E36M3 #4824

Friday, June 09, 2006 14:45:02

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#1. RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#2. RE: My first wheel to wheel - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#3. NJ CCA Meeting tonight? - from Don Eilenberger
#4. RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel - from Jim Bassett
#5. RE: [e36m3] RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel - from Marco
#6. RE: bump steer....was Coilovers (again) - from Burgess, Kim L
#7. Re: [E36M3] Tire Fitment - Follow Up - from Kent Shephard
#8. clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from marty
#9. Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Walter J
#10. Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Jamie Howton

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#1. RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:37:54 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel Bob, It was Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, AL We did Two 30 minutes of sprints and one 90 minute enduro with three qualifying (1 per day) and add five 30 minutes practices to the mix ;) Pure adrenaline rush, makes open track and lapping days a mundane activity now. How about getting you to get a Time Trial at one of the tracks? A.L. _____ From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:05 PM To: m3_racer99@hotmail.com; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel Hi Ahmad, Wow...that looks like nothing but pure fun! I'd love to have just 7 minutes of that fun, but still happy with my 3 minutes of autocross bliss per weekend. What track was that? cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & JT-Designs) Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion

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#2. RE:  My first wheel to wheel - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:53:55 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: My first wheel to wheel Tom, Steve's car (the purple car in front of me) is probably one of the nicest looking IP car I have seen to date. I think Steve was having major understeer problems that weekend. Yes Steve's car is cammed with all the other goodies I would like DROOL! Here is the link to his site (check out the track preparation list. VERY helpful). http://www.ayersnet.com/ Ahmad -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:48:59 -0400 From: "Tom Melton" <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel Ahmad runs in stock class (I Stock) and he was commenting on a prepared class (I Prepared) car leaving him. Ahmad's car is caged, but not gutted, he is running basically a full interior. The IP car is likely pretty much gutted. The IP car could have cams and other changes, plus is lighter. Should be quicker. -Tom (building an IP car now)

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#3. NJ CCA Meeting tonight? - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:30:35 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@verizon.net> Subject: NJ CCA Meeting tonight? At BMW-NA - anyone going? I'm thinking of attending (a first for me after being in the club for ummm.... many many years..) SWMBO actually expressed some interest in it (I guess since she took over the 5 she now is interested in BMWs.. go figure..) Anyway - Chester? Mo? Dave? Any familiar faces going to be there? Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence BMWs: 2002 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S Join the BMW-Car Club of America: https://www.bmwcca.org/members/am/template.cfm?section=On_Line_Join&template=/bmwcca/custompages/join/joinsection.cfm&ref_id=104316

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#4. RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:07:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel On Fri, June 9, 2006 6:44 am, Ahmad Lutfeali said: > It was Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, AL Looks like a great track. One of these days, when I'm independently wealthy ROTFL! > 90 minute enduro No offense, but I chuckle every time I read about Club Racing "enduros". Come on out to Thunderhill in Dec for the *25 Hours* of Thunderhill. :-) NASA NorCal actually has an Enduro series: http://www.nasaproracing.com/enduro/werc/schedule.html (My first competitive race ever was sharing a ride in a 6-hour enduro.) > Pure adrenaline rush, makes open track and lapping days a mundane activity > now. Ahh, another driver has a sample and becomes an addict - excellent! :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP - has actually been to a track East of the Rockies :-)

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#5. RE: [e36m3] RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel - from Marco
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:29:40 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel yeah! Anything less than 12hours is a sprint race ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:15 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel > 90 minute enduro No offense, but I chuckle every time I read about Club Racing "enduros". Come on out to Thunderhill in Dec for the *25 Hours* of Thunderhill. :-) NASA NorCal actually has an Enduro series: http://www.nasaproracing.com/enduro/werc/schedule.html (My first competitive race ever was sharing a ride in a 6-hour enduro.) > Pure adrenaline rush, makes open track and lapping days a mundane activity > now. Ahh, another driver has a sample and becomes an addict - excellent! :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP - has actually been to a track East of the Rockies :-) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#6. RE: bump steer....was Coilovers (again) - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:32:45 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: bump steer....was Coilovers (again) I cannot imagine how anyone "hung off the front sway bar" but in doing so one would impart a vertical load on the bar that is passed to the end link. The end link is attached to the strut housing via a tab on the strut casing spaced off the strut center line of rotation by a couple of inches. The vertical load applied to the bar translated into a rotational moment of the strut casing causing what appeared as toe (suspension compression induced toe change) but was actually steering of strut housing - that was not a demonstration of 'bump steer' where the arc of the tie rod follows a different arc path than that described by the spindle-tie-rod-attach point causing the tie rod to push or pull the spindle - effectively steering the car as the strut compresses and rebounds under the weight of the vehicle. KLBurgess -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Coilovers (again) That's odd since at one of the times I was having an alignment done, the tech hung off the front sway bar and you could see the toe change. No bump steer? Chester --- "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > E36s do not experience 'bump steer', they don't because when the > suspension is compressed toe does not change. Additionally, when an E36 > is lowered, as long as the rake is constant, toe does not change.

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Tire Fitment - Follow Up - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:44:21 -0700 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Tire Fitment - Follow Up Installed yesterday - 235/40-18. Fit great. No problems at front or rear. A 245/40 might be too tall. A 245/35 will fit. I have enough clearance where the 255 will fit. On the front a 235 is about as wide as I could go without *ANY* mods. The front has no mods, the rear has been rolled. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:18 PM, Kent Shephard wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:14:40 -0700 > From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Tire Fitment > > HI, > > Just an update. > It seems that the 235/40 will work okay. > Right now I have 225/40 and that is waaaayyyy to narrow. > While it worked fine, wider is definitely better in this case. > > It seems that a 245/40 is too tall. > A 245/35 is too rough on my wallet. > I am running ET 38/40ish offset. > I'll have to look at a spare wheel in my garage to confirm. > > Anyway, I'll be ordering the 235/40 tires for all four corners. > > Thanks, > > Kent > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#8. clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from marty
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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:48:53 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube hi, My new clutch, etc are being installed now and i have a question. Do you lube the splines (where the clutch rides) with the little packet of 'spline lube' included in the Sachs clutch kit or something similar (i.e. lube vs. dry)? It seems one would but the mechanic says he never does. I had asked him to lightly lube the spines since presumably that's why the spline lube is included plus I thought I'd seen mention of some sort of issue where someone had to go back in and lube it. I want to make sure I haven't asked him to do something where he knew better to start with (it can easily happen). thanks, marty

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#9. Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Walter J
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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:28 -0400 From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube marty wrote: > > Do you lube the splines (where the clutch rides) with the little > packet of 'spline lube' included in the Sachs clutch kit or something > similar (i.e. lube vs. dry)? Absolutely. If you don't it could cause difficult engagement and/or binding... every time you engage/disengage there is metal on metal movement along the spline. I cannot imagine how many clutch presses there are in 100k miles but I'm betting enough to ruin an input shaft. Put some in the TO bearing where it rides on the shoulder as well... any good hi temp moly grease is fine (wheel bearing grease) if there isn't enough in that little tiny packet they give you.

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#10. Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:36:34 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube > My new clutch, etc are being installed now and i have a question. > > Do you lube the splines (where the clutch rides) with the little packet > of 'spline lube' included in the Sachs clutch kit or something similar > (i.e. lube vs. dry)? I lubed mine with some teflon grease. Both the Bentley manual and TIS say to lube it, I think your mechanic is wrong. -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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