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#1. RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit - from William Townsend
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:29:06 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit Hi Larry!! So at the track last weekend I slapped one of those kits on an E36 M3, replacing the previous UUC crappy kit. Was leaking for the second time and other misfortunes with that caliper company. (was not my car but a friends) His report was horrible support from the caliper mfg.!!!! So the new kit with the E46 euro floaters was what I put on his car. UUC delivered them since they were going to be up there for the club race! The calipers are beautiful and VERY light. The pads weigh more than the caliper itself. The rotor was just a tad bigger than the e36 rotor, not a drop thicker. Someone told me you could use the e46 M3 CSL rotor but I am not sure about that. The mounting HW and the caliper were nice and the kit went right in no problems. Minor cutting of the CF duct backing plates and going out to get Teflon tape for the caliper inlet adaptor. The kit came with what seemed to be street pads and did not hold up to real track use. But that was all we had in a pinch. The pads barely use 2/3 of the swept area of the rotor which seemed odd..... The car owner could not give a track impression of them since the pads were really crap! --Bill
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit --- William Townsend <wtownsend@juniper.net> wrote: > The pads barely use 2/3 of the swept area of the rotor which seemed > odd..... That's odd. I know for the Elise since Lotus wants to keep the use of different parts down to a minimum, they use the same rotors on all four corners. For such a light car, the rear calipers are small and the pads are likewise small and the pad doesn't use the whole swept area of the disc. There is one aftermarket company making discs that are sized properly so as to save weight. In this case, as an aftermarket company offering a high performance brake kit, the use of a pad/rotor combination that doesn't fully utilize the swept area (esp for the front) seems very odd. But then again, this doesn't surprise me. Chester
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#3. RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit - from William Townsend
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:11 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit Yea, we all stood around looking at that and wondered if the StopTech kit was the same. No one around had one. Anyone on this list with the StopTech kit on their E36 comment on the use of the swept are of the rotors? Do the pads contact all of the face of the rotors?? I don't remember anyone on the list even saying they have installed the StopTech's... --Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:45 AM > To: William Townsend; E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit > > --- William Townsend <wtownsend@juniper.net> wrote: > > The pads barely use 2/3 of the swept area of the rotor which seemed > > odd..... > > That's odd. I know for the Elise since Lotus wants to keep the use of > different parts down to a minimum, they use the same rotors on all four > corners. For such a light car, the rear calipers are small and the pads > are > likewise small and the pad doesn't use the whole swept area of the disc. > There > is one aftermarket company making discs that are sized properly so as to > save > weight. > > In this case, as an aftermarket company offering a high performance brake > kit, > the use of a pad/rotor combination that doesn't fully utilize the swept > area > (esp for the front) seems very odd. But then again, this doesn't surprise > me. > > Chester
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#4. Raybestos ST-43 - from William Townsend
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:22:14 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: Raybestos ST-43 So remember I posted on these pads? I had a friend torture a set of these at The Glen over the weekend. He typically in a two day of open track kills a set of HT-10's or almost a set of HT-14's up front. We had one open track and two day track school this past weekend. He though the bite was as good as the HT-14. We looked them over at the end of the weekend and he had only used 30% of them!! The rotors were not scored, held up during 1 hr open sessions just as easily as the Hawks. He got them from Porterfield with the discount was $169 for the front only. Very encouraging. If my season was not done, I would try these out this year. Will have to wait till next season. "Raybestos: not just for Mini-Van's anymore!!" (they weren't before either, they run these pads on NASCAR cars) --Bill
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#5. Re: Carpet swap - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:08:57 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Carpet swap on 10/1/06 8:26 PM, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have never swapped carpet before. It looks like the center console has to > come out and some of the trim around the perimeter has to come off. I've had mine half out, while I was installing the rollbar. Of course you're right about needing to remove the centre console, although that's not hard. No clue what you'll have to remove forward of that point. The plastic trim pieces over the door sills can stay in place if you want. I was easily able to pull the carpet out from under them and tuck it back afterward. One problem you'll face is that what we think of as carpet is actually more like flooring: bonded to the back is styrofoam that's intricately molded to conform to the profile of the floorpan and the stuff that's on it. This is quite thick in some places, and makes the carpet hard to handle. Wouldn't be easy to ship, either. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#6. Anyone know the magic chicken dance... - from William Townsend
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:46:34 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: Anyone know the magic chicken dance... ....to train an alarm key fob to the factory alarm? Mine found their way to a parking lot runoff drain over the weekend and had to take it apart to dry once fetched (don't ask...) from said drain.... Battery works and I know the fob works since it was able to repeatedly activate the panic on the car once fetched. (as well as unlock the car) Thanks, --Bill 96 M3 red
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Carpet swap - from Walter Jordan
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:47:37 -0400 From: Walter Jordan <m3gtr@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Carpet swap While gutting my car I learned a few things about BMW carpeting. 1) It is very heavy 2) It is uncooperative 3) It is installed before the heater box 4) It is not just carpeting but carpeting, thick foam, and rigid plastic "bones" to shape it. In order to replace it you will need to cut the old one to get it out and the new one to put it in (or remove the heater box... which will add about 9hrs to the job). A couple small slices where the drain plumbing goes thru to the transmission tunnel will free it up - they will be hidden from view by the console anyway. Were I trying this job I would pull out every single interior trim piece that touches carpet, the seats, and the steering wheel. It was a bear just trying to remove the old one without damaging it - putting the new one in will require patience to fit it up under the pedals and seat all the formed sections in the correct place. I managed to sell my old carpet very quickly on ebay so there is at-least one person other than you who was planning to try this ;) -- Walter
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit - from Ben Liaw
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:58:53 -0400 From: Ben Liaw <ben@rogueengineering.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit <html> ALL of the Stoptech and Brembo kits use the entire swept area of the rotor. In high performance braking, that's sort of the point.<BR> <BR> Regards, <BR> Ben Liaw <BR> Rogue Engineering <BR> 201.444.8150 • www.rebmw.com <BR> <BR> <B>On Mon Oct 2 10:16 , "William Townsend" <WTOWNSEND@JUNIPER.NET>sent:<BR> <BR> </B> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #f5f5f5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:11 -0400<BR> From: "William Townsend" <<A href="javascript:top.opencompose('wtownsend@juniper.net','','','')">wtownsend@juniper.net</A>><BR> Subject: RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit<BR> <BR> Yea, we all stood around looking at that and wondered if the StopTech<BR> kit was the same. No one around had one. <BR> <BR> Anyone on this list with the StopTech kit on their E36 comment on the<BR> use of the swept are of the rotors? Do the pads contact all of the face<BR> of the rotors??<BR> <BR> I don't remember anyone on the list even saying they have installed the<BR> StopTech's...<BR> <BR> --Bill<BR> <BR> <FONT color=red>> -----Original Message-----</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> From: Chester Wong [<A href="javascript:top.opencompose('<a href=" javascript:top.opencompose(?chester_p_wong@yahoo.com?,??,??,??)?>chester_p_wong@yahoo.com</A>','','','')"><A href="javascript:top.opencompose('chester_p_wong@yahoo.com','','','')">chester_p_wong@yahoo.com</A></A>]</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:45 AM</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> To: William Townsend; E36M3</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> </FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> --- William Townsend <<A href="javascript:top.opencompose('wtownsend@juniper.net','','','')">wtownsend@juniper.net</A>> wrote:</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> > The pads barely use 2/3 of the swept area of the rotor which seemed</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> > odd.....</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> </FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> That's odd. I know for the Elise since Lotus wants to keep the use of</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> different parts down to a minimum, they use the same rotors on all</FONT><BR> four<BR> <FONT color=red>> corners. For such a light car, the rear calipers are small and the</FONT><BR> pads<BR> <FONT color=red>> are</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> likewise small and the pad doesn't use the whole swept area of the</FONT><BR> disc.<BR> <FONT color=red>> There</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> is one aftermarket company making discs that are sized properly so as</FONT><BR> to<BR> <FONT color=red>> save</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> weight.</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> </FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> In this case, as an aftermarket company offering a high performance</FONT><BR> brake<BR> <FONT color=red>> kit,</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> the use of a pad/rotor combination that doesn't fully utilize the</FONT><BR> swept<BR> <FONT color=red>> area</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> (esp for the front) seems very odd. But then again, this doesn't</FONT><BR> surprise<BR> <FONT color=red>> me.</FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> </FONT><BR> <FONT color=red>> Chester</FONT><BR> <BR> <BR> *************************************************<BR> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors:<BR> <BR> Bimmerworld <A href="parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bimmerworld.com" target=_blank><FONT color=red>http://www.bimmerworld.com</FONT></A><BR> Turner Motorsport <A href="parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turnermotorsport.com" target=_blank><FONT color=red>http://www.turnermotorsport.com</FONT></A><BR> Eurosport High Performance <A href="parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurosporthighperformance.com" target=_blank><FONT color=red>http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com</FONT></A><BR> Rogue Engineering <A href="parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rogueengineering.com" target=_blank><FONT color=red>http://www.rogueengineering.com</FONT></A><BR> Treehouse Racing <A href="parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.treehouseracing.com" target=_blank><FONT color=red>http://www.treehouseracing.com</FONT></A><BR> Elephant Motorsports Inc. <A href="parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elephantmotorsports.com" target=_blank><FONT color=red>http://www.elephantmotorsports.com</FONT></A><BR> <BR> DIGEST INFORMATION:<BR> <A href="parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bmw-m.net%2Fresources%2Fdigest_info.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=red>http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm</FONT></A><BR> *************************************************<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE> </html><BR>.
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#9. RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit - from William Townsend
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:11:31 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit That was what I was hoping to hear. The UUC set up looks like a mismatch even though properly installed. I can only imagine the thermal issues with just one part of the friction ring being heated by the pads. I'll second your second point!! Thanks Ben. --Bill ________________________________ From: Ben Liaw [mailto:ben@rogueengineering.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:59 PM To: E36M3; William Townsend Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit ALL of the Stoptech and Brembo kits use the entire swept area of the rotor. In high performance braking, that's sort of the point. Regards, Ben Liaw Rogue Engineering 201.444.8150 b" www.rebmw.com On Mon Oct 2 10:16 , "William Townsend" sent: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:11 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net <javascript:top.opencompose('wtownsend@juniper.net','','','')> > Subject: RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit Yea, we all stood around looking at that and wondered if the StopTech kit was the same. No one around had one. Anyone on this list with the StopTech kit on their E36 comment on the use of the swept are of the rotors? Do the pads contact all of the face of the rotors?? I don't remember anyone on the list even saying they have installed the StopTech's... --Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Chester Wong [chester_p_wong@yahoo.com <javascript:top.opencompose('%3ca%20href=> ','','','')">chester_p_wong@yahoo.com <javascript:top.opencompose('chester_p_wong@yahoo.com','','','')> ] > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:45 AM > To: William Townsend; E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: New UUC Wilwood Brake Kit > > --- William Townsend <wtownsend@juniper.net <javascript:top.opencompose('wtownsend@juniper.net','','','')> > wrote: > > The pads barely use 2/3 of the swept area of the rotor which seemed > > odd..... > > That's odd. I know for the Elise since Lotus wants to keep the use of > different parts down to a minimum, they use the same rotors on all four > corners. For such a light car, the rear calipers are small and the pads > are > likewise small and the pad doesn't use the whole swept area of the disc. > There > is one aftermarket company making discs that are sized properly so as to > save > weight. > > In this case, as an aftermarket company offering a high performance brake > kit, > the use of a pad/rotor combination that doesn't fully utilize the swept > area > (esp for the front) seems very odd. But then again, this doesn't surprise > me. > > Chester ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Carpet swap - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:16:07 -0700 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Carpet swap Having removed mine from the race car, there are things forward of the console that are bolted down on top of the carpet. Like HVAC stuff. Since I wasn't completely removing all that at the time, I had to cut the carpet around the edges. You'd have to do the same if you were going to install new. It won't show once the console is reinstalled. Jay >Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:08:57 -0400 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Carpet swap > > on 10/1/06 8:26 PM, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I have never swapped carpet before. It looks like the center console has >> to >> come out and some of the trim around the perimeter has to come off. > > I've had mine half out, while I was installing the rollbar. Of course > you're > right about needing to remove the centre console, although that's not > hard. > No clue what you'll have to remove forward of that point. The plastic trim > pieces over the door sills can stay in place if you want. I was easily > able > to pull the carpet out from under them and tuck it back afterward. > > One problem you'll face is that what we think of as carpet is actually > more > like flooring: bonded to the back is styrofoam that's intricately molded > to > conform to the profile of the floorpan and the stuff that's on it. This is > quite thick in some places, and makes the carpet hard to handle. Wouldn't > be > easy to ship, either. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD