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#1. RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:52:39 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Well, reading the BMW Z3 service manual for my M Roadster (same powertrain), it says: Inspect and clean release bearing lever. Apply a thin coat of grease to release bearing lever contact points. Also, lightly lubricate clutch disc splines and transmission input shaft splines. Horses mouth. Your mechanic is just lazy. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:35 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:32:15 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube thanks guys, It sure looks like a place that could use a bit of grease. I'm with Walter - metal repeatedly sliding to and fro on metal with no lube doesn't seem like the best thing. My mechanic says he doesn't lube 'cause it could fly off and get on the friction surfaces. I'm guessing the appropriate amount and type of grease will stay put. I called BimmerWorld (where i purchased the parts) tech support - the guy told me they don't lube splines but he had to ask someone else ... I figure they should know so I'm a bit confused while still convinced lubrication is good. So, a little smearing of the spline grease on the splines is what mine will get. Chester brings up another point. No grease on the outside of the guide tube where inside of release bearing moves? The inside surface of the release bearing is plastic i believe so it must have some slipperiness by virtue of the material difference? Is it bad if there is some lube there? Asking because there is lube there and wondering if it needs to be removed. thanks again, marty ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006
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#2. RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:03:28 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Sorry, hate responding to my self. I also checked my E39 manual, my E36 (non Z3 manual) and they say the exact same thing. If I could find my E30 manual we'd be set. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:55 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:52:39 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Well, reading the BMW Z3 service manual for my M Roadster (same powertrain), it says: Inspect and clean release bearing lever. Apply a thin coat of grease to release bearing lever contact points. Also, lightly lubricate clutch disc splines and transmission input shaft splines. Horses mouth. Your mechanic is just lazy. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:35 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:32:15 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube thanks guys, It sure looks like a place that could use a bit of grease. I'm with Walter - metal repeatedly sliding to and fro on metal with no lube doesn't seem like the best thing. My mechanic says he doesn't lube 'cause it could fly off and get on the friction surfaces. I'm guessing the appropriate amount and type of grease will stay put. I called BimmerWorld (where i purchased the parts) tech support - the guy told me they don't lube splines but he had to ask someone else ... I figure they should know so I'm a bit confused while still convinced lubrication is good. So, a little smearing of the spline grease on the splines is what mine will get. Chester brings up another point. No grease on the outside of the guide tube where inside of release bearing moves? The inside surface of the release bearing is plastic i believe so it must have some slipperiness by virtue of the material difference? Is it bad if there is some lube there? Asking because there is lube there and wondering if it needs to be removed. thanks again, marty ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006
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#3. RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from aek@pumpkininc.com
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:35:59 -0400 From: "aek@pumpkininc.com" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube I have always put a very thin coat on the splines, tube that the release bearing rides on, and any lever contact points in the bell housing, etc. This on everything from ALFAs to Porsches to BMWs (including the M1). Basically, just enough to form a film where things touch. Never had any problems. --Andrew Original Message: ----------------- From: Paul L Fisher bmw@paul-fisher.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:54:48 -0500 To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:52:39 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Well, reading the BMW Z3 service manual for my M Roadster (same powertrain), it says: Inspect and clean release bearing lever. Apply a thin coat of grease to release bearing lever contact points. Also, lightly lubricate clutch disc splines and transmission input shaft splines. Horses mouth. Your mechanic is just lazy. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:35 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:32:15 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube thanks guys, It sure looks like a place that could use a bit of grease. I'm with Walter - metal repeatedly sliding to and fro on metal with no lube doesn't seem like the best thing. My mechanic says he doesn't lube 'cause it could fly off and get on the friction surfaces. I'm guessing the appropriate amount and type of grease will stay put. I called BimmerWorld (where i purchased the parts) tech support - the guy told me they don't lube splines but he had to ask someone else ... I figure they should know so I'm a bit confused while still convinced lubrication is good. So, a little smearing of the spline grease on the splines is what mine will get. Chester brings up another point. No grease on the outside of the guide tube where inside of release bearing moves? The inside surface of the release bearing is plastic i believe so it must have some slipperiness by virtue of the material difference? Is it bad if there is some lube there? Asking because there is lube there and wondering if it needs to be removed. thanks again, marty ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
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#4. Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Justin Gerry
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Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:22:48 -0400 From: "Justin Gerry" <justin_gerry@warpmail.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube > > The BMW TIS outlines using a small amount of grease (the size of a kernal > of > corn) to be carefully placed. You don't want to use too much since it > will > splatter from the centripetal force and get all over the clutch > disc/pressure > plate/flywheel interface. Just an FYI, this recommendation has not changed with BMW for something like 35 years. A small dab of grease on the splines of the input shaft. Anti-seize is also a great option here, it deals with heat, and when used sparingly goes a long way. Also use some emory paper on the end of the input shaft if there is any corrosion so the pilot bearing does not get stuck should you have to remove the tranny again. -Justin -- '74 tii '76 02 '97 M3 http://www.bmw2002.net
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#5. clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:33:58 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube > > From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube > > marty wrote: > > > > > Do you lube the splines (where the clutch rides) with the little > > packet of 'spline lube' included in the Sachs clutch kit or something > > similar (i.e. lube vs. dry)? I simply cleaned up the splines well (using a scotchbrite pad and some brake clean). Some suggest lapping the clutch to the splines. Primarily, you just want to make sure there are no burrs or nicks on the shaft and if there are, you need to address them so the clutch moves freely on the shaft. Lubricating the splines primarily aids installation of the input shaft into the crankshaft output but also provides a place for dust to collect. The clutch disc barely moves on the shaft in actual use. You lubricate pivot point (for the throw-out fork) and the other end of the throw-out fork where the slave cylinder touches as well as the two points where the throw-out bearing rides on the fork. The TIS and BMW specifically do not recommend lubing the guide sleeve which where the TO bearing rides. Don't do what Pelican Parts did in this picture: http://www.pelicanparts.com/bmw/techarticles/E36-Clutch_Replace/pica4.JPG That would be incorrect. Regards, Rich
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#6. Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube - from Walter J
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:58:01 -0400 From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] clutch shaft splines - to lube or not lube The instructions that came in the box with my Sachs kit for my E30 (by virtue of having installed it on THU this is fresh in my mind ;) ) say to lube the splines, the inside of the plastic collar and the contact points on the TO with the supplied packet. Now... as for BMW reccos... the orig clutch came out (after 205k) with grease on the splines... The Bentley says to use MicoLube 206 on the splines (a moly grease). So I'm sticking to my guns... common sense says to just be sparing with the application and keep it inside the sleeves so the rotational force doesn't spray it on the disk. -- Walter
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#7. FS: Track Pads brand new (PF and Pagid) - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:44:38 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: FS: Track Pads brand new (PF and Pagid) I have 3 sets (meaning front and rear complete) of "Brand New" track pads for an E36 M3 which I would like to get rid of. One (front and rear) Pagid Yellows shipped $210. Two (meaning 2 fronts and 2 rear) Performance Friction 93 (non slotted) $210 for each complete set shipped. Ahmad
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#8. FS: E36 M3 Bilstein front and rear with new RSM - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:48:16 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: FS: E36 M3 Bilstein front and rear with new RSM I have a set of front and rear Bilstien shocks for an E36 M3. They have about 20K miles on them. Purchased used (with new RSMs) from another member for my g/f's M3 but later went with the stock replacement shocks. $375 shipped (via Fedex Ground). Ahmad
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#9. RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel - from twisty M3
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:17:34 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] My first wheel to wheel <<No offense, but I chuckle every time I read about Club Racing "enduros". Come on out to Thunderhill in Dec for the *25 Hours* of Thunderhill.>> hehehe! I've always thought it was funny that a 90-min race could even be called an "enduro." That's not even a single stint! :P Jonathan L.
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#10. NJ CCA Meeting tonight? - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:13:28 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: NJ CCA Meeting tonight? Don, Hello, hope all is well. Sorry I was on the road for work until late Friday night.. How was the meeting? anything interesting? Regards, Mo -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:30:35 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@verizon.net> Subject: NJ CCA Meeting tonight? At BMW-NA - anyone going? I'm thinking of attending (a first for me after being in the club for ummm.... many many years..) SWMBO actually expressed some interest in it (I guess since she took over the 5 she now is interested in BMWs.. go figure..) Anyway - Chester? Mo? Dave? Any familiar faces going to be there? Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence BMWs: 2002 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S Join the BMW-Car Club of America: https://www.bmwcca.org/members/am/template.cfm?section=On_Line_Join&template =/bmwcca/custompages/join/joinsection.cfm&ref_id=104316
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#11. Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Auxiliary Radiator Fan Listers, The car overheated for the second time in a couple weeks and led me to take a peek around to see what's going on. Both times were in bumper-to-bumper traffic with the AC turned on, on hot days (above 90 F). The first time, this manifested itself in the expansion tank cracking. This time, Friday evening, I turned off the AC and cranked up the heat and managed to get the car back to the center of the dial. I ran it with no AC all day Saturday and it ran normally, which would have been fine except it was 90 degrees and my car is black with a black interior. Needless to say, this isn't acceptable. A quick look around shows that the Aux fan is not coming on, leading the AC to work only when moving at a decent clip and the car to run hot in standstill traffic. I pulled the undertray today and tried to put 12 volts to the fan directly, but was unable to get it to move. The fan blades turn freely so the motor isn't seized, but the #41 fuse was blown. I haven't seen too much chatter about this so I was wondering if this was a common failure. Also wondering what I should expect to pay for a new fan, and if there is anything else I should check into while I'm dealing with this. I did notice in looking at the wiring diagram that these are on relays, and not sure if there are any identical ones I can switch out to check their operation. Thanks, Shane Kleinpeter http://www.justracing.com/homepage/sak335 '96 M3 '94 325i #76 ITS / #335 JP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com