) > > After the last discussion on coil overs my son has decided he will > probably go with coil overs even though he won't be tracking it that often. > > His logic is > > 1. Adjustable ride height and full shock travel so he can leave it high > for driving around DC where he has destroyed 3 tires in potholes since > he got there. > > 2. He shouldn't need camber plates since camber should be correct at > stock height and he will get the additional camber needed if he lowers > them for the track. > > Does that sound reasonable or are we missing something like it is a > royal PITA to change the ride height. > > thanks > > Carey > > -- > > > > Carey Probst > > '99M3 daily driver > > '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) - from Gary
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:10:10 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) When you lower it you will change the toe settings front and rear, not just camber... Meaning every time you move it you will need to get an alignment or buy some tools to do it yourself. Not to hard to set it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) > Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:55:41 -0400 > From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: Coilovers (again) > > After the last discussion on coil overs my son has decided he will > probably go with coil overs even though he won't be tracking it that > often. > > His logic is > > 1. Adjustable ride height and full shock travel so he can leave it high > for driving around DC where he has destroyed 3 tires in potholes since he > got there. > > 2. He shouldn't need camber plates since camber should be correct at > stock height and he will get the additional camber needed if he lowers > them for the track. > > Does that sound reasonable or are we missing something like it is a royal > PITA to change the ride height. > > thanks > > Carey > > -- > > > > Carey Probst > > '99M3 daily driver > > '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed > > > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:24:30 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) >Does that sound reasonable or are we missing something like it is a >royal PITA to change the ride height. Took me about 3 tries to get my ride height correct on my E36 and I was methodical about it. Same piece of concrete, I marked the spot with tape, I had a baseline setting from my previous suspension, I marked the adjuster plates to make sure I would rotate them exactly 1 revolution (easy to loose track with how semi awkward it is to adjust them), etc. After that I went in for an alignment and again I put my car back on the same concrete patch and went through and took my own measurements and recorded them in case I decide to change the ride height once more (should keep me out of the alignment shop hopefully). After all that I would say yes they're a PITA. Something like a Praxxis system on the other hand would be kind of cool to have, flip a switch and you have 3 settings with different spring rates and different alignment. As it is I have my track alignment which means more negative camber and toe out on the front tires and my street one which is still fairly aggressive but with zero toe and less negative camber. I would recommend a coilover system that can stand up to daily driving and to the elements. I had to deal with a Sachs coilover one that because it was driven in the winter had all the adjusters corroded to the fine pitch threads on the strut housing and I don't think I've ever sworn so much in my life. I also broke the vise trying to break them loose with a pipe wrench. Talk about PITA. I anti-seized my tckline ones so hopefully I won't have a repeat. -Carlos 98 M3
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:27:32 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) >I *believe* that he will require CC plates with C/O struts / springs. >He should verify with his friendly dealer but I wouldn't count on >skipping that expense. Most of them nowadays have at least one setup that works with the stock strut bearings/hat. I believe GC, tckline, and Bilstein all have these, I had a Sachs one that did also and I bet Tein and all the others do as well. -Carlos.
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#8. pulleys and tensioners? - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:42:24 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: pulleys and tensioners? Hey guys, So I'm at roughly 110k miles now and it's time for a bit of maintenace and a little performance boost :-) I've decided I want to go with some underdrive pulleys. Is there a set everyone recommends, seems either the UUC or Rouge ones? Also, while I'm in there, I figure I should change the tensioners before they seize up, this sound good? Or will they last a bit longer? Anyone have those part numbers, there are 2 of them correct? Anything else to change while in there? I've already done the thermo, water pump, and an aluminum radiator. Thanks! ted
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:05:30 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) A couple things: 1. Changing ride height changes alignment as mentioned. 2. My GC race set up is at almost it's highest setting and my car sits LOW. I can drop the adjusters another 1.5". Not sure what kit you are going with, but if stock ride height is your goal, this may be important. I run a very soft spring setup (375/450) and run the ride height recommended by Dale at GC. Car handles very well on track and rides very well on the street. Perfect compromise suspension for me. 3. Almost everyone I have talked to that has COs gets the height about where they want it, then have it corner balanced, aligned and never touch them again. 4. Changing ride height is easy. Screwing up your handling by messing up rake, weight distribution, etc. is equally easy. :) I was amazed when my car was on scales and the guy was turning my adjuster to watch each scale change by hundreds of pounds with fairly small changes on the adjuster. They did it with a guy about my weight in the driver seat. When he moved the seat back about an inch or two, it shifted 70lb to the rear scales. Proper corner weighting can make quite a big difference. For a street car, maybe not a concern... 5. Those potholes will kill your tires no matter what suspension you have. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Carey Probst [mailto:hcprobst@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:05 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Coilovers (again) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:55:41 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Coilovers (again) After the last discussion on coil overs my son has decided he will probably go with coil overs even though he won't be tracking it that often. His logic is 1. Adjustable ride height and full shock travel so he can leave it high for driving around DC where he has destroyed 3 tires in potholes since he got there. 2. He shouldn't need camber plates since camber should be correct at stock height and he will get the additional camber needed if he lowers them for the track. Does that sound reasonable or are we missing something like it is a royal PITA to change the ride height. thanks Carey -- Carey Probst '99M3 daily driver '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: [E36M3] pulleys and tensioners? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] pulleys and tensioners? On Wed, June 7, 2006 8:44 am, Theodore Serbinski said: > I've decided I want to go with some underdrive pulleys. Is there a > set everyone recommends, seems either the UUC or Rouge ones? Or, go with a list sponsor *Rogue* (sorry :-)). > Also, while I'm in there, I figure I should change the tensioners > before they seize up, this sound good? Or will they last a bit > longer? I'd change 'em while you're in there. If you have my luck, they'll start squealling about a week after you put the pulleys in, requiring you to go BACK in and do almost that same work over again :-) > Anyone have those part numbers, At home. I'm sure you could look 'em up on RealOEM.com, though. > there are 2 of them correct? Correct. > Anything else to change while in there? I've already done the thermo, > water pump, and an aluminum radiator. Thanks! Belts (main & A/C)? Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP