E36M3 #4970

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:17:02

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#1. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Steering Rack? - from Chester Wong
#2. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Steering Rack? - from Chester Wong
#3. Soft Brakes - from Resener, Kurt
#4. Re: Steering Rack? - from Neil Maller
#5. Re: 330i - from Neil Maller
#6. RE: Rack - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#7. Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes - from Chester Wong
#8. Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes - from Zack Steinkamp
#9. Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes - from Gus Iverson
#10. Speaking of brakes - rear wear - from Gus Iverson

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#1. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Steering Rack? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Steering Rack? --- Marco <m3driver@iname.com> wrote: > My latest off track excursion resulted in a bunch of damaged bits, one > of which is the steering rack now leaks like a sieve. So does anyone > know if a 325 rack will bolt up to an M3? I bought a roller 325 for > $200. Same happened to me. Some idiot with a high mileage E36 never heard of the radiator neck failing and proceeded to dump antifreeze all over the track in front of me (I was far enough behind that I didn't see this happen) and ended up going for a not-so-fun ride right before the carosel (sp?) at Summit >X > Chester mentions reman racks have the same steering ratios. And would > that be a faster or slower ratio than a stock M3 rack? The 325 rack should bolt up (I think). The reman racks are slower...I posted a while back on this. Chester

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#2. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Steering Rack? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Steering Rack? --- Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote: > Not sure exactly what is different between them...but all of the folks that > sell rebuilt racks show the '95 M3 rack being unique and they also show the > 96+ rack being different (different BMW part number at least) than the normal > E36 rack. Yep...the housings are different colors but that was about it...well, and the '95 reman was a lot more expensive, too. Other than that, the ratios were exactly the same. In order to get a quick ratio of the '95, you'll have to find an original one. Chester

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#3. Soft Brakes - from Resener, Kurt
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:47:44 -0500 From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> Subject: Soft Brakes I'm starting to battle a soft brake pedal on my car. At my last track event I never had to actually pump the brakes to get it to stop, but it sure didn't start to take effect until the pedal was what felt like all the way down on the floor, which I've never experienced on this car. It was disconcerting to say the least as I would come into turn 7 at Mid Ohio, and as I plan on being back there at the end of October I need to address it. Calipers recently rebuilt, new pads all the way around, and brakes last bled by my mechanic a few months ago. No visible leaking at any wheels or master cylinder. I'm guessing I should start with bleeding the brakes, but I've never invested in a pressurized brake bleeder. What is the best brand/type out there that people are using nowadays? Kurt Resener Louisville, KY DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named person(s) only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please forward to postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the subject and then delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of the information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Thank you.

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#4. Re: Steering Rack? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:16:37 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Steering Rack? on 9/27/06 12:36 AM, Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote: > Not sure exactly what is different between them...but all of the folks that > sell rebuilt racks show the '95 M3 rack being unique and they also show the > 96+ rack being different (different BMW part number at least) than the normal > E36 rack. > > Have a peek here: > http://www.griffiths.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_3_4 Actually Griffith shows the M3 3.2 and the 325i racks as being the *same* P/N, with the M3 3.0 different but no P/N given. on 9/27/06 12:36 AM, Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> wrote: > It [325i rack] will fit, but it's slower than an M3 rack (either M3). FWIW, RealOEM shows the 325i, 328i and M3 3.2 reman racks as all the same: P/N 32.13.1.096.280. It shows the M3 3.0 reman rack as P/N 32.13.2.227.191. The numeral "2" in the third group normally indicates an M-car unique part. Many years ago I had my damaged rack (little off-track incident, ahem) replaced by the dealer. Makes me wonder what P/N they used. I may have to crawl underneath and have a look. So I wonder if the M3 3.0 has a faster rack that all the others? Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#5. Re: 330i - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:34:05 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: 330i on 9/27/06 12:36 AM, "Foley, Brian" <bfoley@cmpd.org> wrote: > Minuses: Throttle - this is a drive-by-wire system I've been told; no > actual physical connection to the throttle. Response is not nearly as > smooth as my M3. (Anyone know if the planned '08 M3 sedan will be > drive-by-wire?) You can bet on it. Drive-by-wire allows both better control of emissions and implementation of DSC throttle modulation without the need for a secondary throttle body and actuator. It's here to stay. On the plus side, drive-by-wire can be made as sensitive as wanted via software. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#6. RE: Rack - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:37:43 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Rack I picked up a rack off of a 99 M3 with 50K miles for $150. May want to check with www.strictly-german.com They had some Z3 racks (faster ratio) for the same price (illegal in my class and hence had to let it go). Ahmad

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:21:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes --- "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> wrote: > Calipers recently rebuilt, new pads all the way around, and brakes last > bled by my mechanic a few months ago. No visible leaking at any wheels > or master cylinder. What did you do to rebuild them? Did you go with the stainless pistons that were recently produced? Some have had issues with these. > I'm guessing I should start with bleeding the brakes, but I've never > invested in a pressurized brake bleeder. What is the best brand/type > out there that people are using nowadays? I still have good luck with the ol pump the pedal and crack open the valve (two person job). Chester

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes Kurt -- I had a similar flaky pedal issue. I figured out that mine was caused by worn-tapered pads, and was exaggeraged when I put in brass caliper guide bushings. The brakes would engage all the way (ABS kicking in), but not until the pedal was waaaay lower than I was used to. With the brass guides, it doesn't take much taper to make the brake pedal feel sucky. In my case, the difference in pad material from one side of the pad to the other was about 1mm. -zs (new track pads on a UPS truck) --- "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:47:44 -0500 > From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> > Subject: Soft Brakes > > I'm starting to battle a soft brake pedal on my car. At my last > track > event I never had to actually pump the brakes to get it to stop, but > it > sure didn't start to take effect until the pedal was what felt like > all > the way down on the floor, which I've never experienced on this car. > It > was disconcerting to say the least as I would come into turn 7 at Mid > Ohio, and as I plan on being back there at the end of October I need > to > address it. > > > > Calipers recently rebuilt, new pads all the way around, and brakes > last > bled by my mechanic a few months ago. No visible leaking at any > wheels > or master cylinder. > > > > I'm guessing I should start with bleeding the brakes, but I've never > invested in a pressurized brake bleeder. What is the best brand/type > out there that people are using nowadays? > > > > Kurt Resener > > Louisville, KY > DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named > person(s) > only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended > recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please > forward to > postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the > subject and then > delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of > the > information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the > intended > recipient is unauthorized. Thank you. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:04:41 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soft Brakes Speed Bleeders have served me well for brake bleeding. www.speedbleeders.com Makes bleeding the brakes a one person job and only adds about 15 minutes total to the trackside tire change process. I typically bleed the brakes every couple events. I've also had trouble with a soft pedal of late. I'm guessing it's also due to pad taper and the fact that my rear pads are down to 3-4mm of material. Gus On 9/27/06, Resener, Kurt <KurtResener@iammorrison.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:47:44 -0500 > From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> > Subject: Soft Brakes > > I'm starting to battle a soft brake pedal on my car. At my last track > event I never had to actually pump the brakes to get it to stop, but it > sure didn't start to take effect until the pedal was what felt like all > the way down on the floor, which I've never experienced on this car. It > was disconcerting to say the least as I would come into turn 7 at Mid > Ohio, and as I plan on being back there at the end of October I need to > address it. > > > > Calipers recently rebuilt, new pads all the way around, and brakes last > bled by my mechanic a few months ago. No visible leaking at any wheels > or master cylinder. > > > > I'm guessing I should start with bleeding the brakes, but I've never > invested in a pressurized brake bleeder. What is the best brand/type > out there that people are using nowadays? > > > > Kurt Resener > > Louisville, KY > DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named person(s) > only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended > recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please forward to > postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the subject and then > delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of the > information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended > recipient is unauthorized. Thank you. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#10. Speaking of brakes - rear wear - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:10:34 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Speaking of brakes - rear wear Quick notes on car setup to start things off: TCK D/A Coilovers unsure on the rates (425 / 500?) Ferodo 2500 pads front and rear RA-1 track tires I'm seeing a lot more rear brake wear than I would expect with this car. Bear in mind that my previous track car, a 2001 Mustang Cobra with an admittedly fundamentally broken suspension, hardly used the rear brakes. Putting a track pad in the fronts and leaving a street pad in the rear (typically Hawk HPS) would do fine and the rear pads would last *for ever*. On my 98 M3/4 I'm seeing 5-7 events per set of front brake pads but only 3-4 events per set of rears. This seems remarkable to me. It's nice to see the rears get some use, but I'd still expect the fronts to wear out first. Thoughts? Symtomatic of some kind of problem? Should I just stop worrying and buy more pads? Thanks Gus 98 M3/4 91 325ix 72 Bronco

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