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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Stock Sway diameters? - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:04:49 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Stock Sway diameters? Neil Maller wrote: >IMO the RD front bar is undesirably big, except maybe for use with stock >springs for street driving only, where the resulting understeer tendency may >be acceptable. Neil, I've noticed differing opinions on this subject. For the longest time I had read what you just said but I have noticed that the racers seem to prefer larger front sway bars. Example, on C-Mod cars. I have noticed the RD setup a lot, also the Turner ones (which I believe are sized similar to the RD ones),the Ground Control ones (front one is BIG) and then there are custom ones like the ones on Larry W.'s car which I believe were inspired by the P. Cunningham WC GT race car. Friggin' huge. I'm not a suspension expert but I thought I had read that perhaps it was because of the camber gain curve that the E36's front suspension has was the reason larger sway bars are desirable. <shrug> >A few months ago I replaced my old, flaking and corroded RD bars with the >UUC product, which I think is better balanced. I'm not too impressed by the UUC ones, mine are flaking and corroded like your RD bars and I keep hearing people complaining about how they make the car handle. On that thought I purchased the honking GC front sway bar to test but unfortunately my car has been down for a few weeks waiting for me to replace a few items. It'll be on the car the next time I'm out on track and will be the only change I've made since the last time out on track so hopefully I'll be able to appreciate the difference. Cheers, Carlos 98 M3
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#2. RE: [CR]Fuel Pump Failure - from James Clay
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:07:43 -0400 From: "James Clay" <jameslist@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: [CR] <E36> Fuel Pump Failure Shorted not the best word maybe? Gas insulates to a degree. If you get gas in a plug, it can detract from the connection efficiency. Certainly dielectric grease is a better choice? -----Original Message----- From: club-racing-list-bounces@bimmers.com [mailto:club-racing-list-bounces@bimmers.com] On Behalf Of jeffrey Lin Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:59 PM To: Partykm@aol.com; sak335@yahoo.com; marco@corsa-na.com; e36m3@bmw-m.net; club-racing-list@bimmers.com Subject: Re: [CR] <E36> Fuel Pump Failure if gas shorted out electrical, can u imagine how many fires there would be? Partykm@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/26/2006 12:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, sak335@yahoo.com writes: when the fuel level got high enough it was shorting out the wires that send power to the pump. Not positive but I don't think gas will short out electrical connections. My fuel cell has two pumps on the bottom and the connections aren't 'protected.' Ken _______________________________________________ BMW CR SIG Sponsors: http://www.turnermotorsport.com http://www.impact-engineering.com http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.evosport.com http://www.diffsonline.com _______________________________________________ Reply to club-racing-list@bimmers.com http://lists.bimmers.com/mailman/listinfo/club-racing-list Version BMW.2 _______________________________________________ BMW CR SIG Sponsors: http://www.turnermotorsport.com http://www.impact-engineering.com http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.evosport.com http://www.diffsonline.com _______________________________________________ Reply to club-racing-list@bimmers.com http://lists.bimmers.com/mailman/listinfo/club-racing-list Version BMW.2
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#3. Re: Stock Sway diameters? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:27:53 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Stock Sway diameters? on 7/26/06 10:04 PM, Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com at Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: > Neil, I've noticed differing opinions on this subject. For the longest > time I had read what you just said but I have noticed that the racers seem > to prefer larger front sway bars. Example, on C-Mod cars. I have noticed > the RD setup a lot, also the Turner ones (which I believe are sized > similar to the RD ones),the Ground Control ones (front one is BIG) and then > there are custom ones like the ones on Larry W.'s car which I believe were > inspired by the P. Cunningham WC GT race car. Friggin' huge. Yeah but the GC and other really large bars, like the Kermit Upton/MASR bars, are hollow, so the effective diameter is much less than the physical diameter. I don't have the sizes for GC but the hollow MASR is 32F/25R OD (don't know the ID though). > I'm not a suspension expert but I thought I had read that perhaps it was > because of the camber gain curve that the E36's front suspension has was > the reason larger sway bars are desirable. <shrug> I've heard that too but the data I've seen up to now doesn't appear to support it. The E36 front struts give negative camber gain right until they run out of travel, although struts do funny things to the roll centre height. Furthermore the -Mod guys are using very stiff springs compared with us regular guys, so the relative effect of any super-big bar is much reduced for them. >> A few months ago I replaced my old, flaking and corroded RD bars with the >> UUC product, which I think is better balanced. > I'm not too impressed by the UUC ones, mine are flaking and corroded like > your RD bars and I keep hearing people complaining about how they make the > car handle. I'm happy with my UUC's from a handling point of view, but see also my comment about spring rates. Unfortunately I think any powder coated bar, which is most of them, will deteriorate like that. Wish UUC still made the original plated design, which ought to be better for corrosion and wear. > On that thought I purchased the honking GC front sway bar to test but > unfortunately my car has been down for a few weeks waiting for me to replace a > few items. So what's the OD/ID of the GC front? We can calculate the effective diameter. Neil 96 M3
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#4. how do you search the archives? - from Kelvin
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:47:58 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: how do you search the archives? Folks am I missing something here? How do you search the archives? I don't see a search button anywhere. Can someone give me some tips? I know the archives are here: http://www.bmw-m.net/Digest/ But I can't figure out how to search them without going thru each one of them. PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A WAY TO SEARCH! =D Thanks!
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#5. IGNORE PREVIOUS POST -- figured it out Re: [E36M3] how do you search - from Kelvin
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:04:08 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: IGNORE PREVIOUS POST -- figured it out Re: [E36M3] how do you search the archives? Ok I'm stupid. =D Hot weather has gotten to me. I figured it out. Please ignore my previous msg. Kelvin wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:47:58 -0700 > From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> > Subject: how do you search the archives? > > Folks am I missing something here? How do you search the archives? I > don't see a search button anywhere. > Can someone give me some tips? I know the archives are here: > http://www.bmw-m.net/Digest/ > > But I can't figure out how to search them without going thru each one > of them. PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A WAY TO SEARCH! =D > > Thanks!
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#6. Re: [E36M3] how do you search the archives? - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] how do you search the archives? Kelvin -- I use my, ahem, favorite Internet search engine: - go to http://search.yahoo.com/ - enter the search: inurl:bmw-m.net/digest {your search words} e.g. inurl:bmw-m.net/digest ground control You will likely need to click the "repeat the search with the omitted results included" link to see everything. For some reason, Y! thinks that there are duplicate results. I'll have to ping the search guys about that. If you use Firefox (doesn't everyone by now? http://getfirefox.com/), you could also set up a search shortcut. Just add a new bookmark like this... - Bookmarks (menu) - Manage Bookmarks (menu item) - Quick Searches (on left side of manage bookmarks screen) - New Bookmark (toolbar button) Name: M3 Digest Search Location: http://search.yahoo.com/search?dups=1&p=inurl%3Abmw-m.net%2Fdigest+%s Keyword: m3 Then you can just type "m3 ground control" into the location/URL bar of the browser, and it will run the special search for you! -zs (Yahoo pays the bills!) --- Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:47:58 -0700 > From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> > Subject: how do you search the archives? > > Folks am I missing something here? How do you search the archives? > I > don't see a search button anywhere. > > Can someone give me some tips? I know the archives are here: > http://www.bmw-m.net/Digest/ > > But I can't figure out how to search them without going thru each one > of > them. PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A WAY TO SEARCH! =D > > Thanks! > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Stock Sway diameters? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:57:15 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Stock Sway diameters? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Maller" <neil.maller@gte.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: Stock Sway diameters? > I've heard that too but the data I've seen up to now doesn't appear to > support it. The E36 front struts give negative camber gain right until > they > run out of travel, although struts do funny things to the roll centre > height. Furthermore the -Mod guys are using very stiff springs compared > with > us regular guys, so the relative effect of any super-big bar is much > reduced > for them. > The E36 front suspension does gain camber, but not as much as a double A-Arm would, and the roll center drops too fast. So there is some benifit to a large bar. > So what's the OD/ID of the GC front? We can calculate the effective > diameter. > I have the Ground-Control bar. I had Eibach before that. The Ground-Control bar is a very nice bar with a lot of adjustment since it's slide adjustable over 4". On full soft, the numbers work out to about a 25-26mm solid bar. On full stiff, it's like a 29mm bar. The actual OD I think was 1.25", or 32mm. So it behaves like a 25-29mm bar depending on how you set it up. I'm running mine stiffer that the 26mm Eibach, and that works out well for AutoX use. I would guess I'm on a setting close to a 28mm solid bar. All the local SCCA STU M3's that I autoX with in So Calif. are running the Ground-Control front bar (5 that I know of). Chris 97 M3/4
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Stock Sway diameters? - from Rex Tener
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:10:25 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Stock Sway diameters? At 09:57 PM 7/26/2006, Chris Teague wrote: >The actual OD I think was 1.25", or 32mm. So it behaves like a >25-29mm bar depending on how you set it up. I'm running mine >stiffer that the 26mm Eibach, and that works out well for AutoX use. >I would guess I'm on a setting close to a 28mm solid bar. All the >local SCCA STU M3's that I autoX with in So Calif. are running the >Ground-Control front bar (5 that I know of). On my now gone STU M3, I ran the H&R M3 front bar (28 mm) and the H&R 325is rear bar (21 mm). Rex
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#9. FRONT CONTROL ARMS - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:08:43 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: FRONT CONTROL ARMS Group - My wife's 328 has a clunk in the front suspension that can be felt in the steering wheel when applying and releasing the brakes when nearly stopped. My uneducated guess is ball joints or control arm bushings. Am I close? Chassis has 111K. I know the ball joints are different between the M arms and the non-M arms, the non-M arm ball joints are rubber isolated, correct? So my final question is - Can I use the more robust M arms on the 328? Is the geometry the same?. TIA Kim L Burgess
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#10. E36 Euro engine harness needed - from James Clay
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:44:13 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: E36 Euro engine harness needed Anyone have one? Price? James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com http://www.powerflexusa.com Race Proven BMW Performance 877.639.9648