E36M3 #4859

Saturday, July 08, 2006 08:06:56

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#1. Oil Pressure - from jeffrey Lin
#2. Re: [E36M3] Locker Room smell - from Brian Ruiz
#3. Software sale - 50% off - from James Clay
#4. Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#5. RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Paul L Fisher
#6. RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Mark D
#7. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Jamie Howton
#8. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Reid Conti
#9. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Chester Wong
#10. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Jon@treehouseracing.com

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#1. Oil Pressure - from jeffrey Lin
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jeffrey Lin <jeffreywlin@yahoo.com> Subject: Oil Pressure somebody from JNPR was asking about oil pressure with VDO senders/gauges instead of working on a router that can take share back from Redback. Ok...on the BMW engine, the max oil pressure is regulated at 4bar (~57PSI), the minimum oil pressure is 0.5 bar or around 7PSI. In my previous expereince with very hot oil, the pressure at idle does indeed drop to around 10psi if not lower. The issue that's happening is that VDO senders with a warning light contact and pressure contact, HAVE different thresholds for when the light is triggered. Some are around 30 PSI some are around 7PSI. I used the 12x1.5mm version at I think the trigger was around 7PSI, but the 10x1 sender is closer to 30psi. Hence the issue...

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Locker Room smell - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:44:37 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Locker Room smell Marc, I assume you know about it, but have you changed the cabin microfilter recently? This can be the cause of the smells, especially if it hasn't been changed recently (or as I have found is commonly a problem) ever been changed. It seems to be tightly pressed cotton, and with the condensation buildup that occurs from the cold air with the A/C running so often during these hot months, combined with the obvious ventilation, there's plenty of room for bacteria and mold growth on the filter media. On my old E36 325, I changed the filter, and it was NASTY. I recently changed the filter in the M3 in preparation for the summer and it was dirty (with WHOLE unbroken leaves and other dirt inside the blower box) but it seemed like it had been changed on time previously. Apologies if you know all about this already, but I figured I'd write out a procedure for this one for archive posterity (is that redundant?) :-P You will probably want a vacuum and possibly some sort of low(er) pressure blowing device to get all the debris out from the box when changing the filter. I used a compressor blowing attachment with the output pressure turned down to prevent from bending up the evaporator fins from high pressure. Just unscrew the 6 screws holding the glovebox to the dash (two on the upper outer corners of the vents, two beside the glovebox hinges, and two on the very bottom of the whole glovebox assembly), the one 10mm screw under the glovebox light (which means you have to remove the glovebox light and disconnect the electrical connector), and pull out the glovebox, removing the connector for the flashlight charger by squeezing the tabs on the sides of it and pushing it out of the surround. In the back of the area, just a bit forward of the firewall, there is a trapezoidal cover to the filter enclosure with a circular knob with two tabs on it. You might have twist and turn yourself to see the cover behind all the wiring mess here, especially on the OBDII cars. Twist the tab counterclockwise(?) and pull out and, voila, there is the filter. There is a tab on the filter that you can use to pull it out. The filter is divided into 3 sections that fold toward you as you remove it; you will have to fold each section as it is revealed to be able to remove the whole filter. Pull out the filter, blow out the box, being very careful not to bend the evaporator fins, as they are somewhat hard to see without twisting your head into unusual positions, and wipe down the inside of the box with some simple green or similar if your hand fits inside the hole. (This could help eliminate some odor as well, as the condensation occurs pretty much everywhere in this area). Break the new filter into its segmented sections and replace the filter, then put the cover back on -- that could be a bit difficult; the filter should go in and be pushed up against the evaporator so as to leave a gap between the backside of the filter and the back sealing lip of the filter area cover, as the box cover has arms that push and hold the filter where it needs to be -- then replace the glovebox, and all is good. You may notice a difference in blowing pressure if your old filter was heavily soiled. Enjoy the clean cool air! As a precaution, I personally turn off the compressor when using the A/C just a few minutes before arriving at my destination. This helps to dry any condensation in the ducting and will contribute to reducing or eliminating future odor problems. For reference, the E36 (and possibly others) microfilter part number is: 64 11 9 069 895 MICRO FILTER HTH, Brian build 8/95 On 7/7/06, Marc Plante complained of 9th grade locker room odor: > Can anyone provide some insights on the affected E36 part and How to clean it?

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#3. Software sale - 50% off - from James Clay
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:08:17 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Software sale - 50% off Not sure if it has popped up here or not yet. We are honoring the AA half-off software sale this month for OBD II cars with standard software (ie, not our Sunbelt cam software). We are flashing in-house and return shipping for your ECU is included. E36 M3 versions included in the sale include the M50 manifold conversion - and we have found a handful of those for $200 also! Big bang for the buck this month. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com http://www.powerflexusa.com Race Proven BMW Performance 877.639.9648

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#4. Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:15:03 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Fraudulent Activity HELP Group, This may not be M3 related but since I have made some good friends on the list, I can (perhaps) get some advice guidance from you all. Last month, I purchased a 1998 328i from a private party in South Carolina. The guy's son was selling the car and they own a mechanic shop (apparently well known in Charleston since they work on Ferrari's, Porsche's etc.). Got the car, drove it on 'bill of sale' with 'tag applied for' at the back. Prior to the purchase, I had asked for VIN and did a carfax, came out clean. It had new tires, new brakes, the guy had changed the oil. I thought to my self, ma I am getting a good deal. When I asked the guy why he was selling the car, I was told that his son had only driven the car for 800 or so miles but because he is 16 and his insurance was too pricey, they had decided to sell it. Understandable. The car was actually registered to them and they only drove about a 1000 miles. Fair enough. Got the car inspected for emissions prior to getting plates and it failed miserably. I was also told that the CEL is not working. Hmmmm. Came back, removed the instrument panel, it was DEFINITELY tampered with since the screws seemed scratched. Apparently the CEL small light (square) had been removed with a screw driver and shows a decent scratch. WTF???? Pulled out my Peake Tool to find out that the Vanos is shot (am getting all sorts of Vanos related codes). This car was purchased for my younger sister and she is devastated (heck I too lost my appetite). I am a bit emotional and do not want to deal with the seller at this point (would like to strategize first). Since the car was sold "as is", what are my options (for remedy)? TIA Ahmad (bummed out) Lutfeali

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#5. RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:23:58 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP I would get in touch with an attorney. "As is" would cover any mechanical defect, however, if they tampered with the odometer, that is a Federal offense. If they knew it was tampered with I believe they would have been obligated to tell you. In addition, if they saw the CE light on and disabled it, I believe it would be fraud. I am not an attorney however so YMMV. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:16 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:15:03 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Fraudulent Activity HELP Group, This may not be M3 related but since I have made some good friends on the list, I can (perhaps) get some advice guidance from you all. Last month, I purchased a 1998 328i from a private party in South Carolina. The guy's son was selling the car and they own a mechanic shop (apparently well known in Charleston since they work on Ferrari's, Porsche's etc.). Got the car, drove it on 'bill of sale' with 'tag applied for' at the back. Prior to the purchase, I had asked for VIN and did a carfax, came out clean. It had new tires, new brakes, the guy had changed the oil. I thought to my self, ma I am getting a good deal. When I asked the guy why he was selling the car, I was told that his son had only driven the car for 800 or so miles but because he is 16 and his insurance was too pricey, they had decided to sell it. Understandable. The car was actually registered to them and they only drove about a 1000 miles. Fair enough. Got the car inspected for emissions prior to getting plates and it failed miserably. I was also told that the CEL is not working. Hmmmm. Came back, removed the instrument panel, it was DEFINITELY tampered with since the screws seemed scratched. Apparently the CEL small light (square) had been removed with a screw driver and shows a decent scratch. WTF???? Pulled out my Peake Tool to find out that the Vanos is shot (am getting all sorts of Vanos related codes). This car was purchased for my younger sister and she is devastated (heck I too lost my appetite). I am a bit emotional and do not want to deal with the seller at this point (would like to strategize first). Since the car was sold "as is", what are my options (for remedy)? TIA Ahmad (bummed out) Lutfeali -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006

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#6. RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Mark D
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:45:06 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP They could always claim that the previous owner did it and not them. But did the car have an emissions inspection in SC? Hrmm.. Good luck. I hate dishonest sellers. I hate crooks. Drive safe. Thanks, Mark On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:26 -0500, Paul L Fisher wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:23:58 -0500 > From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP > > I would get in touch with an attorney. "As is" would cover any mechanical > defect, however, if they tampered with the odometer, that is a Federal > offense. If they knew it was tampered with I believe they would have been > obligated to tell you. > > In addition, if they saw the CE light on and disabled it, I believe it would > be fraud. > > I am not an attorney however so YMMV. > > Paul L Fisher > > 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic > 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic > 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red > > Elkhorn, WI. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:16 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP > > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:15:03 -0400 > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > Subject: Fraudulent Activity HELP > > Group, > > This may not be M3 related but since I have made some good friends on the > list, I can (perhaps) get some advice guidance from you all. > > Last month, I purchased a 1998 328i from a private party in South Carolina. > The guy's son was selling the car and they own a mechanic shop (apparently > well known in Charleston since they work on Ferrari's, Porsche's etc.). Got > the car, drove it on 'bill of sale' with 'tag applied for' at the back. > > Prior to the purchase, I had asked for VIN and did a carfax, came out clean. > It had new tires, new brakes, the guy had changed the oil. I thought to my > self, ma I am getting a good deal. When I asked the guy why he was selling > the car, I was told that his son had only driven the car for 800 or so miles > but because he is 16 and his insurance was too pricey, they had decided to > sell it. Understandable. The car was actually registered to them and they > only drove about a 1000 miles. Fair enough. > > Got the car inspected for emissions prior to getting plates and it failed > miserably. I was also told that the CEL is not working. Hmmmm. > > Came back, removed the instrument panel, it was DEFINITELY tampered with > since the screws seemed scratched. Apparently the CEL small light (square) > had been removed with a screw driver and shows a decent scratch. WTF???? > > Pulled out my Peake Tool to find out that the Vanos is shot (am getting all > sorts of Vanos related codes). > > This car was purchased for my younger sister and she is devastated (heck I > too lost my appetite). > > I am a bit emotional and do not want to deal with the seller at this point > (would like to strategize first). > > Since the car was sold "as is", what are my options (for remedy)? > > TIA > > Ahmad (bummed out) Lutfeali > > >

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:56:00 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP > I would get in touch with an attorney. "As is" would cover any mechanical > defect, however, if they tampered with the odometer, that is a Federal > offense. If they knew it was tampered with I believe they would have been > obligated to tell you. > > In addition, if they saw the CE light on and disabled it, I believe it would > be fraud. > > I am not an attorney however so YMMV. I agree with Paul, but am also not an attorney. From a practical standpoint however, unless you want to get involved with a small claims case you may be better off just fixing it yourself and moving on. I don't remember from prior posts where you are located but if you are out of state from the seller it may be even more of a PITA to sue. I am not sure what $$ value of a case would be in small claims court Vs regular State court but in Illinois it's $5,000. Another consideration is that maybe the guy you bought the car from didn't know about the problem and sold the car honestly. You will have a really hard time proving that he knowingly deceived you. When i bought my M5, the oilpan bolt had been stripped by the PO (in NY) and of course he laughed at me when I suggested that he help pay for the repair. As a starting point, I would call or email the seller and inform him of what you found. Try being nice about it without making any accusations and ask him if he will help you pay for some portion of the repair. If he has any integrity, maybe he will. Caveat Emptor definitely applies when buying used cars. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Reid Conti
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:18:40 -0700 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP > > I would get in touch with an attorney. "As is" would cover any mechanical > > defect, however, if they tampered with the odometer, that is a Federal > > offense. If they knew it was tampered with I believe they would have been > > obligated to tell you. > > > > In addition, if they saw the CE light on and disabled it, I believe it would > > be fraud. > > > > I am not an attorney however so YMMV. I think tinkering with emissions equipment is a serious federal no-no as well. A check engine light should be considered emissions equipment, because it hides an emissions problem. Would be interested in hearing if you have reason to believe they would had to have done it themselves (ie, if they had to pass emissions in the first place to register the car, or if its possible someone did it before them). - reid

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP Too bad you don't live near me. I would just fix your VANOS for you and be done with it :) Good luck getting this righted. Chester --- Ahmad Lutfeali <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> wrote: > Pulled out my Peake Tool to find out that the Vanos is shot (am getting all > sorts of Vanos related codes).

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP - from Jon@treehouseracing.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:00:57 -0500 From: "Jon@treehouseracing.com" <jon@treehouseracing.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP > Good luck. I hate dishonest sellers. I hate crooks. Drive safe. Ahmad, I agree.. it's not right. But what options do you really have? You bought a used car and something is broken on it. Welcome to the club. Seriously, it will only hurt you to be upset about it. Tell your sister to relax. Half of the high mileage vanos units that come into my shop are not 100%. If it's a cost issue, get a used vanos and slap it on. other wise spend the $400 or so for a new one and just fix it and move on. I don't want to sound harsh or non sympathetic, but this is how cars are. They all break. This seller was lame by trying to cover it up, but it's not like the car is a salvage title, or the block cracked. Don't let someone elses shi11y actions occupy your mind. Give the seller an opportunity to make it right, if they choose not to , let them know that you will have to advertise the fact that they were not above board. Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi - DM #052 TreehouseRacing.com M50conversion.com 615.333.9118 ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark D" <mdlkml@atari-source.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:45:06 -0400 > From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP > > They could always claim that the previous owner did it and not them. > But did the car have an emissions inspection in SC? Hrmm.. > > Good luck. I hate dishonest sellers. I hate crooks. Drive safe. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:26 -0500, Paul L Fisher wrote: >> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:23:58 -0500 >> From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> >> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP >> >> I would get in touch with an attorney. "As is" would cover any mechanical >> defect, however, if they tampered with the odometer, that is a Federal >> offense. If they knew it was tampered with I believe they would have been >> obligated to tell you. >> >> In addition, if they saw the CE light on and disabled it, I believe it >> would >> be fraud. >> >> I am not an attorney however so YMMV. >> >> Paul L Fisher >> >> 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic >> 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic >> 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red >> >> Elkhorn, WI. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:16 PM >> To: E36M3 >> Subject: [E36M3] Fraudulent Activity HELP >> >> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:15:03 -0400 >> From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Fraudulent Activity HELP >> >> Group, >> >> This may not be M3 related but since I have made some good friends on the >> list, I can (perhaps) get some advice guidance from you all. >> >> Last month, I purchased a 1998 328i from a private party in South >> Carolina. >> The guy's son was selling the car and they own a mechanic shop >> (apparently >> well known in Charleston since they work on Ferrari's, Porsche's etc.). >> Got >> the car, drove it on 'bill of sale' with 'tag applied for' at the back. >> >> Prior to the purchase, I had asked for VIN and did a carfax, came out >> clean. >> It had new tires, new brakes, the guy had changed the oil. I thought to >> my >> self, ma I am getting a good deal. When I asked the guy why he was >> selling >> the car, I was told that his son had only driven the car for 800 or so >> miles >> but because he is 16 and his insurance was too pricey, they had decided >> to >> sell it. Understandable. The car was actually registered to them and they >> only drove about a 1000 miles. Fair enough. >> >> Got the car inspected for emissions prior to getting plates and it failed >> miserably. I was also told that the CEL is not working. Hmmmm. >> >> Came back, removed the instrument panel, it was DEFINITELY tampered with >> since the screws seemed scratched. Apparently the CEL small light >> (square) >> had been removed with a screw driver and shows a decent scratch. WTF???? >> >> Pulled out my Peake Tool to find out that the Vanos is shot (am getting >> all >> sorts of Vanos related codes). >> >> This car was purchased for my younger sister and she is devastated (heck >> I >> too lost my appetite). >> >> I am a bit emotional and do not want to deal with the seller at this >> point >> (would like to strategize first). >> >> Since the car was sold "as is", what are my options (for remedy)? >> >> TIA >> >> Ahmad (bummed out) Lutfeali >> >> >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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