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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: MPG question... - from Mel Silva
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mel Silva <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MPG question... Nobody has mentioned this yet, so I'll jump in here. If you have noticed a recent downswing in your mileage (and an upswing in the price), this may be due to content of Ethanol. Ethanol contains less usable energy per gallon than does gasoline. This has caused many people to complain about the gas mileage in Texas anyway. Mel -----Original Message----- >From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> >Sent: Jul 20, 2006 3:05 PM >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MPG question... > >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:03:44 -0500 >From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MPG question... > >> > All, what are people getting for their average MPG? >> > I'm getting 22mpg which seems pretty bad to me. I have a '95. My > >My M3 averages between 8 and 9 MPG on the track (calculated, not using >the OBC) and usually ~1-2 quarts of oil during a track weekend. It >isn't a street driven car any more but when it was it averaged around >20mpg. I would be concerned with the oil useage you are seing on your >car, my M5 (which is known for using a lot of oil) averages 1000 miles >per litre of TWS 10W60. On the street I don't remember my M3 using >much oil at all between changes. >-- >Jamie Howton >2006 M Roadster >2000 M5 >1995 M3 >Hampshire, IL > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > >
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Online purchases - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:06:38 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Online purchases I have only had to ‘chargeback’ on a PayPal item once. In my case, the seller shipped without a tracking # so PayPal refunded no questions asked. All I’m saying is that since you are paying PayPal and PayPal is actually paying the seller, they can argue that they shouldn’t have it held against you. Are you saying that you have had claims with PayPal where they refused your claim and your credit card company took your side? If so, did PayPal close your account or try taking the money some other way? Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. _____ From: rdorffer@gmail.com [mailto:rdorffer@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rich Dorffer Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:39 PM To: Paul L Fisher Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Online purchases On 7/20/06, Paul L Fisher <HYPERLINK "mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com"bmw@paul-fisher.com> wrote: Ummm… Who do you think issues the most credit cards? Banks. That's what I meant by bank. Well, you have to be more specific then since PayPal allows funding via your balance with them, directly via a bank balance (checking or savings account) or via a credit or debit card (and yes, I know, there are financial institutions behind all debit and credit cards). So, there are a variety of potential choices. In addition, Patrick specifically stated in this thread the previously: Forgot about that, I only hope I can verify that the source of funds for that particular trans came from my bank and not previous balance from others paying me.... So he made direct reference to funding via his "bank" and that is what I had responded to. I also work in Finance, I am pretty familiar with credit cards, banks, processing, etc. Once again, the seller, in this case PayPal will show the terms of service to the bank/credit card company and in there it will say that the 'product' you were buying was a transfer of money. They lived up to their end and therefore aren't liable. First off, you are assuming that the seller will probably evidence that they shipped said item as required, providing evidence of the shipment and tracking information and that the buyer received it. Additionally, they would have to show that they lived up to the description of the item. If they buyer can demonstrate that the item they were buying was supposed to be new and it clearly wasn't, I believe the buyer would have the credit card company to stand behind and the seller would have a hard time claiming they filled their end of the agreement properly in order to get the funds returned to them. Have you personally experienced this or made any claims via your credit card company that were payments through PayPal? I know I have, on both sides, as a buyer and a seller. HYPERLINK "http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/ua-outside" \nhttp://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/ua-outside 2.2 PayPal is only a Payment Service Provider. PayPal acts as a payment service provider by creating, hosting, maintaining and providing our Service to you via the Internet. We do not have any control over the products or services that are paid for with our Service. We cannot ensure that a buyer or a seller you are dealing with will actually complete the transaction. I got all that, they are just a middle man. 2.4 Release. In the event that you have a dispute with one or more users, you release PayPal (and our officers, directors, agents, subsidiaries, joint ventures and employees) from any and all claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential) of every kind and nature arising out of or in any way connected with such disputes. If you are a California resident, you waive California Civil Code §1542, which says: "A general release does not extend to claims which the creditor does not know or suspect to exist in his favor at the time of executing the release, which if not known by him must have materially affected his settlement with the debtor." I know what their agreement may state. Regardless, you still have the credit card company in between when funding via them and that agreement still pertains as well. I have done tens of thousands of dollars via PayPal via my two accounts with them, I am pretty familiar with how everything works on both the buy and sell side including internationally and in other currencies. Regards, Rich -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.2/393 - Release Date: 7/19/2006
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: MPG question... - from Peter Loron
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:22:18 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: MPG question... On 7/20/06, Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > > LOL Peter, remember these aren't economy cars:) I've been getting 20-22 > mpg mixed and I drive approaching the aggressive to azzhole side of the > spectrum. > > This is with my 97 M3/4 > 98K miles > Mobile One 0w-40 > 5speed with stock gearing > Calculated using a real calculator factoring in adjustment for 255 tire > size. Well, it *IS* an economy car compared to my Tahoe @ 13mpg! :-) No complaints on that score so far for my M3/4/5...I knew the mileage going in. -Pete
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Online purchases - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:22:07 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Online purchases On 7/20/06, Paul L Fisher <bmw@paul-fisher.com> wrote: > I have only had to 'chargeback' on a PayPal item once. In my case, the > seller shipped without a tracking # so PayPal refunded no questions asked. > Yep, many times that alone will save you as many sellers either don't ship to protect themselves or don't retain the paperwork or don't follow through, etc. I have two instances where I made claims and the seller's simply choose not to defend their claim. > All I'm saying is that since you are paying PayPal and PayPal is > actually paying the seller, they can argue that they shouldn't have it held > against you. Are you saying that you have had claims with PayPal where > they refused your claim and your credit card company took your side? If so, > did PayPal close your account or try taking the money some other way? > For instance, I have filed a claim with PayPal for a payment processed through them funded via my credit card. PayPal did nothing but waste time and deny my claim (they are a paper tiger, just like eBay for instance), then I proceeded to file a claim with my credit card company. The credit card company (financial institution if you prefer) immediately refunded my money reversing the charge processed through PayPal. Since the money was ripped from PayPal, they immediately ripped it from the seller (this is how this works). PayPal with either seize the funds from the seller's PayPal account or if there isn't enough to cover it, they will simply go directly to the seller's bank account. Then, it will be up to the seller to defend their claim to their money to get it back. They will have to prove the they shipped properly and fulfilled the agreement. In this instance, PayPal didn't choose to close my account, but they can if they want to. I think if you utilize the credit card companies too many times to do this, you can guarantee they will close it. I have heard of people having their accounts closed for using their credit card institution to file a claim in this manner. I have been shafted via PayPal too. I sold an item to a fraudulent person in Vancouver. They paid me via PayPal with a stolen PayPal account (probably from phishing schemes...people are generally pretty stupid about this SPAM). Anyway, when the person reported the stolen account, PayPal ripped the money from my account (my bank account that is, as I had no money on my PayPal account) and returned it to the original account holder (I would bet that it was funded via the defrauded person's credit card). Even though I could prove that I properly shipped the item and the item was consistent with the sales agreement, the account had been stolen so I was out of luck. I filed a claim with the Vancouver Police Department giving them the information I had just in case it might prevent future claims or it might get followed up if more claims like mine were made. The fraudelent buyer had used a rented mail box (not a post office but something like a MailBoxes, Etc.) and had used a phony name, etc to establish the box. I no longer ship to non-street addresses thanks to @ssholes like this and closely check out any non-confirmed address payments via PayPal. Regards, Rich
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#5. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure - from Robert Exconde - 99e36m3
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:23:36 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde - 99e36m3" <99e36m3@Exconde.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure Well some had suggested replacing the belt as it could be slipping. I did check the belt and it was cracked. That did solve some other items as well. The light seems to get worse when the compressor for the AC turns on. I forget, I'll check what the pressure is at running speed, but I don't remember it being in the 50s. I should do the nut and oil pan as well tho. r -----Original Message----- From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 14:58 To: Robert Exconde - 99e36m3; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure oil pump is driven by a chain internal to the block. I can't imagine how changing your belts would have any effect on your oil pressure. oil pressure at idle can be as low as 7.5psi, at speed you should see around 55psi. It is not uncommon to see a flickering low oil pressure light at idle if the oil is very hot. For me it's not that hard to replace the pump - but I don't think it should be a project for a first time DIY'er.
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#6. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:35:55 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure As others have said, belts have nothing to do with oil pressure. The reason why the pressure goes lower with the A/C on is that it puts a load on the engine so it idles slower so the oil pump doesn't turn as fast. My personal experience, not on a BMW, is that sometimes the oil sending unit gets 'tired'. The cheapest fix would be to replace it. If it fixes the problem, you saved yourself some bucks. If not, you are just out a little money and have eliminated one potential problem. A question to the group, does the M have 2 pressure sensors, one for the idiot light and one for the gauge or does one feed both? Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Exconde - 99e36m3 [mailto:99e36m3@Exconde.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:26 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:23:36 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde - 99e36m3" <99e36m3@Exconde.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure Well some had suggested replacing the belt as it could be slipping. I did check the belt and it was cracked. That did solve some other items as well. The light seems to get worse when the compressor for the AC turns on. I forget, I'll check what the pressure is at running speed, but I don't remember it being in the 50s. I should do the nut and oil pan as well tho. r -----Original Message----- From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 14:58 To: Robert Exconde - 99e36m3; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure oil pump is driven by a chain internal to the block. I can't imagine how changing your belts would have any effect on your oil pressure. oil pressure at idle can be as low as 7.5psi, at speed you should see around 55psi. It is not uncommon to see a flickering low oil pressure light at idle if the oil is very hot. For me it's not that hard to replace the pump - but I don't think it should be a project for a first time DIY'er. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.2/393 - Release Date: 7/19/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.2/393 - Release Date: 7/19/2006
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#7. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:02:15 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure Thanks. I was wondering since my M Roadster only has an oil temp gauge. I figured it was a difference between the Roadster and the M3. That's another question for the original poster, how is his pressure gauge wired? Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:57 PM To: Paul L Fisher; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure The M does not have a stock oil pressure gauge, therefore the stock sender only feeds the idiot light. You can buy aftermarket senders that have ouputs for a gauge and an idiot light. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:46 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:35:55 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure As others have said, belts have nothing to do with oil pressure. The reason why the pressure goes lower with the A/C on is that it puts a load on the engine so it idles slower so the oil pump doesn't turn as fast. My personal experience, not on a BMW, is that sometimes the oil sending unit gets 'tired'. The cheapest fix would be to replace it. If it fixes the problem, you saved yourself some bucks. If not, you are just out a little money and have eliminated one potential problem. A question to the group, does the M have 2 pressure sensors, one for the idiot light and one for the gauge or does one feed both? Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Exconde - 99e36m3 [mailto:99e36m3@Exconde.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:26 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:23:36 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde - 99e36m3" <99e36m3@Exconde.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure Well some had suggested replacing the belt as it could be slipping. I did check the belt and it was cracked. That did solve some other items as well. The light seems to get worse when the compressor for the AC turns on. I forget, I'll check what the pressure is at running speed, but I don't remember it being in the 50s. I should do the nut and oil pan as well tho. r -----Original Message----- From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 14:58 To: Robert Exconde - 99e36m3; E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Oil Pressure oil pump is driven by a chain internal to the block. I can't imagine how changing your belts would have any effect on your oil pressure. oil pressure at idle can be as low as 7.5psi, at speed you should see around 55psi. It is not uncommon to see a flickering low oil pressure light at idle if the oil is very hot. For me it's not that hard to replace the pump - but I don't think it should be a project for a first time DIY'er. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.2/393 - Release Date: 7/19/2006
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#8. HK Speaker Removal - from Reed Nicholson
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:06:20 -0700 From: "Reed Nicholson" <reedthis@comcast.net> Subject: HK Speaker Removal What's the procedure for removing the midrange and tweeter speakers from the door panel? I thought they would just pop out, but apparently not. TIA, Reed/Seattle
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#9. HK speaker removal - from Reed Nicholson
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:10:25 -0700 From: "Reed Nicholson" <reedthis@comcast.net> Subject: HK speaker removal What's the procedure for removing the midrange and tweeter speakers from the door panel? I thought they would just pop out, but apparently not. TIA, Reed/Seattle
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#10. Re: [E36M3] HK Speaker Removal - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] HK Speaker Removal On Thu, July 20, 2006 3:15 pm, Reed Nicholson said: > What's the procedure for removing the midrange and tweeter speakers from > the > door panel? I thought they would just pop out, but apparently not. They're attached on the back-side of the door panel. Remove the door panel, then remove the speakers. Jim Bassett