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#1. Re: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues Paul, All, I have the same issue - or similar - with both kits that I installed. My E36 & my wife's E46. I just got off the phone with TC Kline. Adam suggested tightening the rear shock to the shock mount. Specifically, he said that the washers should be "just about touching" the actual metal part of the shock mount. He said that people regularly tighten the shocks to the RSMs to a point where they think they're "tight enough" but they need to be tighter. Curious, I went out to the garage, pulled my trunk apart, and went to town. Guess what.... That was it. No more clicking, knocking, rattling or whatever you want to call it. Give it a try. I hope it solves your problem, too. -jeff 98 ///Sedan (wife -> 05 ///M3) Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:16:05 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" Subject: 2 suspension noise issues The other issue is not as simple. I bought a used TC Kline double adjustable coilover system from somebody on BimmerForums recently, and it's not making me happy. The rear shocks make a knock or click noise whenever they change direction. They aren't bottoming, this is on normal small motions in everyday driving. The shock mounts are Ground Control, I took them apart and they look OK. The chassis mount points are fine. The rear shocks are yellow, and have Pro-Parts stickers on them, but someone told me that Pro-Parts used to make bits for TC Kline. Is this noise just a sign that the shocks are worn out and need to be rebuilt? The PO claimed they were rebuilt at last year's Solo Nationals (didn't mention who rebuilt them, perhaps that's why the Pro-Parts sticker is there). He also specifically told me the system is silent, but I've found a post of his from earlier this year asking about this very problem, so I'm not happy about that, either. I found a few references to rear shock noise on the TCK D/A shocks, but no resolution. I haven't talked to TCK yet, but I will. Does anyone have this issue, and have you found a solution? Thank you, Paul Andrews # 42 STU Alpine M3/4 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.
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#2. RE: Gas Smell! Figured it out! (I hope!) - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:35:11 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Gas Smell! Figured it out! (I hope!) Technically speaking, you are correct. The leak you have found IS outside the passenger compartment or outside the car. You could access this area by dropping the tank from under the car....or from under the passenger rear seat as you have found. But the leak IS outside the passenger compartment. KLBurgess - no gas smell yet... -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:08:43 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Gas Smell! Figured it out! (I hope!) Ok folks, you guys are going to publicly flog me for this. You guys were right and I was wrong! =P (hmmm, does that sound familiar for those of you who are married?) The fuel smell was coming from OUTSIDE the car and hence I didn't think the leak was from the inside. I took out the rear seat per everyone's suggestion. I took the cover off on the passenger side. Nothing, just a lot of dust, though it does look like someone was there before because it has the "screw type" of hose clamps (worm gear I believe it's called). I took the cover off the driver's side, DING DING DING DING. There's a pool of fuel there. The question now is, what do I replace? I didn't take the hoses off nor did I start the car to see where it's leaking. It's dark out, and I don't feel like blowing my garage up. Any hints? Is the driver's side the pump or the sender? This list and its members are the best! I would never have guessed to look there simply based on where the smell was originating from. =D Now help me figure out what to replace and how to replace it! =P Thanks! -kelvin
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Poseurs for the M name - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:54:21 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poseurs for the M name Carey, I've seen a few actual M cars with the solid silver ///M logo too, I think it's just something you can buy either from a dealer or aftermarket source to replace the original M logo. I don't like it much either, but at least it's something unique... Brian build 8/95 On 8/4/06, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:04:24 -0400 > From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: Poseurs for the M name > > I just ran across what I thought was an M poseur, an E46 325 with the > ///M insignia. > > On closer look the ///M was not either an M or M3/M5 badge but a dealer > badge but without the colors on the ///M, just silver. > > Anyone familiar with this dealer? Looks pretty tacky to me and I can't > remember the dealer name. > > Want to make sure I never use their deceptive? practices. > > thanks. > > Carey > > -- > > > > Carey Probst > > '99M3 daily driver > > '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed > > > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#4. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] overflow tank :( - from Mark D
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:58:21 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] overflow tank :( It's interesting, I've had basically the same problems at basically the same age, but with more than double the miles. I guess this proves that if you're not concerned about resale value much, get out and drive your baby. I guess BMW's age and don't feel miles as much. Mark On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 16:47 -0500, stiles_s wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:38:09 -0700 > From: "stiles_s" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] overflow tank :( > > Thanks all. Bought a tank from the stealer over lunch and will find some > time over the weekend to do the job. > > I guess I'll do the fuel filter at the same time -- in the spirit of > spilling stuff on the garage floor. Car is starting really roughly lately -- > I'm hoping the fuel filter has something to do w/it. Also feels like leaky > injectors. > > This list is a great resource by the way -- super high signal/noise. Without > the commiserating that goes on here I probably would have already dumped the > M3 for a GTI or an RS4. Had to drive the backup/family car this morning, > which really annoys me :) (Honda Pilot). > > Thanks again, > Scott. > > For fun, here's the maintenance list for the last 9mos: '97 M3/2, 88k miles. > Purchased ~9mos ago. Since then: all fluids, full suspension refurbish > including bilsteins, RSMs, RTABs, control arms/bushings; full (almost) > cooling system refurbish (radiator, thermostat, hoses; housing); under-tray; > front wheel bearings and rotors/pads; "fixed" the PS leak; cdv delete/flush; > brake flush; full tie rods; front oxy sensors; x-brace; ZKWs; conforti > intake; BBS RGRs; ... holy crap. > > Known looming issues: Clutch (and the shift-lever-gasket and bushings); > steering rack; ps tank and filter, and hoses; ... Ugh. > > Maybe buying a 10yr old M3 *wasn't* cheaper than keeping my 996. That's a > little depressing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:17 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] overflow tank :( > > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:13:49 -0700 > From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] overflow tank :( > > you don't need to remove the fan shroud. It is possible to remove the > expansion tank and loosing a bit of coolant by > > 1) clamping off the lower hose that terminates at the bottom of the > expansion tank. > > 2) use something to siphon out the water from the expansion tank > > 3) The tank is held in place by the bleed screw (stoopid design) and the > lower hose. remove bleed screw - don't break the fitting it's in. > > 4) remove small hose > > 5) remove lower hose (some water will pour out) > > 6) remove tank > > replace is reverse. > > At least it was that way yesterday when I did it on the race car. > > Note the lower hose clamp can be a PITA to get to and may require removal of > the fan shroud. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Howton [mailto:jhowton@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:47 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] overflow tank :( > > > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:11 -0500 > From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] overflow tank :( > > > Question is: are there any shortcuts to this job? Can I replace the > overflow tank without: > > - draining all of the coolant > > Yes, you don't need to drain it all, just let the radiator drain into a > clean bucket and then re-use it. > > > - removing the radiator > > The radiator does not need to come out. > > > - removing the fan > > You will need to remove the fan so that the fan shroud can be pulled > partially out, the overflow tank is attached to the shroud. > > It's less than a one hour job including bleeding the cooling system again. > > -- > Jamie Howton > 2006 M Roadster > 2000 M5 > 1995 M3 > Hampshire, IL > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High > Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High > Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Poseurs for the M name - from Rex Tener
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:03:46 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poseurs for the M name At 09:57 AM 8/4/2006, Brian Ruiz wrote: >I've seen a few actual M cars with the solid silver ///M logo too, I think >it's just something you can buy either from a dealer or aftermarket source >to replace the original M logo. I believe it is actually the stock "M" badge with the vinyl ///M colors removed. Rex
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: Gas Smell! Figured it out! (I hope!) - from Kelvin
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:28:58 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Gas Smell! Figured it out! (I hope!) Think I'll take up smoking while working on this one. I all of a sudden have a desire to smoke! For those of you in the Bay Area, if you don't see me posting about the results, then you should check the news to see if I'm getting my 15mins of fame! :-P I need to order the parts now. So, looking at this: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BF93&mospid=47486&btnr=16_0317&hg=16&fg=15 I only need Items #2 and the rubber ring/gasket correct? Also, anyone know what that service bulletin refers to? My tank is FULL too. I need to either drive around or siphon some gas into my wife's car. TIA! -kelvin PS: worm-drive clamps are the type you "screw" in to tighten correct? Jim Bassett wrote: > On Thu, August 3, 2006 9:17 pm, Kelvin said: > >> The question now is, what do I replace? I didn't take the hoses off nor >> did I start the car to see where it's leaking. It's dark out, and I >> don't feel like blowing my garage up. >> > > Stop worrying, you're not going to blow up your garage :-) > > >> Any hints? Is the driver's side >> the pump or the sender? >> > > IIRC, the driver's side is a sender only (pump is on the pass. side). > > If they aren't already, make sure you use worm-drive hose clamps, just > like the other side. > > I would definitely replace the rubber gasket (as I mentioned before :-)); > there's also a possibility the plastic nipples the hoses slide over on the > sender unit have cracked - remove the hoses and inspect. > > >> Now help me figure out what to replace and how to replace it! =P >> > > Well, we've given you things to check/look for. Time to get your hands > dirty! :-) > > Jim Bassett - BTDT, several times :-) > > > >
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#7. RE: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:24:46 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues I just tried this......no dice. Still have a solid knock, still seems to be more left than right. Jeff, are your kits Single or double adjustable? -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Conner [mailto:jeff.conner@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:04 PM To: Paul Andrews; E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues Paul, All, I have the same issue - or similar - with both kits that I installed. My E36 & my wife's E46. I just got off the phone with TC Kline. Adam suggested tightening the rear shock to the shock mount. Specifically, he said that the washers should be "just about touching" the actual metal part of the shock mount. He said that people regularly tighten the shocks to the RSMs to a point where they think they're "tight enough" but they need to be tighter. Curious, I went out to the garage, pulled my trunk apart, and went to town. Guess what.... That was it. No more clicking, knocking, rattling or whatever you want to call it. Give it a try. I hope it solves your problem, too. -jeff 98 ///Sedan (wife -> 05 ///M3)
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Poseurs for the M name - from Carey Probst
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:27:58 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poseurs for the M name No, it was definitely a dealer logo, apparently Momentum out of Houston. It had the dealer name at the bottom but I couldn't remember who the dealer was. Carey Brian Ruiz wrote: > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:54:21 -0700 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poseurs for the M name > > Carey, > > I've seen a few actual M cars with the solid silver ///M logo too, I think > it's just something you can buy either from a dealer or aftermarket source > to replace the original M logo. I don't like it much either, but at least > it's something unique... > > Brian > build 8/95 > > > On 8/4/06, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:04:24 -0400 >> From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> >> Subject: Poseurs for the M name >> >> I just ran across what I thought was an M poseur, an E46 325 with the >> ///M insignia. >> >> On closer look the ///M was not either an M or M3/M5 badge but a dealer >> badge but without the colors on the ///M, just silver. >> >> Anyone familiar with this dealer? Looks pretty tacky to me and I can't >> remember the dealer name. >> >> Want to make sure I never use their deceptive? practices. >> >> thanks. >> >> Carey >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Carey Probst >> >> '99M3 daily driver >> >> '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed >> >> >> >> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, >> >> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> >> >> > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#9. RE: Gas Smell! Figured it out! (I hope!) - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:58:20 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: RE: Gas Smell! Figured it out! (I hope!) In a message dated 8/4/06 12:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, mpower@obikwan.com writes: My tank is FULL too. I need to either drive around or siphon some gas into my wife's car. Actually, an empty gas tank is more dangerous than a full tank. It is the gasoline fumes or vapor that will ignite, not the liquid gasoline. You can put out a fire with gasoline (do NOT try this at home :-) It may seem scary working near gasoline but unless you do something really silly, you will all right. Don't try to make any great sparks. You are working on plastic so you shouldn't have any sparks anyway. You might work on your tank in the open with the rear doors open to have plenty of ventilation. Don't open up the tank and then let it sit open for several hours before you start working because that will give the gasoline time to vaporize and create fumes. Remember - gasoline fumes are what ignite. Nice knowing you. <vbg> Lowell Seaton '95 M3
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#10. RE: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:06:03 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues Bilstein, bilstein, bilstein. Paul if my PSS9 are suddenly missing from my garage I know where to find them :) Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Paul Andrews [mailto:emosound@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:27 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:24:46 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues I just tried this......no dice. Still have a solid knock, still seems to be more left than right. Jeff, are your kits Single or double adjustable? -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Conner [mailto:jeff.conner@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:04 PM To: Paul Andrews; E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2 suspension noise issues Paul, All, I have the same issue - or similar - with both kits that I installed. My E36 & my wife's E46. I just got off the phone with TC Kline. Adam suggested tightening the rear shock to the shock mount. Specifically, he said that the washers should be "just about touching" the actual metal part of the shock mount. He said that people regularly tighten the shocks to the RSMs to a point where they think they're "tight enough" but they need to be tighter. Curious, I went out to the garage, pulled my trunk apart, and went to town. Guess what.... That was it. No more clicking, knocking, rattling or whatever you want to call it. Give it a try. I hope it solves your problem, too. -jeff 98 ///Sedan (wife -> 05 ///M3) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************