E36M3 #4834

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 13:47:46

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#1. 150K service - from Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)
#2. Re: [E36M3] AC-Associated Power Loss - from Shane Kleinpeter
#3. AC-Associated Power Loss - from Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)
#4. Thermostat just a titch to the right - from Gus Iverson
#5. RE: [E36M3] Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) - from Gerry Low
#6. Re: G-Tech Pro RR info - from Kirk Lachman
#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: G-Tech Pro RR info - from Chester Wong
#8. RE: DEAL! Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#9. RE:[E36M3] Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#10. RE: [E36M3] Water pump Question - from Goss, Patrick - PA
#11. Re: [E36M3] 150K service - from Rich Dorffer

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#1. 150K service - from Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:27:11 -0400 From: "Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)" <alexander.avedis@baesystems.com> Subject: 150K service Robert, At that mileage you might want to consider going for the works as far as the clutch is concerned. This includes a new pressure plate, throw out bearing, pilot bearing, etc. I would also go for front transmission seal and rear engine main seal at that mileage. I too have the same issue of having to floor the clutch pedal for enough disengagement to shift gears. It got remarkably better once the clutch stop was removed and the factory one reinstalled. But every so often it lets me know I forgot to floor it when changing gears. I only have 86k on my 98M3/4 so I am hoping to get more mileage out of it before tearing it down. Of course, YMMV. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. Alex NJ Chapter ======================================================================== ==================== Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:30:50 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde - 99e36m3" <99e36m3@Exconde.com> Subject: 150K service Hi, I'm going to have a shop fix the common shifting detent issue on my M sometime hopefully this week or next. I wanted to find out at 150K, is there anything else that I should think about changing while they are down there? My clutch still feels strong but I'm still encountering odd engagement points; meaning I have to push the clutch ALL the way in before it disengages ... I mean ALL they way with out the clutch stop or anything in order for it to disengage, so I don't know if this is a clutch issue that should be addressed at the same time as the detent issue. I'm going to have them change the suspension, belt, coolant and weld the oil pump nut as well. Robert 99E36M3@150K Thanks. Alex x-2439

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#2. Re: [E36M3] AC-Associated Power Loss - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] AC-Associated Power Loss Hmmm. I replaced the battery pre-emptively with an Interstate MTP-91 (I think that's it) at the time it happened since the 9 year old original was in there, alternator is a new Bosch too. I get a steady 13.5 volts on my VDO meter, though I can't look quickly enough when the blips happen to see if the gauge dips. I had the battery load tested 9 months later since I was convinced it was still a problem, but it passed the test. I even swapped batteries with the one in the race car...no dice. Mel, I'm beginning to think our cars rolled off the assembly line together, we seem to have the same issues. Shane > I replaced the battery in the car (the one that was > in it was both old and undersized). The thought > process here being that when the car needs more > power (like when first engaging the compressor), it > requires more spark and the battery acts as a big > capacitor, compensating for the increase in demand. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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#3. AC-Associated Power Loss - from Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:32:08 -0400 From: "Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)" <alexander.avedis@baesystems.com> Subject: AC-Associated Power Loss Shane, Do you experience these symptoms only when your foot is off the gas pedal or put another way, have you ever experienced these symptoms while your foot was on the accelerator pedal? I have similar symptoms on occasion and only when my foot is NOT on the gas pedal which leads me to believe it is tied to the Idle Control Valve. Alex 98 M3/4 86k NJ Chapter ======================================================================== ================ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: AC-Associated Power Loss It's summer again, and my AC issues from last year have reared their ugly head once again. I had this problem last year and thought I had it kicked, but apparently I was wrong. Bear with me. When running AC (and only when running AC), , mostly around town, the car will sometimes suffer what appears to be a "power loss" on the circuit that contains the AC, the radio, and a couple other dash functions. Basically, the car will nearly die, the radio will turn off, the lights on the HVAC, Computer, etc. will die, and then everything will come back on. Also, the headlights will dim if they are on. This power blip will last about a second. From what I can tell, this happens when the AC compressor kicks in. I focused pretty hard on it last night and this almost always happens when sitting at a light, but every so often it will happen when driving. The revs drop and then the power goes, then comes back up as the computer pushes the revs up. The engine never dies. My initial thought was that maybe there is supposed to be a switch that increases revs when the AC is on, like other cars I have owned in the past, and that maybe that switch is not working. The car idles at about 600 rpm with the AC on and drops to 500 when the compressor comes on. Anybody else experience this or am I the only lucky one? I'll admit that electrics are not my strong suit and I'm at a loss for how to diagnose this. But I'm also a stubborn SOB and hate to have to bring the car in to an actual mechanic. Any ideas? Shane Kleinpeter http://www.justracing.com/homepage/sak335 '96 M3 '94 325i #76 ITS / #335 JP

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#4. Thermostat just a titch to the right - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:39:56 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Thermostat just a titch to the right This is new, it's reading 1-2mm to the right of dead center which I *believe* is a change. I checked the fluid level and all seems fine but IIRC I should be concerned about something. Car has 70k on it with the OEM cooling bits. Thoughts?

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#5. RE: [E36M3] Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) - from Gerry Low
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:44:28 -0400 From: "Gerry Low" <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) Rich, The 245/40/17 is available in Canada and more than likely in the US. Call Hankook in New Jersey at 1 800 HANKOOK or 973 633-9000. I suspect the website is dated. Gerry From: rdorffer@gmail.com [mailto:rdorffer@gmail.com]On Behalf Of Rich Dorffer Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 AM Have you looked at the sizes available for the Z214? http://www.hankooktireusa.com/pdf/uploads/Z214.pdf Pretty weak selection for most E36 M3s. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006

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#6. Re: G-Tech Pro RR info - from Kirk Lachman
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:55:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Kirk Lachman <admranger@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: G-Tech Pro RR info I have the G-Tech Pro Road Race version and it is pretty trick. I have not be able to fully exploit the data logging info due to my ineptitude and lack of studying how to understand what it is telling me. I have been able to use the data to get g-values for braking and cornering so I know when I've made a change that's decreased my max g's, but still need to figure out how to understand what it is trying to tell me when I overlay two laps on each other to figure out where more time is. For me it has been hard to figure out where on the track I am sometimes (you can do it, but you have to think about it for a while). My limited patience/desire for instant information (be happy you don't work for me!) may lead me to buy a more complete data analysis system in the future. GPS and automatic timing of laps would be a big plus (but at a consumate $$$ increase). I've never done a hp run or 1/4 run so I don't know how accurate they are (doesn't matter to me as the car hasn't been dyno'd...). Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: G-Tech Pro RR info - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: G-Tech Pro RR info Check out what one guy did with a DL-1 logger, video camera and some software... http://www.phantomexige.com/ --- Kirk Lachman <admranger@earthlink.net> wrote: > My limited patience/desire for instant information (be happy you don't work > for me!) may lead me to buy a more complete data analysis system in the > future. GPS and automatic timing of laps would be a big plus (but at a > consumate $$$ increase). > > I've never done a hp run or 1/4 run so I don't know how accurate they are > (doesn't matter to me as the car hasn't been dyno'd...).

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#8. RE: DEAL! Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:02:06 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: DEAL! Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) Kim, Thanks for the correction. The 235s are 6/32 and the 245s are close to 7/32. They are rounded off. I was told to deduct 1/32 from what the specs say. Ahmad -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:55 PM To: E36M3 Cc: m3_racer99@hotmail.com Subject: RE: DEAL! Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) Perhaps you mis-read the spec - the 235/40 is listed @ 7/32; the 245/40 is listed @ 8/32 thickness, according to the link you provided. 235/40ZR17W Z211 8.0-9.5 8.5 24.3 9.4 8.8 7/32" 855 245/40ZR17W Z211 8.5-10.0 9.0 24.6 10.0 9.1 8/32" 844 -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:37:24 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: DEAL! Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) Gerry/Group, I was able to get a SOLID deal on the Hankook 245/40/17s Z211s. List: $191, negotiated down to $150 a pop; $600 for the set. These are the medium compound and even though they are listed as 7/32nd, they are essentially a 6/32 tire. Its the same compound USTCC are currently using. Tell Joe that Ahmad sent ya. Goodluck and enjoy ;) A.L. http://www.hankooktireusa.com/products_view_info.asp?Item_ID=72&CatID=3 The Tire Shoppe.com < www.thetireshoppe.com > - 91 Ben Franklin Hwy, West Birdsboro, PA 19508 Contact: Joe Specht(866) 208-6551 - esales@thetireshoppe.com

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#9. RE:[E36M3] Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:06:21 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE:[E36M3] Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) Rich, They will be updating the website. They do have the 245/40 Z214s in stock. Just not on the spec page. I'd try calling the tireshoppe.com directly. A.L. -------------------- 6 -------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:37:16 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Hankook Z211 (245/40/17) > > From: Gerry Low [mailto:gerry@parallel-mkt.com] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:33 AM > > Ahmad, > The Z214 is a better Z211 according to my guy at Hankook. Maybe the > dealers > in your area can get it. Gerry, Have you looked at the sizes available for the Z214? http://www.hankooktireusa.com/pdf/uploads/Z214.pdf Pretty weak selection for most E36 M3s. Regards, Rich

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Water pump Question - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:45:12 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Water pump Question I'd love to hear about this too, as I am pondering the same pump for different reasons. I am still on the original pump...having the sexy spot welded one with 97K on it so far. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Teel [mailto:mteel@beluga.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:37 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Water pump Question Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:26:20 -0800 From: Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: Water pump Question My water pump went out this past weekend, so I am going to tackle the complete cooling system. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with BMW High Performance Water Pump by Stewart Components. Turner offers it: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=STE30330 And Bimmerworld too: http://www.bimmerworld.com/html/stewart-components-performance-bmw-water -pum p---e36e46.htm My car is street only. I am planning on doing the fan delete and under drive pulleys while I'm at it. Any thoughts? Regards, Matthew 98 M3/4 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#11. Re: [E36M3] 150K service - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:46:50 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 150K service Not only will the clutch disk wear (resulting in longer throw like Chester describes), but the pivot point for the release fork will wear resulting in a longer throw. I would replace the pivot point along with a clutch kit and an appropriate bleed of the slave cylinder. Regards, Rich

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