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#1. WIndshield replacement - from Carl Stern
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:54 -0600 From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> Subject: WIndshield replacement My local Elite Auto Glass, using PPG wants $196.50 to replace my 95 M3 windshield. The local BMW dealer (with my club discount) wants: $240.80 glass 23.60 molding kit 43.20 glue kit 225.00 labor and they keep it overnight to let the glue cure while still clamped. Is the BMW method the correct way and superior method, or just a way to waste $300? (this is out of pocket, not an insurance claim) thanks, Carl
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#2. RE: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:02:26 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement It is a way to waste $300. I have used www.safelite.com on my cars and have had no issues. Also, would you rather have a BMW technician who does one windshield a year (maybe) or someone who does 10 a day? Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Stern [mailto:carl.stern@xilinx.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:56 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:54 -0600 From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> Subject: WIndshield replacement My local Elite Auto Glass, using PPG wants $196.50 to replace my 95 M3 windshield. The local BMW dealer (with my club discount) wants: $240.80 glass 23.60 molding kit 43.20 glue kit 225.00 labor and they keep it overnight to let the glue cure while still clamped. Is the BMW method the correct way and superior method, or just a way to waste $300? (this is out of pocket, not an insurance claim) thanks, Carl -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006
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#3. Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:04:44 -0700 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement Safelite Autoglass replaced the glass in my car with BMW glass. They do need a trim/moulding kit. The guy from Safelite that installed my glass says the other glass does not look as good as BMW so he always asks for the BMW glass. he says without fail anytime he does non BMW glass in an M3 the owner complains and he has to come out and install the BMW glass anyway. This may or may not be true YMMV. Glass for my cars has always been installed b y someone other than the dealer. They have always used BMW glass. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Jul 17, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Carl Stern wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:54 -0600 > From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> > Subject: WIndshield replacement > > My local Elite Auto Glass, using PPG wants $196.50 to replace my > 95 M3 windshield. > > The local BMW dealer (with my club discount) wants: > $240.80 glass > 23.60 molding kit > 43.20 glue kit > 225.00 labor > > and they keep it overnight to let the glue cure while still clamped. > > Is the BMW method the correct way and superior method, or just a way > to waste $300? (this is out of pocket, not an insurance claim) > > > thanks, > Carl > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:08:33 -0400 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement I'm on my 2nd PPG windshield, and so far have found it to be far superior to the original stuff. The original glass had scratches from the windshield wipers, the PPG stuff has been far more resistant to damage. Only reason I had to put in a 2nd PPG windshield was because a truck kicked up a tire carcass chunk & flung it into my windshield. Hit so hard the rearview mirror landed in my lap. The PPG stuff has the same tinting at the top, VIN number lines up perfectly with the hole in the black part at the bottom. Last replacement was out of pocket for me too, about the same price. Andrej '97 M3 Carl Stern wrote: > My local Elite Auto Glass, using PPG wants $196.50 to replace my > 95 M3 windshield. > > The local BMW dealer (with my club discount) wants: > $240.80 glass > 23.60 molding kit > 43.20 glue kit > 225.00 labor > > and they keep it overnight to let the glue cure while still clamped. > > Is the BMW method the correct way and superior method, or just a way > to waste $300? (this is out of pocket, not an insurance claim) >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:06:55 -0700 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement Also Safelite has a lifetime warranty against leaks and imperfections. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Jul 17, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Paul L Fisher wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:02:26 -0500 > From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement > > It is a way to waste $300. I have used www.safelite.com on my cars > and have > had no issues. Also, would you rather have a BMW technician who > does one > windshield a year (maybe) or someone who does 10 a day? > > Paul L Fisher > > 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic > 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic > 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red > > Elkhorn, WI. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Stern [mailto:carl.stern@xilinx.com] > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:56 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement > > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:54 -0600 > From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> > Subject: WIndshield replacement > > My local Elite Auto Glass, using PPG wants $196.50 to replace my > 95 M3 windshield. > > The local BMW dealer (with my club discount) wants: > $240.80 glass > 23.60 molding kit > 43.20 glue kit > 225.00 labor > > and they keep it overnight to let the glue cure while still clamped. > > Is the BMW method the correct way and superior method, or just a way > to waste $300? (this is out of pocket, not an insurance claim) > > > thanks, > Carl > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: > 7/14/2006 > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement - from Reid Conti
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:44:59 -0700 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement I called my insurance co (USAA) to have my glass repaired. I asked to go through my own glass guy, as the glass claims for USAA go directly to a Safelite person who answers as USAA glass claims. But you're allowed to use whoever you want. When my glass guy came out, he said of course they go through Safelite because they have a contract, but he strongly recommended against using Safelite for glass replacements. He said to always ask for the factory PPG glass (I think it was made by Sekurit originally, but now PPG does it). He said the Safelite pieces, since they're copies and not OE/OEM spec, never fit quite right and often have leak issues. Obviously he is biased, but that's not to say there is any problem with Safelite's labor.. however I would not trust a copy of a windshield. Especially when the original part is hardly any more money, and the glass is part of the safety structure of the car. - reid > Safelite Autoglass replaced the glass in my car with BMW glass. > They do need a trim/moulding kit. > The guy from Safelite that installed my glass says the other glass > does not look as good as BMW so he always asks for the BMW glass. > he says without fail anytime he does non BMW glass in an M3 the owner > complains > and he has to come out and install the BMW glass anyway. > > This may or may not be true YMMV. > Glass for my cars has always been installed b y someone other than > the dealer. > They have always used BMW glass.
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#7. Looking for 3.2l US Stock Rods - from Jon@treehouseracing.com
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:11:09 -0500 From: "Jon@treehouseracing.com" <jon@treehouseracing.com> Subject: Looking for 3.2l US Stock Rods Anyone have a good set? Thanks, Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi - DM #052 TreehouseRacing.com M50conversion.com 615.333.9118 ______________________________________________
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#8. Re: Headers for a '95 3.0 - from Chip E.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chip E." <chip4bmw@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Headers for a '95 3.0 There's a new(ish) equal length header for the E36 by Jet Hot. They're Jet Hot coated inside and out. Great price, $599 MSRP The problem is, they're the "Shorty" model. I understand (quoting Koalamotorsport.com) that the shorty headers are a PITA to install. As for the twin-screw...it just came closer to you!!! Checkout Eurosport's webpage. They're on sale this month, and if you bypass a few options (I wouldn't) you can actually get one for just over $5K. BTW, I found a nice silver/black 5spd 4dr '98 ///M3. Koalamotorsport is putting in the Eurosport TS, so some of you may be seeing my bumper pass by in the near future. Guess I should get some UUC Motorwerks big brakes so I can stop. ;-) -e. > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:53:14 -0500 > From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> > Subject: Headers for a '95 3.0 > > Hey, Group- > Since I've got a head gasket replacement to do > shortly and I > understand removing the exhaust headers can be a > chore, what is the > current wisdom for replacement of the OBD1 3.0 > headers on my 11/95 > with 96+ OBDII? > > I've heard that the exh. manifolds on the '95s are > a choke point > (still stock exhaust, but I'm working my way bit by > bit towards a > twin screw), but which manifolds are the proper > replacement? M model > only? And what else will need to be modified? Will > they bolt up to my > existing down pipes? O2 sensor plugs/extensions? > > > Thanks in advance, > Steve
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#9. RE: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:34:25 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement That is fine. I have had several windshields replaced over the years and all of them have been done by Safelite. Never have had any issues. Obviously your glass guy would dis' the competition. My windshield for my M Roadster was $186 installed. My VW Golf was $320. The guy said that VW required a special adhesive. He showed it to me and it had the VW logo and part # on it so they obviously do it correctly. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Reid Conti [mailto:reid@conti.net] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:46 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:44:59 -0700 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement I called my insurance co (USAA) to have my glass repaired. I asked to go through my own glass guy, as the glass claims for USAA go directly to a Safelite person who answers as USAA glass claims. But you're allowed to use whoever you want. When my glass guy came out, he said of course they go through Safelite because they have a contract, but he strongly recommended against using Safelite for glass replacements. He said to always ask for the factory PPG glass (I think it was made by Sekurit originally, but now PPG does it). He said the Safelite pieces, since they're copies and not OE/OEM spec, never fit quite right and often have leak issues. Obviously he is biased, but that's not to say there is any problem with Safelite's labor.. however I would not trust a copy of a windshield. Especially when the original part is hardly any more money, and the glass is part of the safety structure of the car. - reid -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006
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#10. Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement - from Reid Conti
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:52:44 -0700 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WIndshield replacement But I think the point was to go with the OE glass rather than the Safelite glass. If Safelite offers the option of using the "real" glass, go for that. The windshield for my M3 was $280 once. My buddy (Who had bought my VW Corrado from me) kicked me and told me to ask how much it would be for the Corrado while I was still on the phone with the glass shop. The guy said $650. Ouch! Previous owner told me it cost him $1000 or $1100 to have the windshield done on the M Coupe. Needless to say when my windshield needs replacing, I will not be taking it to a dealer :) - reid On 7/17/06, Paul L Fisher <bmw@paul-fisher.com> wrote: > That is fine. I have had several windshields replaced over the years and all > of them have been done by Safelite. Never have had any issues. > > Obviously your glass guy would dis' the competition. > > My windshield for my M Roadster was $186 installed. My VW Golf was $320. The > guy said that VW required a special adhesive. He showed it to me and it had > the VW logo and part # on it so they obviously do it correctly.