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#1. Re: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:11:44 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue > I spoke with the guys at Bimmerworld and they stated > that the HPS is a known tight fit when using new > rotors with these pads. They suggested to continue > driving the car, finish the bed-in procedure and > everything should no longer bind. From my experience the Bimmerworld guys know what they are talking about. I would do as instructed. -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#2. Re: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue - from Lawrence Barbieri
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:51 -0400 From: "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> Subject: Re: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue > > Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS > pads being too thick when installed with a new set of > rotors? > Matt, I had the same problem with a new set of Hawk Ceramics on brand new Euro Floating rotors. I was afraid that the excessive heat from the constant friction would destroy the rotors. I took them off and put on an old set of rotors that were worn down a bit. Then I drove the car like that until I wore off some the pad material. Eventually, it all worked. But honestly, I think Hawk has a problem with their manufacturing making these pads too thick for the car. I have had other friends tell me they have had similar issues with Hawk pads. I love the damn things, but please Hawk if you're listening check your specs and Q.C. Larry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:21:59 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue I have the Hawk HPS pads on my wife's M Roadster, both front and rear. The rear were a little tight with new rotors. The fronts were fine but I cut the rotors so they were actually thinner. The fronts on my 540 with new rotors were a little tight but not enough to slow the car down. Paul L Fisher 2000 540i 6 E39 M62 TU Titanium Silver Metallic 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Weimer [mailto:mjweimer@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:37 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <mjweimer@yahoo.com> Subject: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue I tried posting this the other day but the server was down: Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS pads being too thick when installed with a new set of rotors? I just installed the above with a new pair of Brembo rotors and 3 stops into the bedding procedure the hot brake smell was overwhelming. I did notice while installing that it took more force than usual to get the caliper over the rotor to the point of needing a rubber hammer. I assumed the rotor just was not seated perfectly and installing the wheel would square everything up...apparently not. On the way back to the house the car was noticeably slowing on its own while coasting in neutral. The calipers are freshly rebuilt (pistons were beautiful), the soft lines are new Stop-Tech's and the system was bled and flushed very carefully. I spoke with the guys at Bimmerworld and they stated that the HPS is a known tight fit when using new rotors with these pads. They suggested to continue driving the car, finish the bed-in procedure and everything should no longer bind. I am worried about trashing new parts by generating too much heat since the brakes are essentially dragging. Thoughts? Matt '95 M3 with blue tinted rotors __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install - from Resener, Kurt
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:05:09 -0500 From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Now that's a tip! Thanks Jim! I know it isn't the lightweight version, but am wondering if it is the stock one that was offered on our cars. Friend that I got it from had two; one off of his son's totaled '98 328is, the other off his son's '97 M3. Now they were both identical, I took the one from the 328is because the color more closely matched my avus blue and if it ever got chipped after I get it painted to match my car the chip color wouldn't look so bad. So given the above, I guess the rear spoilers on the e36 M3's were not specific to M3's? Used on lesser models as well? Kurt Resener '95 M3 (soon to be winged..) -----Original Message----- From: NabliLaw [mailto:nabli@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:13 PM To: Resener, Kurt; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Kurt: Which wing do you have? Stock or LTW? If you have the stock kit then get install kit 51 71 2 260 329. IF you have the LTW spoiler then order kit 51 71 2 489 686. These will have the drilling templates etc.... Cheers, Jim E. -----Original Message----- From: Resener, Kurt [mailto:KurtResener@IamMorrison.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:03:23 -0500 From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> Subject: Rear Spoiler Install Came across a good deal on a used spoiler for my '95 coupe. Thought it'd be a cinch to install, just drill four holes and bolt her on.... Wrong. Anyone have any suggestions on how to mark and drill the holes in the proper spot, and then how to handle the underside of the deck lid where I'm guessing I'll have to drill a larger hole? Thanks! Kurt J. Resener DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named person(s) only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please forward to postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the subject and then delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of the information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Thank you. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named person(s) only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please forward to postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the subject and then delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of the information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Thank you.
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#5. Injector's offered for cleaning - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:49:46 -0700 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Injector's offered for cleaning About 6 months ago a very kind person on this list gave me a set of injectors for next to nothing and I had them cleaned and installed them in my car. I would like to offer up the set that came from my '95 for another person on this list to be able to do the same without downtime. If you want them to have them cleaned they are yours for the price of shipping...but please...only take them if you intend on actually having them cleaned..I don't want to see them on eBay ;-) So...first person that chimes in and will put them to good use can have them for shipping costs. FWIW, I had a slight pinging problem and having my injectors cleaned fixed it. I suspect that at least one of these injectors is flowing a lot less than normal. I also think that one might be leaking, but this can usually be fixed with cleaning. I use http://www.witchhunter.com for all my injector cleaning. If I get my injectors to them on a Tuesday the usually do them right away and I have them back on Friday. They are in Washington and I am in SoCal...they send them out USPS priority for free. They are a few bucks more per injector than a few other places but I have been using these guys for about 6 years and they have never let me down or had my injectors for more than 48 hours. I highly suggest them. Nice folks, no affiliation, just a happy customer. Anyway...if you want these just email me directly. Also available for So Cal pickup. Dave
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#6. Need some struts on the cheap - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:05:29 -0700 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Need some struts on the cheap Our '95 M3 just turned over 100K and the last 95K of it were put on the car about 7 years ago. Since I have been driving it (got it with 92K) all of the 'wear' items have been failing real quick...and the struts have just become useless. Pretty sure they are original as everything else on the car is. Does anyone have any struts they want to part with? For the next few months I have more time than money (damn IRS..forgot I did not file in '96) so some used struts are sounding real good about now ;-) Let me know off-list if you have something I can use..stock or otherwise is cool with me at this point...current struts are just along for the ride... BTW: I have a fair amount of E30 goodies that may interest someone if they are looking for a trade...nothing exotic but lots of new and near new spares. Dave
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue - from Peter Loron
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:05:01 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue I recently (~4 wks) put a set of Hawk Ceramics and rotors (Brembo blanks in front and Zimmerman blanks in the rear) in my 98 M3. No problems with them being too thick. Snug yes, but no more so than the other times I've done pads and rotors on other cars. Maybe I got a set of rotors and pads that happend to be at the thin end of the bell curve... -Pete On 8/1/06, Lawrence Barbieri <larry@logicalconclusions.com> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:51 -0400 > From: "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> > Subject: Re: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue > > > > > Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS > > pads being too thick when installed with a new set of > > rotors? > > > Matt, > > I had the same problem with a new set of Hawk Ceramics on brand new Euro > Floating rotors. I was afraid that the excessive heat from the constant > friction would destroy the rotors. I took them off and put on an old set > of > rotors that were worn down a bit. Then I drove the car like that until I > wore off some the pad material. Eventually, it all worked. But honestly, > I > think Hawk has a problem with their manufacturing making these pads too > thick for the car. I have had other friends tell me they have had similar > issues with Hawk pads. I love the damn things, but please Hawk if you're > listening check your specs and Q.C. > > Larry > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 07:46:01 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue How about filing/sanding down the pad some? -----Original Message----- From: Matt Weimer [mailto:mjweimer@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:37 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <mjweimer@yahoo.com> Subject: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue I tried posting this the other day but the server was down: Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS pads being too thick when installed with a new set of rotors? I just installed the above with a new pair of Brembo rotors and 3 stops into the bedding procedure the hot brake smell was overwhelming. I did notice while installing that it took more force than usual to get the caliper over the rotor to the point of needing a rubber hammer. I assumed the rotor just was not seated perfectly and installing the wheel would square everything up...apparently not. On the way back to the house the car was noticeably slowing on its own while coasting in neutral. The calipers are freshly rebuilt (pistons were beautiful), the soft lines are new Stop-Tech's and the system was bled and flushed very carefully. I spoke with the guys at Bimmerworld and they stated that the HPS is a known tight fit when using new rotors with these pads. They suggested to continue driving the car, finish the bed-in procedure and everything should no longer bind. I am worried about trashing new parts by generating too much heat since the brakes are essentially dragging. Thoughts? Matt '95 M3 with blue tinted rotors __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. RE: Front brake pad and/or rotor issu - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:13:58 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Front brake pad and/or rotor issu Matt, You should be fine. Infact I would take the car out and have both feet (gas and brakes) on at the same time till you get some space built up. It will take about a good mile or two on the highway, but after that, you should be all set. Been there and done that. A.L. -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <mjweimer@yahoo.com> Subject: Front brake pad and/or rotor issue I tried posting this the other day but the server was down: Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS pads being too thick when installed with a new set of rotors? I just installed the above with a new pair of Brembo rotors and 3 stops into the bedding procedure the hot brake smell was overwhelming. I did notice while installing that it took more force than usual to get the caliper over the rotor to the point of needing a rubber hammer. I assumed the rotor just was not seated perfectly and installing the wheel would square everything up...apparently not. On the way back to the house the car was noticeably slowing on its own while coasting in neutral. The calipers are freshly rebuilt (pistons were beautiful), the soft lines are new Stop-Tech's and the system was bled and flushed very carefully. I spoke with the guys at Bimmerworld and they stated that the HPS is a known tight fit when using new rotors with these pads. They suggested to continue driving the car, finish the bed-in procedure and everything should no longer bind. I am worried about trashing new parts by generating too much heat since the brakes are essentially dragging. Thoughts? Matt '95 M3 with blue tinted rotors
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install - from NabliLaw
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:09:35 -0400 From: "NabliLaw" <nabli@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Kurt: Actually there are two different Motorsport wings for the E36 M3. I am not talking about the LTW wing. The sedan and coupe wings are different but use the same mounting kit. They look very similar but the coupe wing has a slight curve to it and the sedan wing is flat. Most people who added the wing to a regular 3 series back then never knew about the differences in wings and neither did most dealers. So it's possible you have the sedan wing. They are all interchangeable so it makes no difference. It's just a look. http://www.bmwmregistry.com/detail.php?id=4004 vs. http://www.bmwmregistry.com/detail.php?id=1364 To my knowledge the spoiler option was only offered on the M3s. The wing on that white sedan was not installed at the factory though. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Resener, Kurt [mailto:KurtResener@IamMorrison.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:05:09 -0500 From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Now that's a tip! Thanks Jim! I know it isn't the lightweight version, but am wondering if it is the stock one that was offered on our cars. Friend that I got it from had two; one off of his son's totaled '98 328is, the other off his son's '97 M3. Now they were both identical, I took the one from the 328is because the color more closely matched my avus blue and if it ever got chipped after I get it painted to match my car the chip color wouldn't look so bad. So given the above, I guess the rear spoilers on the e36 M3's were not specific to M3's? Used on lesser models as well? Kurt Resener '95 M3 (soon to be winged..) -----Original Message----- From: NabliLaw [mailto:nabli@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:13 PM To: Resener, Kurt; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Kurt: Which wing do you have? Stock or LTW? If you have the stock kit then get install kit 51 71 2 260 329. IF you have the LTW spoiler then order kit 51 71 2 489 686. These will have the drilling templates etc.... Cheers, Jim E. -----Original Message----- From: Resener, Kurt [mailto:KurtResener@IamMorrison.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Rear Spoiler Install Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:03:23 -0500 From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> Subject: Rear Spoiler Install Came across a good deal on a used spoiler for my '95 coupe. Thought it'd be a cinch to install, just drill four holes and bolt her on.... Wrong. Anyone have any suggestions on how to mark and drill the holes in the proper spot, and then how to handle the underside of the deck lid where I'm guessing I'll have to drill a larger hole? Thanks! Kurt J. Resener DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named person(s) only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please forward to postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the subject and then delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of the information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Thank you. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named person(s) only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please forward to postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the subject and then delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of the information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Thank you. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************