E36M3 #4917

Monday, August 21, 2006 09:07:01

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. RE: [E36M3] Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from M540
#2. Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Neil Maller
#3. Hats? - from Mo Karamat
#4. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: For Sale: 1995 M3 - from Marco
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Mark D
#6. Re: [E36M3] Hats? - from Carguymb@aol.com
#7. ID M and non-M clutch slave? - from Dave Thomas
#8. Re: [E36M3] Hats? - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
#9. Re: startup squeak - from scampbel_imap
#10. RE: Hats? - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#11. CD43 Users Guide? - from K.C. Boyce

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from M540
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:17:23 -0400 From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Supercharger whine w/o supercharger Bingo, I think you've hit it Chris. I replaced the fan clutch in our '95 at the beginning of the summer because it was free-wheeling and it seemed to be affecting AC performance in traffic. The "genuine OEM" clutch I received from a low-price aftermarket vendor looked suspiciously far-eastern and I believe that it stays in the "on" position most of the time. I immediately noticed a strong "supercharger whine" after the new clutch went in (as well as a surprisingly noticeable loss of power). I could be wrong, but I think both are related to the fan clutch. Which reminds me, I need to start looking for a real BMW fan clutch... Kevin -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:29:22 -0500 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Supercharger whine w/o supercharger this is happening to me too, i think. All I can come up with is the fan clutch is stuck in the 'on' position so the fan is running at full lock all the time. but, it is over 100 deg. here (and where you are too, i think).. so.. maybe it thinks it needs to.. Chris ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:46:38 -0500 >From: scrowl@austin.rr.com > >Hi all. My 95 has a whine that sounds similar to a supercharger. I >thought it was a crack in the air intake system at first (air whistling >through the crack), but it seems to be coming from under the valve >covers. Any ideas? > >

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#2. Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Neil Maller
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:47:53 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger on 8/19/06 6:06 PM, "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: > I recently had a bad power steering pump that sounded just like a Super > Charger. If the PS pump reservoir is low on fluid it'll make that supercharger-like whine. And since most of our PS systems leak fluid, that's our cue to top up the level with ATF. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#3. Hats? - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:06:30 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Hats? Dave, Hello. I agree with Jim, I thought the gain was in the 2.5 degree range... You could use the hats + shims.. Good luck Mo -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Hats? On Sat, August 19, 2006 7:06 am, dhogg said: > OK, Ahmed has convinced me that I need to get some 96-98 front strut tower > hats, install and swap them l-r on my 95 IS race car. This should let me > do > away with the shims and still give me better than the 3.0 degrees neg > camber > I've got now. Is that much camber gain specific to the 96+ hats on a 95? Because when I had the hats swapped on the M3 it was about 2 - 2.5 degrees neg, IIRC.

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#4. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: For Sale: 1995 M3 - from Marco
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:43:05 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: For Sale: 1995 M3 damn she's clean. One of the early one's too. Good luck in the sell. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Scott Spangenberg [mailto:cpmustang2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:47 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: For Sale: 1995 M3 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: For Sale: 1995 M3 I have posted the Dyno results at the end of the ad: http://mbrscca.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1056 -Scott Spangenberg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Mark D
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:30:25 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger It sounds to me like in this instance the culprit is the fan clutch. But the PS fluid low noise to me is more of a buzz. It causes buzz in the steering wheel and happens after HARD braking. For a while I thought my ABS was crapping out until I figured out my PS fluid was low. And yeah, every single M3's (and 3xx) PS system I've ever seen leaks so I decided to let mine go :-P Thanks, Mark On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 21:56 -0500, Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:47:53 -0400 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger > > on 8/19/06 6:06 PM, "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: > > > I recently had a bad power steering pump that sounded just like a Super > > Charger. > > If the PS pump reservoir is low on fluid it'll make that supercharger-like > whine. And since most of our PS systems leak fluid, that's our cue to top up > the level with ATF. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Hats? - from Carguymb@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:07:06 EDT From: Carguymb@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Hats? Thanks, Bob, they're still working well! I can confirm Jim's numbers. I got -2 to -2.5 degrees with the swapped hats on my '95. Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 In a message dated 8/19/06 6:08:02 PM, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:48:44 EDT > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Hats? > > In a message dated 8/19/2006 3:37:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jim@jimbassett.com writes: > Might be able to locate "take offs" from someone who has upgraded? > Yep, but timing is everything.  Sold mine to a fellow lister last year after > I installed the TC Kline racing camber plates.  Sorry! > > BTW: 3.5 degrees of front end camber was the best medicine for eliminating > my > understeer pain ;-)) > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & JT-Designs) > Philly Region SCCA > 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion >

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#7. ID M and non-M clutch slave? - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:45:33 -0700 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: ID M and non-M clutch slave? Can anyone tell me what the difference between the M clutch slave cylinder and the non-M cylinder is? Is there anyway to tell them apart at a glance? Thanks, Dave

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Hats? - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:20:01 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Hats? On Sat, August 19, 2006 7:06 am, dhogg said: >> OK, Ahmed has convinced me that I need to get some 96-98 front strut tower >> hats, install and swap them l-r on my 95 IS race car. This should let me >> do away with the shims and still give me better than the 3.0 degrees neg >> camber I've got now. >Is that much camber gain specific to the 96+ hats on a 95? Because when I >had the hats swapped on the M3 it was about 2 - 2.5 degrees neg, IIRC. Guys before this goes further anyone check to make sure this is stock class legal? It would suck to do all this work and then have to go back to the old setup if for some reason it isn't. Anyway just give the ole rule book a quick check is all I'm suggesting, because someone else did it isn't always the right way to go about things. -Carlos 98 M3 left over hats after installing camber plates so they could be for sale if all of this is OK with the rules. :-)

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#9. Re: startup squeak - from scampbel_imap
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:01:51 -0400 From: scampbel_imap <scampbel@mitre.org> Subject: Re: startup squeak My 97 m3 does this when it is cold outside <40 degrees. I traced it down to the secondary air blower. Try unplugging it and see if the noise goes away. I ordered a new one but have not installed it yet. By the way BAV recommends that you replace the secondary air valve at the same time. Steve Campbell > -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 > 14:28:38 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: > start up squeak/groan > > Hi all, > > I *finally* got around to pulling out my ICV last night to clean it > without removing the intake (a bit of a task but very doable, > especially if you have smaller hands). I pulled it out and on top of > discovering a few hoses I need to replace, I was able to spray out > the ICV pretty well (it was DIRTY!) I did this all in hopes of being > rid of an unusual noise I get in the morning. When I put in the key > and and turn it to the ON position (before cranking the engine), I > get a weird combination of a squeak/groan noise. It generally starts > as more of a squeak and then turns into a higher pitched groan. The > sound lasts 1-2 seconds, and I think it seems to happen more often on > mornings when it's colder. I was assuming this noise was the ICV > moving into position once powered on, but now that it's clean, I > realize it wasn't that at all. Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, Brian build 8/95 > > > >

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#10. RE: Hats? - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:00:52 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Hats? Dave, I will be heading over to www.strictly-german.com tomorrow night. That said, I will reserve a set of front hats (off of a 96+) along with the reinforcement plates for you. Typically Bobby sells bone yard functional parts at 50-60% off of list price at the dealer. Jim, regarding the -3.5 camber. I had to remove the front spring pads (upper and lower) to get to the desired camber and rake. Ahmad (the damned Rookie) Lutfeali -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:04:11 -0400 From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> Subject: Hats? OK, Ahmed has convinced me that I need to get some 96-98 front strut tower hats, install and swap them l-r on my 95 IS race car. This should let me do away with the shims and still give me better than the 3.0 degrees neg camber I've got now. Assuming that this is correct, where (besides the stealer) would one go about sourcing said hats? Anybody have a p/n? TIA Dave Hogg #20 IS SECOND at Summit Point to some unknown upstart rookie ; ^ )

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#11. CD43 Users Guide? - from K.C. Boyce
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:05:05 -0400 From: "K.C. Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> Subject: CD43 Users Guide? Sorry for the cross-post, but does anyone have a CD43 user's guide/owner's manual lying around that they'd be willing to part with? I just bought one from a guy on Roadfly and it didn't come with any documentation. FYI, this is more me being anal and wanting to have everything "correct" in the little leather owner's manual book than a need to know how the stereo works. I can figure out how a radio works! KC Boyce '97 M3/4

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