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#1. Re: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:07:39 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. In a message dated 9/14/2006 6:48:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl.stern@xilinx.com writes: Perhaps this shows that the BMW engines are well built, durable units, and that modern 21st century quality engine oils, especially synthetics, are more than adequate. Carl, I will agree with you that BMW engines (M50 - M52) are well built, and this group is a picky bunch. But this said, I still think caring for your engine during high RPM sessions (track and to a lesser extent autoxing), the need to maintain oil viscosity integrity in very important. I don't like to hear lifter chatter --- that can't be good for an engine. In the past I used Mobil 1 15W50 during the autox season without lifter chatter, this year I tried Mobil 1 0W40 and get the chatter at most events. I will be switching back to 15W50 next year. regards, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center, JT-Designs, & Rogue Engineering
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. - from Kelvin
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:58:37 -0700 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. Actually the M1 15w-50 brings up an interesting question. It seems that M1 is no longer making "regular 15w-50" synthetic, but instead only the "extended protection" in that weight. And it costs almost a $1 more than the regular M1 synthetics. Is that what everyone is going to plan on running? The new EP 15w-50? Or is everyone just going to run new old stock? Mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:07:39 EDT > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. > > In a message dated 9/14/2006 6:48:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > carl.stern@xilinx.com writes: > Perhaps this shows that the BMW engines > are well built, durable units, and that modern 21st century quality engine > oils, > especially synthetics, are more than adequate. > Carl, > > I will agree with you that BMW engines (M50 - M52) are well built, and this > group is a picky bunch. But this said, I still think caring for your engine > during high RPM sessions (track and to a lesser extent autoxing), the need to > maintain oil viscosity integrity in very important. I don't like to hear lifter > chatter --- that can't be good for an engine. In the past I used Mobil 1 > 15W50 during the autox season without lifter chatter, this year I tried Mobil 1 > 0W40 and get the chatter at most events. I will be switching back to 15W50 > next year. > > regards, > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion > Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center, JT-Designs, & Rogue Engineering > > > > > >
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#3. Re: Track Sneakers - from Kirk
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:00:53 -0700 From: "Kirk" <admranger@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Track Sneakers Steve, Give a long, hard, look at Bridgestone RE01Rs, assuming you have the wallet for them vs. a set of RA-1s. I was given a set to evaluate (living in Vegas heat has some perks) and took them out to a driving school at Willow Springs this summer in my wife's E46M3. Gaaaaa -- these tires ROCK! They are marvelous tires (and they should be at their price). They are super quiet on the street which is something I never would have guessed looking at the tread pattern. Not bad for a street tire. I asked Darren Young to drive the car and we both agree they had near RA-1 grip even though they were full tread depth (brand new prior to the short drive to Willow Springs). No idea on wear (they look fine after the limited track time), life, etc. as we've been running my Toyo T1-S street tires for the most part. Not sure on E36 sizes, but if you can find them and fund them, they are very nice. Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter
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#4. [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:49:44 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. > > From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> > > Is this all a moot point? No, not in my opinion.... :-) I know a lot of this is religion and opinion, and I'm no engine > rebuilder, but from what I've observed is that folks are not > destroying M3 engines no matter what oil they are using. Exactly, most of us are going to maintain the car properly and make an effort to use high quality oil. I posted three very acceptable choices in my viscosity example. My point was, there is certainly more than one way to skin a cat and there is certainly more than one oil and one viscosity of oil to use in E36 M3s. For that matter, I bet most of us change our oil more frequently than necessary. With 8 quarts of capacity of expensive synthetic oil, a little oil testing makes sense at $20 a pop. It seems like the way to have catastrophic engine failure on > an M3 is to do a money shift or have the oil pump nut come off. > For the rest of us track day guys (and gals) I don't think we > are really putting the engine to that point of stress where your > choice of oil will haunt you. You could probably add "cooling system" to your list there. Well, I don't think I am quite ready to start running a 0W20 conventional oil at the track, but there are certainly other choices than just 15W50. I prefer synthetics largely due to their viscosity stability and shear resistance. I think your point is and the opinion I share is that there are many good choices. There do seem to be a fair share of VANOS problem, I wonder if some > oil related issue can be correlated with that? Maybe, but failure isn't as common as some think, everything thinks noise is associated with failure, I don't think this is the case necessarily. Let's face it, these cars are 7-11 years old, driven hard or > enthusiastically > if not occasionally raced. I happily see that discussion of failed bottom > ends > is almost non-existant on this list. Perhaps this shows that the BMW > engines > are well built, durable units, and that modern 21st century quality engine > oils, > especially synthetics, are more than adequate. I couldn't agree more and you stated it extremely well IMO, all my posts were about challenging conventional thinking, there are some great oil choices out there, do some homework and you won't go wrong. Regards, Rich
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#5. Intermittent ABS & ASC lights - from Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:59:53 -0400 From: "Avedis, Alexander (US SSA)" <alexander.avedis@baesystems.com> Subject: Intermittent ABS & ASC lights Every so often at start up after sitting overnight, before even moving the car, I feel an intermittent pulsation in the brake pedal followed by the ASC & ABS lights coming on in the dash. I can also hear and feel a vibration directly in front of me like it is on the other side of the firewall. Once the car is warmed up by driving it, it does not do this and if the lights were on before [at the initial start] they may or may not come on again. Other times there is no pulsing or lights at initial startup. The brakes themselves work fine and actually seem a little crisper [i.e. they respond faster to pedal input] when the lights are on. Is this an intermittent relay or is the ABS pump in the process of failing? Anybody have any ideas? I'll try to get a code read the next time the lights stay on. Thanks. Alex 98 M3/4 89k miles NJ Chapter
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#6. H&R oe verse sports - from tim ng
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:27:25 -0400 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: H&R oe verse sports guys: what do you guys think between the H&R OE verse the sports. I have the sports now and I wanta soften the ride a bit and slightly rasie the car. Not really sure if I wanta do this but I am going to try the OE springs and see how it rides, looks and handles. What do you guys think? I read the specs on H&R web site and looks like the OE's are about half the drop as the sports. Anyone tried these 2 springs out? Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 95 BUZZNM3 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. car ------------------ project 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures
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#7. H&R oe verse sports - from tim ng
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:28:47 -0400 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: H&R oe verse sports guys: what do you guys think between the H&R OE verse the sports. I have the sports now and I wanta soften the ride a bit and slightly rasie the car. Not really sure if I wanta do this but I am going to try the OE springs and see how it rides, looks and handles. What do you guys think? I read the specs on H&R web site and looks like the OE's are about half the drop as the sports. Anyone tried these 2 springs out? http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/yellam3.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1643 http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/yellam3.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1644 http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/yellam3.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1645 Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 95 BUZZNM3 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. car ------------------ project 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Intermittent ABS & ASC lights - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Intermittent ABS & ASC lights On Thu, September 14, 2006 7:07 pm, Avedis, Alexander (US SSA) said: > Is this an intermittent relay or is the ABS pump in the process of > failing? Anybody have any ideas? One issue that has happened to several of us is a bad "brake pedal travel sensor". Check the list archives on or around Dec 31, 2003 for a post by me detailing my fix. (Sorry, I'm too lazy to cut-n-paste it again :-)) > I'll try to get a code read the next time the lights stay on. Even if the lights are out, the fault code should still be stored and be able to be read out. Cheers, Jim Bassett
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Yes, oil question again...track use.. On Thu, September 14, 2006 4:57 pm, Kelvin said: > Actually the M1 15w-50 brings up an interesting question. It seems that > M1 is no longer making "regular 15w-50" synthetic, but instead only the > "extended protection" in that weight. And it costs almost a $1 more > than the regular M1 synthetics. Is that what everyone is going to plan > on running? The new EP 15w-50? Or is everyone just going to run new > old stock? The "EP" addition is pure marketing IMO. Research done by my local mechanic whne it first came out found out it was similar, if not the same, as the "old" 15W50 (slight change in additives, maybe, IIRC?). Anyway, that's the stuff I'm currently using. Jim Bassett
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#10. More Tire Talk, Falken Azenis RT-615 - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: More Tire Talk, Falken Azenis RT-615 Since we're on the subject of tires, I've got a question that some of you may be able to help answer. I'm getting a new-to-me set of 17x8.5" BBS CH - and I've been convinced by several of my friends that I should be putting the Falken Azenis RT-615 tires on them for the two main reasons that they're as sticky but only cost about 1/2 as much as my previous favorite street tire, the venerable PS2. I've heard from several reliable sources that these tires run wide, and when I measured my friend's 235s, the reliable sources were proved correct. They're as wide as the 245 Pilot Sports on my car right now, so they are my fallback. What I'm wondering is...does anyone know if the 255s will fit on my car with: the ET 38 17 x 8.5" BBS CH A seciton width of 10.3 inches TCK S/A coilovers rolled fenders (will be undertaking this shortly) Thanks all -jeff 98 ///Sedan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.