E36M3 #4945

Monday, September 11, 2006 16:48:03

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#1. Oil changes and HPDEs - from Rich Dorffer
#2. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs - from Marco
#3. CarFax Request Please - from Bob Vaughn
#4. Diff bushing tool? - from Mo Karamat
#5. Head Shops - from Steve Klein
#6. RE: Oil changes and HPDEs - from William Townsend
#7. Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Neil Maller
#8. I need a part ASAP! - from Lee Piccione
#9. RE: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Alexander Fadeev
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Mark Dadgar
#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Neil Maller

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#1. Oil changes and HPDEs - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:04:18 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Oil changes and HPDEs From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs > > Rich Dorffer wrote: > > > > >Is that a personal jab? > > > Nah... I just find a little humor in people telling me to disregard the > recco of the engineer who designed the bearing clearance in favor of > thier opinion. I never personally told you to disregard it, I simply said that the same people that gave you the original recommendation have given a newer, updated official recommendation. So, do you put as much faith in BMW with their update as the original? This had nothing to do with my opinion at all, it was entirely based on BMW's recommendation which currently doesn't include 15W50 for your cars. Regards, Rich

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#2. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs - from Marco
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:20:06 -0700 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs practically nothing except bore/stroke and where the crankshaft position is picked up. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Gus Iverson [mailto:gus.iverson@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:32 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:26:23 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs Interesting. How many changes are there between the mechanicals of the 95 3.0 S50 engine and the S52? Could tighter tolerances have lead to a lower weight specification as well? I'm just trying to figure all this out... On 9/8/06, Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:20:55 -0400 > From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs > > Gus Iverson wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:41:04 -0700 > > From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil changes and HPDEs > > > > Do you have documentation (not saying I don't believe you) regarding > > the original 20w50 specification? > > > 88 E28 Owners Manual > 90 E30 Owners Manual > 95 E36 M3 Owners Manual > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#3. CarFax Request Please - from Bob Vaughn
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:09:28 -0700 From: "Bob Vaughn" <bob_vaughn@telestream.net> Subject: CarFax Request Please Could someone run this VIN for me? WMWRE33475TG95124 It's for a MINI. And the price seems a little low. -- thx, Bob '95 M3 '05 Elise

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#4. Diff bushing tool? - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:19:22 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Diff bushing tool? Bill, Hello. When the did the bushings on the race car, I just used some spade bits, and cut out the entire bushing around the center rod, and then used a chisel to remove the busing outter metal ring. Took some effort, but everything eventually came out.. Regards, Mo -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:00:13 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: Diff bushing tool? Anyone out there bought the tool to remove the front diff bushing from the carrier? Anyone make one? My bushing is cracked like ya read about and the diff cover has a leak (my fault replacing the cover). Going to drop the diff and figure the bushing and bolt should be replaced. Any help on locating the tool or how to make it would be great! --Bill 96 M3 coupe red

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#5. Head Shops - from Steve Klein
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:08:13 -0500 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Head Shops Hi, Gang- I've been facing a head gasket replacement and re-working of the head on my 11/95 S50, and as it's my daily driver (winter, too!) downtime has been a significant factor as I prepare. To whit, I've been thinking about investing in an assembled head so I can do the replacement in a weekend without waiting for machining or ordering any needed parts. I've replaced lifters within 30k/mi and the camshafts are fine, so I'm looking for everything from the deck to the retainers. (I'm planning (hoping) for Eurosport TS lungs in the reasonable future, so that's a consideration as well.) I've seen that VAC has reconditioned heads and was looking at the Stage 1 (plus MLS gasket plus ARP studs) but was wondering what my other options are. Any other vendors providing refurbished/mildly prepped heads? Things to look for? VAC offered Motorsport springs as an option. Are those a double spring setup? Thanks in advance, Steve

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#6. RE: Oil changes and HPDEs - from William Townsend
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:39:06 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: RE: Oil changes and HPDEs I think this is a YMMV for sure. I have been using only BMW 5w30 in my 96 on the track since I got it. Oil temps run 260-270 on track (hot days above 80 deg.). At idle, oil pressure at full temp is never below 14psi. I change it every 5000Mi and have Blackstone analyze it. They recommend longer intervals since the viscosity, sheer and trace elements are in check. The trace elements from the motor wear are below a street driven car. The car has just shy of 100K miles on it, never burns a drop of oil. (It did before the oil pan baffle kit but that was when I was overfilling just for the track) Just another data point..... I also believe the Mobil 1 5w30 does not meet BMW standards for the S52 either, right? --Bill 96 M3 red

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#7. Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:17:11 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Oil changes and HPDEs My personal contribution: I've tried Mobil 1 0W-40 and it does pretty much turn into hamster piss under track conditions (and that's with an oil cooler too). Back to 15W-50 for me. But my car isn't a daily driver. Back when it was I used 15W-50 during track season and 5W-30 in the colder months. on 9/8/06 2:51 PM, "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> wrote: > OK. So, he hasn't had his oil analyzed or torn down the engine. Actually Bob does S14 engine rebuilds and is rather knowledgeable on the subject. > As I've said, I've used Amsoil 5W-40 year round and get it analyzed at every > oil change and I change it only when the lights tell me to and it doesn't > loose viscosity, doesn't oxydize. As a mater of fact, after 9,000 miles in > my M Roadster and 15,000 miles in my 540, it actually got a little closer to > 50 weight on the high end. Yeah, Amsoil is known to thicken up somewhat over time as the lighter fractions volatilize. As somebody else pointed out, oil formulations are a moving target, so data gathering isn't always easy. Still, here's an interesting project: <http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html> Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#8. I need a part ASAP! - from Lee Piccione
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:23:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Lee Piccione <leepic@smart.net> Subject: I need a part ASAP! Does anyone have a spare 6-bolt input flange for a diff that I could borrow/buy? I need it by this weekend if you do... TIA!!!! -lee

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#9. RE: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Alexander Fadeev
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:29:52 -0400 From: "Alexander Fadeev" <afadeev@smu.edu> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs Neil, I'm curious - how do you run a "hamster piss" test? alex f P.S.: 15W-50 on track, 0W-40 for MA winters -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 12:27 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:17:11 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Oil changes and HPDEs My personal contribution: I've tried Mobil 1 0W-40 and it does pretty much turn into hamster piss under track conditions (and that's with an oil cooler too). Back to 15W-50 for me. But my car isn't a daily driver. Back when it was I used 15W-50 during track season and 5W-30 in the colder months. on 9/8/06 2:51 PM, "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> wrote: > OK. So, he hasn't had his oil analyzed or torn down the engine. Actually Bob does S14 engine rebuilds and is rather knowledgeable on the subject. > As I've said, I've used Amsoil 5W-40 year round and get it analyzed at every > oil change and I change it only when the lights tell me to and it doesn't > loose viscosity, doesn't oxydize. As a mater of fact, after 9,000 miles in > my M Roadster and 15,000 miles in my 540, it actually got a little closer to > 50 weight on the high end. Yeah, Amsoil is known to thicken up somewhat over time as the lighter fractions volatilize. As somebody else pointed out, oil formulations are a moving target, so data gathering isn't always easy. Still, here's an interesting project: <http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html> Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:40:14 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Alexander Fadeev wrote: > I'm curious - how do you run a "hamster piss" test? You pull the dipstick out. If the oil runs off it like hamster piss, guess what? - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar

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#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:41:39 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Oil changes and HPDEs on 9/11/06 3:29 PM, Alexander Fadeev at afadeev@smu.edu wrote: > I'm curious - how do you run a "hamster piss" test? Well, it takes a strong stomach and an educated palate. ;-P Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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