E36M3 #4946

Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:47:41

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#1. RE: I need a part ASAP! - from James Clay
#2. Oil Viscocity - from jeffrey Lin
#3. Camber settings - from Gus Iverson
#4. rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Kelvin
#5. Re: [E36M3] Camber settings - from Jay Hudson
#6. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Zack Steinkamp
#7. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Jeff Conner
#8. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Kelvin
#9. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Zack Steinkamp
#10. Part 2 [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Kelvin
#11. RE: [E36M3] Camber settings - from Dave DeBuhr

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#1. RE:  I need a part ASAP! - from James Clay
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:07:00 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: I need a part ASAP! I know Dan at Diffs Online has one of those from a core we sent in. Call them. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com http://www.powerflexusa.com Race Proven BMW Performance 877.639.9648

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#2. Oil Viscocity - from jeffrey Lin
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:51:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jeffrey Lin <jeffreywlin@yahoo.com> Subject: Oil Viscocity OK, YES the 1995 M3 listed 20W-50 weight oil, 10W-40 was only rated to 68F back then. I know because I had one. BUT!!! and a very big BUT, is that they said "SPECIAL OILS" were good for ALL CLIMATEs!!! Special Oils being defined as Synthetics. Interestintingly back then they did not mention viscocity. Since BMW went to synthetic they increased the drain interval from about 10K miles with the 95 M3 to now 15K and sometimes 17-18K with the lights. So really the visco recomendations has not changed, but with synthetics you can run ligheter

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#3. Camber settings - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:44:23 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Camber settings I'm about to get my car aligned again. It's been a while and not feeling as coordinated as it was before on the street or the track. I'm also intent on addressing an issue of rear tire wear that's been bothering me. On my track-only tires, I'm wearing out the inside shoulder of both tires much more rapidly than the rest of the tire. I forget my precise alignment specs but I believe I'm running the max the shop could manage which was somewhere around -1.75 or -1.5. Does this sound typical? It seems to me that due to the wear I'm seeing, I could actually use less camber in the rear. I'm also seeing higher temperatures on track (using a probe pyrometer) on the inside shoulder after a lapping session plus cool down lap. Typical spread is about 5-12 degrees. This goes against all my previous experiences - it seems we always want more camber. So, I'm looking for advice and suggestions. Here's the relevant info on the car: 98 M3/4 TC Kline suspension - 425 fronts 500 rears & Koni D/As Toyo RA-1s on BBS RK 17x8 wheels in a 235x40x17 fitment Need any more info? I'm also running close to -2 in the front on the street and knocking it in to -3.5 or so for track days. I'm considering asking it to be dropped in the front as well to -1.5 or so, particularly since Winter is coming up but I still have at least 4 track days to go. Sound like a good idea or should I keep max camber up front? I'm also seeing higher temperatures on the inside shoulder in the front but this is, in my recollection, more expected.

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#4. rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Kelvin
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:30:43 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question Hi all, I've picked up some rear shock mount reinforcement plates. I just want to confirm that the plates install inside the trunk, over the shock tower correct? So basically it will be: 2 nuts, reinforcment plate, and shock tower. I've searched an no one specifically says where these go. Under the shock tower or over the shock tower. Thanks!

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Camber settings - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:46:03 -0700 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Camber settings Your rear camber numbers are about as much as you can get with factory rear LCAs. What's right depnds on what you have up front. The amout of rear toe will also affect rear tire wear. What are your other alignment specs? If you want to make sense of tire temps, you must measure them immediately after a hot lap. Running a cool down lap will cause insides to be hotter because you are running more on insides than outsides. IIRC, insides being 10% hotter than outsides is no biggy. Centers should be average of inside and outside. Jay > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:44:23 -0700 > From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> > Subject: Camber settings > > I'm about to get my car aligned again. It's been a while and not > feeling as coordinated as it was before on the street or the track. > I'm also intent on addressing an issue of rear tire wear that's been > bothering me. > > On my track-only tires, I'm wearing out the inside shoulder of both > tires much more rapidly than the rest of the tire. I forget my precise > alignment specs but I believe I'm running the max the shop could > manage which was somewhere around -1.75 or -1.5. Does this sound > typical? > > It seems to me that due to the wear I'm seeing, I could actually use > less camber in the rear. I'm also seeing higher temperatures on track > (using a probe pyrometer) on the inside shoulder after a lapping > session plus cool down lap. Typical spread is about 5-12 degrees. This > goes against all my previous experiences - it seems we always want > more camber. > > So, I'm looking for advice and suggestions. Here's the relevant info on > the car: > > 98 M3/4 > TC Kline suspension - 425 fronts 500 rears & Koni D/As > Toyo RA-1s on BBS RK 17x8 wheels in a 235x40x17 fitment > > Need any more info? > > I'm also running close to -2 in the front on the street and knocking > it in to -3.5 or so for track days. I'm considering asking it to be > dropped in the front as well to -1.5 or so, particularly since Winter > is coming up but I still have at least 4 track days to go. Sound like > a good idea or should I keep max camber up front? I'm also seeing > higher temperatures on the inside shoulder in the front but this is, > in my recollection, more expected. >

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#6. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question Hi Kelvin -- you have it right. The plates go between the nuts and the sheetmetal of the shock tower. -zs --- Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:30:43 -0700 > From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> > Subject: rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question > > Hi all, > I've picked up some rear shock mount reinforcement plates. > > I just want to confirm that the plates install inside the trunk, over > > the shock tower correct?

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#7. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question That sounds right, depending on which shock mounts you have. The majority send the bolts up though the tower, there are a few, though - GC & Rogue, IIRC - that do not. -jeff 98 ///Sedan Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:30:43 -0700 From: Kelvin Subject: rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question Hi all, I've picked up some rear shock mount reinforcement plates. I just want to confirm that the plates install inside the trunk, over the shock tower correct? So basically it will be: 2 nuts, reinforcment plate, and shock tower. I've searched an no one specifically says where these go. Under the shock tower or over the shock tower. Thanks! ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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#8. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Kelvin
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:12:00 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question I have the "factory" shock mounts. I looked around and I realize the Rogue mounts have the bolts in the mounts themselves. I will be running factory mounts along with the Z3 reinforcement plates. Thanks! Jeff Conner wrote: > That sounds right, depending on which shock mounts you have. The > majority send the bolts up though the tower, there are a few, though - > GC & Rogue, IIRC - that do not. > > -jeff > > 98 ///Sedan > > */Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com>/* wrote: > > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:30:43 -0700 > From: Kelvin > Subject: rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question > > Hi all, > I've picked up some rear shock mount reinforcement plates. > > I just want to confirm that the plates install inside the trunk, over > the shock tower correct? > > So basically it will be: 2 nuts, reinforcment plate, and shock tower. > > I've searched an no one specifically says where these go. Under the > shock tower or over the shock tower. > > Thanks! > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com> > to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/445 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question --- Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> wrote: > That sounds right, depending on which shock mounts you have. The > majority send the bolts up though the tower, there are a few, though > - GC & Rogue, IIRC - that do not. .... and those that have bolts that go "down" into the wheelwell (GC, Rogue) don't need the reinforcement plates, since the bolts are usually welded to something that very closely resembles (is?) the reinforcement plate. -zs

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#10. Part 2 [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question - from Kelvin
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:42:17 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Part 2 [E36M3] rear shock mount reinforcement plates install question Sorry, I should have asked this along with the first question, but I just realized this. I don't need to jack up the car at all when putting on the reinforcement plate correct? Just remove the 2 nuts, slap the plate in, put the 2 nuts back and torque down to ~17.5lbs? Thanks!

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#11. RE: [E36M3] Camber settings - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:43:19 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Camber settings Too much toe in or out with even a little neg camber will wear your inside edges faster than the camber itself. What are your toe-in settings in the rear? -----Original Message----- From: Gus Iverson [mailto:gus.iverson@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:47 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Camber settings Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:44:23 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Camber settings I'm about to get my car aligned again. It's been a while and not feeling as coordinated as it was before on the street or the track. I'm also intent on addressing an issue of rear tire wear that's been bothering me.

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