E36M3 #4871

Sunday, July 16, 2006 15:26:41

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Flow rate of the factory injectors - from Andrew Kalman
#2. [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? - from Rich Dorffer
#3. RE: Flow rate of the factory injectors - from Craig Perrin
#4. Re: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? - from Chris Teague
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Flow rate of the factory injectors - from Raza Uddin
#6. Re: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? - from Randy Walters
#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: Flow rate of the factory injectors & Techron - from dhogg
#8. Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? - from Jeff Conner
#9. Re: [E36M3] Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? - from Mel Silva
#10. Re: [E36M3] Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? - from Mark Dadgar

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Flow rate of the factory injectors - from Andrew Kalman
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:27:43 -0700 From: Andrew Kalman <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Flow rate of the factory injectors My 8/95 buid '95 LWT NEVER pings on CA 91 gas. Totally stock engine & electronics. --Andrew (My '77 3.6l 530i -- now that's another story in the pinging dept. :) ) >Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:50:16 -0700 >From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Flow rate of the factory injectors > >Hey all, > >This brings up the main problem I've had with my car since I first got it, >and I would love to be rid of the problem. I even replaced the VANOS hoping >it would quiet down the engine a bit and help eliminate this problem, but it >doesn't seem like that helped much (it did quiet down, just a little). > >My 8/95 build '95 has pinging problems with a Conforti Euro HFM & intake >kit. I am using the "anti-knock" version of the software, and it still >pings. I think Bora Akyol on the UUC list (or maybe it was Marco) did an >informal poll a few years back about pinging problems, in which he found >that the 95s almost always ping, with our without intakes, and even >sometimes with stock software, and the OBDII cars ping occasionally, I >*think* only with software and intake combinations. On my car it definitely >occurs more often in warmer weather (as it seemingly almost disappeared over >the winter), and it goes away when I use race gas (and then the car runs >like a scalded ape, feels great). Is there any off-the-shelf solution to >this problem? I ONLY use premium gas (Chevron 91 octane here in CA), so >hopefully there is little carbon buildup in the engine contributing to the >problem. I will probably run a bottle of techron in the tank soon to help >clean anything up that could be there, but does anyone have any suggestions >besides a custom chip? > >Thanks, > >Brian >build 8/95 > -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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#2. [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:30:05 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? Randy Walters has gone to the dark side and now has an E36 M3? :-) Still have the E30 325is? Regards, Rich From: Randy Walters <randylwalters@earthlink.net> > > I just bought a set of four 7.5" OE M Contours in very good condition for > $825 shipped, which seemed > to be in the higher range compared to all the sets that were for sale > locally and on Bimmerforums.

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#3. RE: Flow rate of the factory injectors - from Craig Perrin
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:35:49 -0400 From: Craig Perrin <cperrin@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: RE: Flow rate of the factory injectors I don't have any other suggestion. I will say I tried everything I could think of for pinging at high rpm, worse in hot weather – Techron, octane boost, Techron, Sunoco 94, Techron, new Vanos, Techron. I didn't try race gas on principle – this is supposed to be a street car! Pinging was the same with or without modifications. Finally I called Will Turner, Jim Conforti, and Karl Hugh, who all said I needed a custom chip. Connecticut and SLC were out, so I drove (slowly) to AA Miami. Their custom chip was well worth the drive and the $500 – as I found out on Alligator Alley coming home. Now there's no hint of pinging under any conditions, with any brand of gas. Maybe give Karl a call at AA. He's seen it all and is generous with advice. Or Jim or Will, who were equally generous with advice. Craig Ping-free early 95 On Jul 15, 2006, at 7:25 PM, E36M3 wrote: > I will probably run a bottle of techron in the tank soon to help > clean anything up that could be there, but does anyone have any > suggestions > besides a custom chip? > > Thanks, > > Brian > build 8/95

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#4. Re: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:09:21 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? Not fully to the dark side. It's an E36 all right, but not an M3. Chris ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:30:05 -0400 > From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> > Subject: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? > > Randy Walters has gone to the dark side and now has an E36 M3? > > :-) > > Still have the E30 325is? > > Regards, > > Rich

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Flow rate of the factory injectors - from Raza Uddin
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:17:19 -0700 From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Flow rate of the factory injectors On 7/14/06, Brian Ruiz <eurowerke@gmail.com> wrote: > > I ONLY use premium gas (Chevron 91 octane here in CA), so > hopefully there is little carbon buildup in the engine contributing to the > problem. Brian, I have been having similar high-rpm pinging issues, however they have been with an S52 modified with Dinan's intake, exhaust and software. At first, I thought it was related to having Stage I software with intake and exhaust, but it happened to me with my current Stage II software (albeit in VERY hot weather). However, one thing that did work for me (both when I was at Stage I software and now) was switching gas brands. My car would only ping on Chevron gas, but on Shell and 76 Premium, it wouldn't. The car ran trouble free at 100+ degree heat at Thunderhill last week, however, I was running on 76 race gas. Drive Safely, Raza

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#6. Re: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? - from Randy Walters
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:28:39 -0700 From: Randy Walters <randylwalters@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M Countours... What's the going price? Rich rote: >Randy Walters has gone to the dark side and now has an E36 M3? > >:-) > >Still have the E30 325is? > >Regards, >Rich Hi Rich, I almost bought an E36 M3 last year, but due to my mom's terminal illness taking a big turn for the worse i had to put my search on hold for several months. Then a few months ago i started shopping for an M3 again, but the practical side of me took over and i ended up changing my mind and searched for a nice 328is instead. I couldn't justify spending twice as much for a good example plus another $800 per year insurance for a car that will sleep outside all it's life and only be driven 6,000 miles per year (3 mile commute to work, where the oil won't get hot enough to burn the condensation off the inside of the valve cover :-) Someday, perhaps . . . . . . sigh..... And yes i still have the trusty E30 and am still actively autocrossing it with the SCCA and BMW CCA. I've been lurking on this mailing list for over a year now, quietly gaining knowledge on the M3 :-) http://members.roadfly.com/randywalters/Sig%20Pic%20-%20E30%20and%20E36%20a.jpg Randy 89 325is 96 328is

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#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: Flow rate of the factory injectors & Techron - from dhogg
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:29:07 -0400 From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Flow rate of the factory injectors & Techron Jonathan, OK, I'll stand corrected on my Conforti/lean comment. It was only one conversation and I may have misunderstood, plus I ran Shark software on both E36 M3's for many years and it has served well. But I stand by my comment that Techron rocks (the detonation on the street car could easily have come from yucky injectors). Dave Hogg

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#8. Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? I've heard wildly differing opinions on this topic, so I thought I'd get some more. Yesterday, a friend, and occasional contributor here, told me that he swaps his front Axxis Ultimates in and uses PF-01 for his track days. On my wagon, I swapped my old stock pads with Hawk HP-Plus and didn't notice anything bad. Today I mentioned to a few friends that I was considering doing that, not naming any pads and they looked at me like I was crazy and that I was heading towards rotor warpage. What gives? Is either of them right? Is it just a question of proper bedding technique or are there other aspects? TIA -jeff 98 ///M3|4 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free.

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? - from Mel Silva
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:21:28 -0500 From: Mel Silva <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? Back in the day, I used to do this when I got to the track. However, due to pad material transfer, I also swapped rotors too. I had a matched set of pads and rotors for the street and one for the track. After removing the set currently on the car I would duct-tape the left set together and mark them with a Sharpie as the 'left set' and do the same with the right set. I always used and replaced the items as a set. I have done my homework on brakes and have enough track experience to tell you that what I did, albeit anal, worked for me. You may have similar results being less anal than me. I'm an engineer at heart and have always been anal about things that work as a 'system'. Mel (hoping to get back on track one day) Silva www.melsilva.net Jeff Conner wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> > Subject: Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? > > I've heard wildly differing opinions on this topic, so I thought I'd get some more. > > Yesterday, a friend, and occasional contributor here, told me that he swaps his front Axxis Ultimates in and uses PF-01 for his track days. On my wagon, I swapped my old stock pads with Hawk HP-Plus and didn't notice anything bad. > > Today I mentioned to a few friends that I was considering doing that, not naming any pads and they looked at me like I was crazy and that I was heading towards rotor warpage. > > What gives? Is either of them right? Is it just a question of proper bedding technique or are there other aspects? > > TIA > -jeff > 98 ///M3|4 > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > >

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:21:58 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Pad swapping, decent idea or trouble waiting to happen? On Jul 16, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Jeff Conner wrote: > Today I mentioned to a few friends that I was considering doing > that, not naming any pads and they looked at me like I was crazy > and that I was heading towards rotor warpage. > > What gives? Is either of them right? Is it just a question of > proper bedding technique or are there other aspects? It a non-issue. Don't worry about it. When going from certain race pads to street pads, you may get the temporary feeling of warpage due to the pad deposits on the rotors, but that will eventually go away as the deposits wear off. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar

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