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#1. [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:52:06 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers > > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM > > Okay, and what about generic fenders, my guess is nothing. Can either > the DotR or vin sticker be peeled off? Has anybody ever tried it? My > guess is its sorta designed to self destruct so as to prevent fraudently > passing off a generic POS fender for an OEM one. They are used so one can determine if the item is original or a replacement. Here is further information: http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/all_vin_chart2.gif Regardless, the law requiring DOT-R stickers I believe expired and/or wasn't renewed so in today's world, you either have an original panel with the original VIN sticker or you don't. I just QC'd my M at the body shop and pointed this out, want to make > sure if I should push the issue further, or try to get the sticker off > old fender. The shop is an approved bmw repair facility, and I am very > confident they used bmw parts. They have an excellent reputation in the > area. Its anal I know to ask for the sticker, but these are the things > people look for being bmw fanatics like me. Right now the missing > sticker is the only cue that cosmetic work was done. So you want to be able to defraud someone into believing that the fender you had replaced is purportedly original? I really don't think that is what you are suggesting but it sure sounds like it. Classic Coach in Ambler PA did a fantastic job, I paid a little extra to > get the freckles and make the car perfect again, but well worth it!!! Freckles? As flawless as after factory body work can be even dummying down the app > of paint to match the factory's "hardly noticeable" orange peel, truly > amazing work!!!! Well, then there is nothing to be concerned about if the work is good. Someone looking for a completely original car with all original parts and no damage history will just need to keep looking though and shouldn't be fooled into thinking your car was never damaged. I personally don't care what stickers are or aren't on the car, if a part was replaced, I look at the quality of that work. I'd rather have a fender that was replaced in a stellar fashion than one that was pounded straight/bondoed and then painted but still had the original VIN sticker. Regards, Rich
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers - from Bob Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:56:55 -0700 From: "Bob Vaughn" <bob_vaughn@telestream.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers I had heard that you can get these stickers if you go through the proper channels. A couple years ago I hit a deer and had my hood and front fender replaced with BMW "DOT R" parts. I inquired with the body shop about getting stickers with the VIN on them and indeed they said it is possible and that they would do it. Well... Two years later and I still don't have them. I've checked back several times and they say all their requests were unanswered. They tried but couldn't get them. I've given up pursuing it. I don't think you could peel them off -- they're like the stickers on your license plates. -- Bob '95 M3 > Maybe you've never noticed, but the fenders have little black stickers > on lip inside engine compartment evidencing a match to vin. Can these > be purchased, and /or recycled from old fender?
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#3. Re: CRE: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers - from Jason Knight
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CRE: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers I think the objective of the stickers is to signify original panels, not original equipment panels. If you wanted the original panels you could have had them reworked so that they were indeed original. Original equipment panels should be as good as the ones that were krinkled and are now in the scrap heap. To my mind, the only reason to try to migrate the stickers from the old panels to the new is to mask evidence of the accident. Unless of course I was working until midnight, was kept awake by dog and cats all night, and was back at work by seven, having discovered at 6:30 that the milk was turned and ruined my cup of joe, and am now missing some other reason for sticker movement. Jason --- "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:02:05 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: CRE: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers > > Okay, and what about generic fenders, my guess is > nothing. Can either > the DotR or vin sticker be peeled off? Has anybody > ever tried it? My > guess is its sorta designed to self destruct so as > to prevent fraudently > passing off a generic POS fender for an OEM one. > > I just QC'd my M at the body shop and pointed this > out, want to make > sure if I should push the issue further, or try to > get the sticker off > old fender. The shop is an approved bmw repair > facility, and I am very > confident they used bmw parts. They have an > excellent reputation in the > area. Its anal I know to ask for the sticker, but > these are the things > people look for being bmw fanatics like me. Right > now the missing > sticker is the only cue that cosmetic work was done. > The manager said > they have found Mercedes vin stickers for body > panels in the past. > > Classic Coach in Ambler PA did a fantastic job, I > paid a little extra to > get the freckles and make the car perfect again, but > well worth it!!! > As flawless as after factory body work can be even > dummying down the app > of paint to match the factory's "hardly noticeable" > orange peel, truly > amazing work!!!! > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: cteague@cox.net [mailto:cteague@cox.net] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:41 PM > To: Goss, Patrick - PA; E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers > > Replacement fenders should have a "DOT-R" sticker, > showing that it is a > replacement fender. That's one way to tell if they > have been replaced. > > Chris > > - > > > > Maybe you've never noticed, but the fenders have > little black stickers > > on lip inside engine compartment evidencing a > match to vin. Can these > > be purchased, and /or recycled from old fender? > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:36:41 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers Thanks for the info Rich, no I wouldn't think of trying to defraud the car is original. Fact of the matter this is an insurance claim and thus can be traced, so the damage to resale is already done. I think what we all should (and most do) is document the before and after thoroughly, so as the next owner can see the extent of damage prior. There is a big difference between cosmetic replacement of parts and required replacement. Once a car is repaired unfortunately you can't really detect what the degree of damage any longer without some prior picture damage evidence. Parking lot damage and moving hard impact damage to fender after repair look the same when fixed, (example as disclosed with dotR fender). My point is to document. I've done this and it will go along with the car if one day (god forbid) I decide to sell. Reason I personally asked about sticker is so I know if I should make a point with shop. Freckles = stone chips. So I just got a nose job and derma-brasion in plastic surgery terms (thanks discovery channel). Mine was only surface so really an outpatient treatment plan to make her look young again and that she certainly does :). Now if could just get her implants :) Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Rich Dorffer [mailto:E36M3Digest@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 2:57 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:52:06 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers > > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM > > Okay, and what about generic fenders, my guess is nothing. Can either > the DotR or vin sticker be peeled off? Has anybody ever tried it? My > guess is its sorta designed to self destruct so as to prevent fraudently > passing off a generic POS fender for an OEM one. They are used so one can determine if the item is original or a replacement. Here is further information: http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/all_vin_chart2.gif Regardless, the law requiring DOT-R stickers I believe expired and/or wasn't renewed so in today's world, you either have an original panel with the original VIN sticker or you don't. I just QC'd my M at the body shop and pointed this out, want to make > sure if I should push the issue further, or try to get the sticker off > old fender. The shop is an approved bmw repair facility, and I am very > confident they used bmw parts. They have an excellent reputation in the > area. Its anal I know to ask for the sticker, but these are the things > people look for being bmw fanatics like me. Right now the missing > sticker is the only cue that cosmetic work was done. So you want to be able to defraud someone into believing that the fender you had replaced is purportedly original? I really don't think that is what you are suggesting but it sure sounds like it. Classic Coach in Ambler PA did a fantastic job, I paid a little extra to > get the freckles and make the car perfect again, but well worth it!!! Freckles? As flawless as after factory body work can be even dummying down the app > of paint to match the factory's "hardly noticeable" orange peel, truly > amazing work!!!! Well, then there is nothing to be concerned about if the work is good. Someone looking for a completely original car with all original parts and no damage history will just need to keep looking though and shouldn't be fooled into thinking your car was never damaged. I personally don't care what stickers are or aren't on the car, if a part was replaced, I look at the quality of that work. I'd rather have a fender that was replaced in a stellar fashion than one that was pounded straight/bondoed and then painted but still had the original VIN sticker. Regards, Rich ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:25:15 -0700 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers Nope. They are used to identify a replaced part vs. original. If you ever replace a part, the new one will have an OEM generic sticker. Doors, hood, trunk, etc. have these also. Helps identify if a car has eve been hit. My car has had the fender replaced. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:34:33 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: Fender vin number stickers > > Maybe you've never noticed, but the fenders have little black stickers > on lip inside engine compartment evidencing a match to vin. Can these > be purchased, and /or recycled from old fender? > > > > Patrick Goss > > 97 M3/4 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers - from NabliLaw
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:54:27 -0400 From: "NabliLaw" <nabli@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers Actually you can get them but you would need to know someone who knows someone who then knows someone else at BMW NA. BMW is not in the business of giving these little stickers out so as to prevent, in part, body shop fraud. I.e., a shop claiming the car was never in an accident or "re-vining" a stolen car etc.... To my knowledge (based on hearsay) they usually come in a set for the car and include all the stickers but I don't see why you couldn't get individual one's. Certain shops that do OE work or work at the port can get them I believe. I don't think newer BMW's come with these any longer so it's becoming a dead issue. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Vaughn [mailto:bob_vaughn@telestream.net] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 3:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:56:55 -0700 From: "Bob Vaughn" <bob_vaughn@telestream.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fender vin number stickers I had heard that you can get these stickers if you go through the proper channels. A couple years ago I hit a deer and had my hood and front fender replaced with BMW "DOT R" parts. I inquired with the body shop about getting stickers with the VIN on them and indeed they said it is possible and that they would do it. Well... Two years later and I still don't have them. I've checked back several times and they say all their requests were unanswered. They tried but couldn't get them. I've given up pursuing it. I don't think you could peel them off -- they're like the stickers on your license plates. -- Bob '95 M3 > Maybe you've never noticed, but the fenders have little black stickers > on lip inside engine compartment evidencing a match to vin. Can these > be purchased, and /or recycled from old fender? ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7.Passenger side door trim strip - from Matt Weimer
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <mjweimer@yahoo.com> Subject: <WTB> Passenger side door trim strip Hello Group, I am looking for a good used door trim strip for the passenger side of my '95 M3. I guess this would also be referred to as the exterior molding, rub strip, etc. I would also entertain purchasing both sides if you have a set and do not want to separate. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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#8. Zionsville radiator and EMP water pump - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:34:17 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Zionsville radiator and EMP water pump Hey all - Had a couple of questions for you (I believe I mentioned some of this a week or two ago). When I turn on the A/C in stop and go traffic in the hot weather here in So Cal lately, the temp gauge slowly creeps to 3/4 mark. I was wondering if I end up changing out the radiator and water pump with the Zionsville unit and Stewart/EMP unit, if there would be any problems with overcooling. It has been about 50K miles on each of those components since the last change, so I guess since I'm having these problems, I should go ahead and change them? Advice appreciated. Thanks, Brian build 8/95
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Zionsville radiator and EMP water pump - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:54:38 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Zionsville radiator and EMP water pump Dave, Thanks for the input. I forgot to mention in the post that my electric fan DOES turn on when I engage the compressor, but I am thinking that the fan clutch actually could be bad. What is a proper way to test it? I hear that if you start the engine, then shut it off right away, if the fan keeps spinning then the clutch is bad. Is this correct? I would think that would only occur if the engine is at full operating temp, since (AFAIK) the clutch locks up progressively more as the temperature creeps up in order to increase the cooling? Thanks, Brian On 8/11/06, Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote: > > On Friday 11 August 2006 9:36 pm, Brian Ruiz wrote: > > Had a couple of questions for you (I believe I mentioned some of this a > > week or two ago). When I turn on the A/C in stop and go traffic in the > hot > > weather here in So Cal lately, the temp gauge slowly creeps to 3/4 > mark. I > > was wondering if I end up changing out the radiator and water pump with > the > > Zionsville unit and Stewart/EMP unit, if there would be any problems > with > > overcooling. It has been about 50K miles on each of those components > since > > the last change, so I guess since I'm having these problems, I should go > > ahead and change them? > > What makes you think that your rad and pump are bad? Have you checked to > see > if your fan clutch and electric fans are working properly? > > Dave >
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#10. For Sale: 1995 M3 - from Scott Spangenberg
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> Subject: For Sale: 1995 M3 Due to several sets of circumstances that have come together at this point in my life, I am selling my 1995 M3. It is an absolutely beautiful car that needs a good home, so I am posting it on several related lists before I resort to the AutoTrader route. Take a look here for the details: http://mbrscca.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1056 There are specs, photos, the VIN, and my contact info. I will be traveling this week for work, but will be monitoring this email and will be available at the phone number listed in the ad. Scott Spangenberg Erie, PA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com