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#1. Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:08:30 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? I think the OBDII 3.2L has only one sender and the 95 OBDI 3.0L has two senders. KLBurgess 99M3/2 -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:20:42 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? I used to think the gauge was driven by the ecu, but I no longer think so since I run a tec3 and the gauge still works. If there is any damping done to the signal I think it's done in the cluster it self. There are two separate temp senders used with different outputs, one goes to the ECU and the other right to the instrument cluster if you read the wiring diagrams in the bentley. Marco
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: RSM Serious Problem - from Mark D
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:04:07 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: RSM Serious Problem Paul, Precision Coachworks I believe is the name of the place. It's a big bodyshop behind Marjeanne's catering which is right near the newly remodeled shopping center on south broad street. Thanks, Mark On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 09:40 -0400, Paul Andrews wrote: > Mark, > Where are having this done? I'm in Lansdale, too. > > -Paul Andrews > 98 M3/4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark D [mailto:mdlkml@atari-source.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:27 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RSM Serious Problem > > > > I got the highly recommended ground control RSM's on 2 day delivery. > Might have my M3 back by the weekend for the beach. $752 for both sides > here in Lansdale, PA > > Thanks, > Mark > >
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#3. pictures of rear shock repair - from James
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:25:35 -0700 From: James <rx3sp@lanset.com> Subject: pictures of rear shock repair These aren't the best pics, but a welder with average experience can fix this. The easiest way is to skip-stitch all the broken bits together, above and below. http://tinyurl.com/mmxch Then gring everything smooth and weld on top the z3 reinforcement 51 71 8 413 359. Then alternate skip weld the prephery of the Z3 plate, paint with Krylon True Blue paint, and you're done. http://tinyurl.com/s2oxj -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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#4. Charlotte NC - from tim ng
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:29:15 -0400 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: Charlotte NC Hey guys/gals, I will be in north Charlotte this weekend, any of you guys up there wanta meet up for dinner or something. email me back. Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 95 BUZZNM3 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. car ------------------ CAR FOR SALE 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures
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#5. RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? - from Marco
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:35:43 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? OBD II has one sender but 4 pins, the output is split into two different signals and feeds the ecu and cluster just like the 2 OBD I senders. I have graphs of the output from the 2 obd I and the OBD II senders to confirm they operate they same. If anyone wants them I can look for the file... I now use the OBD II sender in my OBD I head and use the vacant OBD I sender for an VDO sender to drive my VDO gauge. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:09 AM To: E36M3 Cc: m3driver@iname.com Subject: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? I think the OBDII 3.2L has only one sender and the 95 OBDI 3.0L has two senders. KLBurgess 99M3/2 -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:20:42 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? I used to think the gauge was driven by the ecu, but I no longer think so since I run a tec3 and the gauge still works. If there is any damping done to the signal I think it's done in the cluster it self. There are two separate temp senders used with different outputs, one goes to the ECU and the other right to the instrument cluster if you read the wiring diagrams in the bentley. Marco
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? - from Peter Loron
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:58:18 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? Interesting. Does your data indicate where the dampening effect occurs? Sender or gauge? -Pete On 6/30/06, Marco <m3driver@iname.com> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:35:43 -0700 > From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? > > OBD II has one sender but 4 pins, the output is split into two different > signals and feeds the ecu and cluster just like the 2 OBD I senders. > > I have graphs of the output from the 2 obd I and the OBD II senders to > confirm they operate they same. If anyone wants them I can look for the > file... > > I now use the OBD II sender in my OBD I head and use the vacant OBD I > sender > for an VDO sender to drive my VDO gauge. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:09 AM > To: E36M3 > Cc: m3driver@iname.com > Subject: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? > > > I think the OBDII 3.2L has only one sender and the 95 OBDI 3.0L has two > senders. > > KLBurgess > 99M3/2 > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:20:42 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? > > I used to think the gauge was driven by the ecu, but I no longer think > so since I run a tec3 and the gauge still works. If there is any > damping done to the signal I think it's done in the cluster it self. > There are two separate temp senders used with different outputs, one > goes to the ECU and the other right to the instrument cluster if you > read the wiring diagrams in the bentley. Marco > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#7. Coilover installation - from Carey Probst
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:42:14 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Coilover installation Are there any instructions for installing coilovers around. Just got a set of Billsteins but no installation details, just torque info in German. thanks Carey -- Carey Probst '99M3 daily driver '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Coilover installation - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coilover installation On Fri, June 30, 2006 1:46 pm, Carey Probst said: > Are there any instructions for installing coilovers around. Having R&R'd the race car's suspension with no instructions (and never having done ANY fronts ever), I can honestly say it's pretty damn simple :-) Did it with the car in it's usual resting place, on the street in front of my house. In December. Uphill both ways (oh, wait, wrong story :-)) 3 nuts holding the strut to the strut tower, 3 bolts plus a bolt/nut combo holding the strut to the hub. Done :-) Use a jack to support/hold the hub. I used new bolts for the strut/hub connection - you can reuse (maybe), but be sure to use red Loctite. New bolts have it already applied. IIRC, I was even able to remove the front struts without removing the brake assembly. We don't need to discuss the rears, do we? :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 35is #44 JP
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#9. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? - from Marco
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:17:05 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? my SWAG is the cluster. Marco ps you should have seen the look on my wife's face when I was doing this "experiment" in our kitchen. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Loron [mailto:peterloron@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:07 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:58:18 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? Interesting. Does your data indicate where the dampening effect occurs? Sender or gauge? -Pete On 6/30/06, Marco <m3driver@iname.com> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:35:43 -0700 > From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? > > OBD II has one sender but 4 pins, the output is split into two different > signals and feeds the ecu and cluster just like the 2 OBD I senders. > > I have graphs of the output from the 2 obd I and the OBD II senders to > confirm they operate they same. If anyone wants them I can look for the > file... > > I now use the OBD II sender in my OBD I head and use the vacant OBD I > sender > for an VDO sender to drive my VDO gauge. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:09 AM > To: E36M3 > Cc: m3driver@iname.com > Subject: [navy] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? > > > I think the OBDII 3.2L has only one sender and the 95 OBDI 3.0L has two > senders. > > KLBurgess > 99M3/2 > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:20:42 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Factory temp gauge sender replacement? > > I used to think the gauge was driven by the ecu, but I no longer think > so since I run a tec3 and the gauge still works. If there is any > damping done to the signal I think it's done in the cluster it self. > There are two separate temp senders used with different outputs, one > goes to the ECU and the other right to the instrument cluster if you > read the wiring diagrams in the bentley. Marco > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. E36 Trans Ist Kaput - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:54:16 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: E36 Trans Ist Kaput Since I've been too lazy (actually too busy playing with my new car) lately, a couple of weeks ago I paid my local dealer to figure out where the minor oil seepage was coming from between my M3 engine and transmission. They diagnosed and replaced the transmission input shaft seal to the tune of $1,188. I picked the car up last Saturday and trailered it home only to find a small puddle of Royal Purple under the car in the trailer. I thought OK, maybe they just didn't clean the inside of the flywheel housing before they put the tranny back in and whatever was in there dripped out - I changed the trans fluid. The only thing I had on the shelf was some Redline MTF-80 so I used that. Cleaned everything up with brake cleaner and let it idle, in first gear on jackstands for a while. Drip, drip, drip - much worse than it was before I took it in. I called the Service Advisor, he said No Problem we'll take care of it; they sent a flatbed to pick the car up on Monday. I reminded them that I had a track day today and needed the car back yesterday. No problem they said. On Tuesday I got a call saying that the seal was replaced again and it was still leaking. They now thought that the transmission fluid is too thin for the application. I said, well, it's 80W MTF and is more viscous than the ATF that BMW uses but if it makes you feel better you can go ahead and fill it up with the BMW stuff. Wednesday I get a call saying that it sat overnight without leaking and the mechanic put about 20 miles on the car and it isn't leaking. I was a bit skeptical but said OK and went to pick the car up. It was bone dry on the outside so I loaded it up onto the trailer and brought it home, checked it again when I got it home and it was still dry so I locked the trailer and went to bed. This morning before leaving for the track I checked it one more time and sure as $hit there was a small puddle of fluid under the car so instead of going to the track I went to the dealer and waited for them to open. I watched the mechanic pull the trans, it took him 30 minutes total (WTF, where did the 8 hours of labor come from I thought to myself)! It was leaking from the center of the seal and as he grabbed the input shaft it moved within the housing about 1/8th of an inch. After a brief conference with the Service Manager and two other techs (and an examination of another Manual trans they had in stock) it was determined that there should be no lateral movement of the input shaft and that the transmission has indeed perished -- met its maker so to speak. The trans showed no syptoms of this failure at all. It shifted smoothly and didn't make any unusual noises, it just leaked a very small amount. It does have 108K miles on it and many of those are track miles so it isn't terribly suprising but I would have expected some sort of symptoms besides the fluid seepage. My Pilot bearing is still good, I replaced that three years ago when I installed the LWT flywheel and it still seems to rotate freely without any discernable lateral play. The bottom line is $1,900 for a rebuilt transmission and no charge for installation, and no track day for me today because Badger Bimmers does not allow Roadsters at their track days. I went there anyway in my Roadster just to hang out and take pictures. All in all, the dealership have been superb in their customer service (except for not fixing the actual problem the first time). I was only charged once, I wasn't charged for the tow, the trans fluid or the extra parts and I am told I am getting a 10% discount on the rebuilt transmission. They even offered me a car to take to the track today until I expalained to the Service Advisor that I would actually be driving it on the track and wouldn't be responsible for any damages that might ocurr; he had thought I was just going to watch so that offer was quickly rescinded. For a second though I was tempted to let that piece of information go unmentioned, they are a P-car dealer too... Regards -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL