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#1. Re: [E36M3] Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from Mel Silva
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:31:54 -0500 From: Mel Silva <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Auxiliary Radiator Fan Shane, This happened to me last summer, I started thinking about how I didn't have the time or money for a new Aux fan right now and ran the heater, in the summer, in commute traffic, on I10, in Houston! I thought I was going to die... Cheap fix, just blew the fuse. Check the fuse before digging into it. Of course, getting into root-cause analysis, the fuse blew because my primary fan clutch had gone out and the Aux fan was doing all the work, but it saved me from having to take the bus, or worse, the wife's car, until the weekend when I could procure parts and do the job properly. YMMV, Mel Shane Kleinpeter wrote: > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> > Subject: Auxiliary Radiator Fan > > Listers, > > The car overheated for the second time in a couple > weeks and led me to take a peek around to see what's > going on. Both times were in bumper-to-bumper traffic > ...<snip> >
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#2. Anyone got an M3 sedan for sale? - from docwyte@comcast.net
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:34:57 +0000 From: docwyte@comcast.net Subject: Anyone got an M3 sedan for sale? Looking for one with a 5 speed manual tranny. Gotta have the fold down rear seat. Don't care if it's stock or modded. Don't really care about the color with the exception that I definately do not want a yellow one and would prefer to stay away from red. -josh
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#3. Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from Justin Gerry
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:38:31 -0400 From: "Justin Gerry" <justin_gerry@warpmail.net> Subject: Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan >>> A quick look around shows that the Aux fan is not coming on, leading the AC to work only when moving at a decent clip and the car to run hot in standstill traffic. <<<< The factory aux fan is a POS in IMHO. That open bearing design leads to the fan seizing up. In your case it does sound like something different but it seems that the fan has failed or at least the low speed circuit. I mounted an aftermarket flex-a-lite sealed motor fan in the factory housing and built a low speed (for use with AC) circuit. It pushes more air than the factory fan and is a tad louder (who cares) when its on. I think the whole setup was just over $100 when I was done including aluminum that I made a mount plate from, and the heavy duty resistors. Factory aux fans were over $250 last time I checked. -Justin -- '74 tii '76 02 '97 m3 http://www.bmw2002.net
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Anyone got an M3 sedan for sale? - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:55:46 -0700 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Anyone got an M3 sedan for sale? OK, Josh. Whatcha up too? Jay > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:34:57 +0000 > From: docwyte@comcast.net > Subject: Anyone got an M3 sedan for sale? > > Looking for one with a 5 speed manual tranny. Gotta have the fold down > rear seat. Don't care if it's stock or modded. Don't really care about > the color with the exception that I definately do not want a yellow one > and would prefer to stay away from red. > > -josh
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from Doug Young
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:11:57 -0600 From: Doug Young <doug.young@nsidc.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan Justin, I'd like to hear more details about the aftermarket fan you installed. Part numbers if you have them or your source, how did you connect to the electrical system, is it connected to a switch or a thermostat? When I installed the underdrive pulleys I also removed the clutch fan and would like an improvement over the auxiliary fan. Does anyone else have suggestions about electric auxiliary fans? Doug '95 M3 Justin Gerry wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:38:31 -0400 > From: "Justin Gerry" <justin_gerry@warpmail.net> > Subject: Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan > > > A quick look around shows that the Aux fan is not > coming on, leading the AC to work only when moving at > a decent clip and the car to run hot in standstill > traffic. > <<<< > > The factory aux fan is a POS in IMHO. That open bearing design leads to > the fan seizing up. In your case it does sound like something different > but it seems that the fan has failed or at least the low speed circuit. > > I mounted an aftermarket flex-a-lite sealed motor fan in the factory > housing and built a low speed (for use with AC) circuit. It pushes more > air than the factory fan and is a tad louder (who cares) when its on. I > think the whole setup was just over $100 when I was done including > aluminum that I made a mount plate from, and the heavy duty resistors. > Factory aux fans were over $250 last time I checked. > > -Justin > -- > '74 tii > '76 02 > '97 m3 > http://www.bmw2002.net > > > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from m.feldpusch@comcast.net
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:20:35 +0000 From: m.feldpusch@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan Hey Doug >electrical system, is it connected to a switch I know David Fauth has a switch on the inside of the car to turn on the fan manually. Speak with Art Kathe for he did Fauth's fan work. Michael -------------- Original message -------------- From: Doug Young <doug.young@nsidc.org> > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:11:57 -0600 > From: Doug Young > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan > > Justin, > > I'd like to hear more details about the aftermarket fan you installed. > Part numbers if you have them or your source, how did you connect to the > electrical system, is it connected to a switch or a thermostat? > > When I installed the underdrive pulleys I also removed the clutch fan > and would like an improvement over the auxiliary fan. > > Does anyone else have suggestions about electric auxiliary fans? > > Doug > '95 M3 > > Justin Gerry wrote: > > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:38:31 -0400 > > From: "Justin Gerry" > > Subject: Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan > > > > > > A quick look around shows that the Aux fan is not > > coming on, leading the AC to work only when moving at > > a decent clip and the car to run hot in standstill > > traffic. > > <<<< > > > > The factory aux fan is a POS in IMHO. That open bearing design leads to > > the fan seizing up. In your case it does sound like something different > > but it seems that the fan has failed or at least the low speed circuit. > > > > I mounted an aftermarket flex-a-lite sealed motor fan in the factory > > housing and built a low speed (for use with AC) circuit. It pushes more > > air than the factory fan and is a tad louder (who cares) when its on. I > > think the whole setup was just over $100 when I was done including > > aluminum that I made a mount plate from, and the heavy duty resistors. > > Factory aux fans were over $250 last time I checked. > > > > -Justin > > -- > > '74 tii > > '76 02 > > '97 m3 > > http://www.bmw2002.net > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:27:39 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan Justin wrote: >I mounted an aftermarket flex-a-lite sealed motor fan in the factory >housing and built a low speed (for use with AC) circuit. It pushes more >air than the factory fan and is a tad louder (who cares) when its on. I >think the whole setup was just over $100 when I was done including >aluminum that I made a mount plate from, and the heavy duty resistors. >Factory aux fans were over $250 last time I checked. I wonder if a 16" Spal fan (puller) can handle the a/c system on these cars. I'm about to install the Zionsville add on kit to my radiator (the Zionsville rad of course) which includes a 16" Spal puller fan. So far I've been running with only the stock aux fan and no clutch/engine driven fan and no problems but I figured I'd add another one just in case. I wired one up recently for a friend's track car and although time consuming it was fairly straight forward using the relay kit from Spal. BW also sells a 16" Spal fan which would be a cheaper alternative to what I'm going to install. -Carlos. 98 M3
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:50:22 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan > I wonder if a 16" Spal fan (puller) can handle the a/c system on these > cars. My guess is that it can. I have the Zionsville radiator with Spal puller fan in my M3 and that sucker feels powerfull enough pull the car down the road by itself... In "stock" configuration the Spal fan is turned on and off by the coolant temp switch on the radiator. For use with the A/C you would want it to be turned on and off by the A/C system. I would guess that you would want it running all of the time when the A/C is on and then have it revert to thermostatic control when the A/C is off. The only other thing I can think of that might be an issue is the noise, the Spal fan is very loud and can clearly be heard from inside the cabin. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:54:54 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Auxiliary Radiator Fan >I know David Fauth has a switch on the inside of the car to turn on the fan manually. Speak with Art Kathe for he did Fauth's fan work. I did this as well on my friend's car. Basically I used the relay kit that came from Spal (~$30) but if you're real cheap like sometimes I am <g> you can make your own and even use a BMW relay if you wish. If you buy the kit with the thermostat I'm sure with adapters you could replace the factory switch on the radiator then forget about the factory wiring. What I did is wired up a switch to control the Spal relay and that way my friend can use it only when he needs it like waiting in line on the paddock or grid. I mounted the relay near the DME plastic cover, actually I mounted it to the cover, got the idea from Tom P. who mounted his headlight relays there on his enduro racer E36, hi Tom! You can run the +12V wire from the relay right there to the battery distribution block, if you take the front cover off you'll see a few places to mount it to. I drilled a hole on the cover so the wire installation was neater looking. Fed the ignition power wire and the sender wire into the cabin using the factory grommet where the battery cable runs through and you can tap to switched ignition on one of the radio's wires (violet/grey). The sender wire actually goes to the switch and the other post on the switch goes to ground, there's a good grounding point under the dash (easier on this car since the airbag was removed). After that you just run the power wire from the relay to the fan and ground the fan. It's straight forward but time consuming for me running all the wires and making them all neat inside a wire loom and crap. :-) -Carlos 98 M3
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#10. Bimmerworld contact info? - from Peter Loron
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:17:41 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Bimmerworld contact info? Anybody have an alternate contact number for Bimmerworld? The 877 number listed on the website was busy earlier this morning and now I get: "the number you have called is disconnected or no longer in service" phone company message. Eek. Hopefully this is just a temporary phone glitch and not an indicator of the state of the company...? Thanks. Pete 98 M3/4