E36M3 #4918

Monday, August 21, 2006 20:46:50

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#1. Re: ID M and non-M clutch slave? - from Neil Maller
#2. RE: [E36M3] Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Christopher Bauer
#3. Re: 32 MM Headset Wrench/Tie Rod/Water Pump Nut - from Burgess, Kim L
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Kent Shephard
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: startup squeak - from Peter Loron
#6. BMW discount parts dealers? - from Dames, Mark A.
#7. Re: [E36M3] BMW discount parts dealers? - from Kent Shephard
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Mark D
#9. Re: [E36M3] BMW discount parts dealers? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
#10. Last chance to save me from the dark side, WTB M3/4 - from docwyte@comcast.net

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#1. Re: ID M and non-M clutch slave? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:27:27 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: ID M and non-M clutch slave? on 8/21/06 10:16 AM, Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the difference between the M clutch slave cylinder and > the non-M cylinder is? The non-M has a smaller cylinder bore. > Is there anyway to tell them apart at a glance? By part number, but maybe not otherwise since they're physically interchangeable. I happen to have a new in the box E36 325i ATE brand clutch slave cylinder if you or anyone else needs one. Cost new was $58.25 plus S&H from PelicanParts, no reasonable offer refused. Neil 96 M3

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Christopher Bauer
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:55:43 -0500 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Supercharger whine w/o supercharger I, too, have noticed a loss of power and 2 mpg lower fuel economy, which furthers my hypothesis. Chris ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:26:34 -0500 >From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> >Bingo, I think you've hit it Chris. I replaced the fan clutch in our '95 at >the beginning of the summer because it was free-wheeling and it seemed to be >affecting AC performance in traffic. The "genuine OEM" clutch I received >from a low-price aftermarket vendor looked suspiciously far-eastern and I >believe that it stays in the "on" position most of the time. I immediately >noticed a strong "supercharger whine" after the new clutch went in (as well >as a surprisingly noticeable loss of power). I could be wrong, but I think >both are related to the fan clutch. Which reminds me, I need to start >looking for a real BMW fan clutch... > >Kevin

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#3. Re: 32 MM Headset Wrench/Tie Rod/Water Pump Nut - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:56:59 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Re: 32 MM Headset Wrench/Tie Rod/Water Pump Nut Mark - Yes that is my plan. Also this wrench fits out tie rod where they attach to the steering rack. I broke my Park chrome plated HS wrench a couple months back replacing a set of tie rods. Chrome plate process is generally not good especially on low ends tools where the time controls are not adhered to, resulting in hydrogen embitterment. KLBurgess -------------------- 4 -------------------- From: "Mark D." <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 32 MM Headset Wrench/Tie Rod/Water Pump Nut Do I understand right that this wrench would be suitable for removing the mechanical radiator fan? Thanks, Mark On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 01:06 -0500, kim.burgess@att.net wrote: Subject: 32 MM Headset Wrench/Tie Rod/Water Pump Nut http://www.icyclesusa.com go to "closeouts" and on second page you should find the following HS Wrench for $4.99. "X-Axis Headset Wrench - X-Axis Tools are made right here in the USA! They are CNC machined from high modulus steel and are Aximite Heat Treated." This wrench is heat treated and measures 13 inches from end-to-end. - KLBurgess

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:00:42 -0700 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger Hi, Mine does the thing after hard braking. Why after hard braking?? Mine does leak. A little, but they all do? So replacing anything short of the whole system is a waste of time I take it. I guess I'll just keep some PS fluid around. 8-( Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:36 PM, Mark D wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:30:25 -0400 > From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger > > It sounds to me like in this instance the culprit is the fan clutch. > But the PS fluid low noise to me is more of a buzz. It causes buzz in > the steering wheel and happens after HARD braking. For a while I > thought my ABS was crapping out until I figured out my PS fluid was > low. > > And yeah, every single M3's (and 3xx) PS system I've ever seen > leaks so > I decided to let mine go :-P > > Thanks, > Mark > > > On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 21:56 -0500, Neil Maller wrote: >> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:47:53 -0400 >> From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> >> Subject: Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger >> >> on 8/19/06 6:06 PM, "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: >> >>> I recently had a bad power steering pump that sounded just like a >>> Super >>> Charger. >> >> If the PS pump reservoir is low on fluid it'll make that >> supercharger-like >> whine. And since most of our PS systems leak fluid, that's our cue >> to top up >> the level with ATF. >> >> Neil >> Fort Wayne, IN >> 96 M3 - Bastard child >> 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic >> 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: startup squeak - from Peter Loron
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:16:06 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: startup squeak Can the secondary blower (the one the runs at startup for a few minutes for smog) be disconnected without making the computer freak and throw codes? Mine howls like a banshee and since it's not actually reducing the total pollution any... -Pete On 8/21/06, scampbel_imap <scampbel@mitre.org> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:01:51 -0400 > From: scampbel_imap <scampbel@mitre.org> > Subject: Re: startup squeak > > My 97 m3 does this when it is cold outside <40 degrees. I traced it down > to the secondary air blower. Try unplugging it and see if the noise > goes away. I ordered a new one but have not installed > it yet. By the way BAV recommends that you replace the secondary air > valve at the same time. > > Steve Campbell > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 > > 14:28:38 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: > > start up squeak/groan > > > > Hi all, > > > > I *finally* got around to pulling out my ICV last night to clean it > > without removing the intake (a bit of a task but very doable, > > especially if you have smaller hands). I pulled it out and on top of > > discovering a few hoses I need to replace, I was able to spray out > > the ICV pretty well (it was DIRTY!) I did this all in hopes of being > > rid of an unusual noise I get in the morning. When I put in the key > > and and turn it to the ON position (before cranking the engine), I > > get a weird combination of a squeak/groan noise. It generally starts > > as more of a squeak and then turns into a higher pitched groan. The > > sound lasts 1-2 seconds, and I think it seems to happen more often on > > mornings when it's colder. I was assuming this noise was the ICV > > moving into position once powered on, but now that it's clean, I > > realize it wasn't that at all. Anyone have any ideas? > > > > Thanks, Brian build 8/95 > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#6. BMW discount parts dealers? - from Dames, Mark A.
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:40:47 -0700 From: "Dames, Mark A." <mdames@pdo.sccgov.org> Subject: BMW discount parts dealers? Where are folks from the West Coast getting their dealer parts from now? I previously used Nick Alexander BMW in L.A. but they've discontinued their BMWCCA discount. I have a power steering leak and suspect I need those million dollar hoses replaced -- again. TIA Mark.

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#7. Re: [E36M3] BMW discount parts dealers? - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:49:48 -0700 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW discount parts dealers? On my E30, I went to a shop that made high pressure hoses. I gave them the hoses off the car. When I cam back they had new hoses. Less than $150. They used the fittings from the old hoses. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Dames, Mark A. wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:40:47 -0700 > From: "Dames, Mark A." <mdames@pdo.sccgov.org> > Subject: BMW discount parts dealers? > > Where are folks from the West Coast getting their dealer parts > from now? I previously used Nick Alexander BMW in L.A. but they've > discontinued their BMWCCA discount. I have a power steering leak > and suspect I need those million dollar hoses replaced -- again. > > TIA > > Mark. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger - from Mark D
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:39:52 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger Well my guess would be that the fluid inlet is in the rear of the reservoir. Hard braking throws the fluid forward and introduces air into the system causing the noise. In time the air is bled out and the noise disappears. Keep in mind, according to my owners manual, the PS fluid is supposed to be standard automatic transmission fluid. Thanks, Mark On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 11:00 -0700, Kent Shephard wrote: > Hi, > > Mine does the thing after hard braking. > Why after hard braking?? > Mine does leak. A little, but they all do? > So replacing anything short of the whole system is a waste of time I > take it. > I guess I'll just keep some PS fluid around. 8-( > > Kent Shephard > kents@kshephard.com > > > > On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:36 PM, Mark D wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:30:25 -0400 > > From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger > > > > It sounds to me like in this instance the culprit is the fan clutch. > > But the PS fluid low noise to me is more of a buzz. It causes buzz in > > the steering wheel and happens after HARD braking. For a while I > > thought my ABS was crapping out until I figured out my PS fluid was > > low. > > > > And yeah, every single M3's (and 3xx) PS system I've ever seen > > leaks so > > I decided to let mine go :-P > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 21:56 -0500, Neil Maller wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:47:53 -0400 > >> From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > >> Subject: Re: Supercharger whine w/o supercharger > >> > >> on 8/19/06 6:06 PM, "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I recently had a bad power steering pump that sounded just like a > >>> Super > >>> Charger. > >> > >> If the PS pump reservoir is low on fluid it'll make that > >> supercharger-like > >> whine. And since most of our PS systems leak fluid, that's our cue > >> to top up > >> the level with ATF. > >> > >> Neil > >> Fort Wayne, IN > >> 96 M3 - Bastard child > >> 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > >> 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************************* > >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >> > >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > >> > >> DIGEST INFORMATION: > >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > >> ************************************************* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] BMW discount parts dealers? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:43:24 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW discount parts dealers? I offer factory parts typically for 20% off list (true list, not inflated list). If I can be of assistance please let me know. Jack Money Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com On 8/21/06, Dames, Mark A. <mdames@pdo.sccgov.org> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:40:47 -0700 > From: "Dames, Mark A." <mdames@pdo.sccgov.org> > Subject: BMW discount parts dealers? > > Where are folks from the West Coast getting their dealer parts from now? I > previously used Nick Alexander BMW in L.A. but they've discontinued their > BMWCCA discount. I have a power steering leak and suspect I need those > million dollar hoses replaced -- again. > > TIA > > Mark. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#10. Last chance to save me from the dark side, WTB M3/4 - from docwyte@comcast.net
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:44:54 +0000 From: docwyte@comcast.net Subject: Last chance to save me from the dark side, WTB M3/4 Looking for a good M3/4. If I don't find one in the next few days, I'm gonna buy a Lancer Evolution MR. Gotta be a 5 speed, gotta be an all records, no accidents or paintwork car. Gotta have the winter package. Would really like to have the fold down rear seats. Open on color, but not a fan of yellow or red and would like to stay away from black, but if the right car pops up and it's black, such is life. Mods ok, prefer as low a mileage as possible. Cash waiting! -josh

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