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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay - from David Ngo
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay My May '98 sedan came with free maintenance for 3yrs/36k miles. I managed to get Inspection II covered. Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:27:32 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay On Tue, October 31, 2006 6:47 am, Neil Maller said: >> Must have started even later than that - my 96 didn't have free service, > although I think it did have 4/50K warranty, or something like that. Guess > I > could go look it up, but hey, that was soooo long ago! IIRC, the "Free regular maintenance" program didn't start until late in the E36 run or with the introduction of the E46 models. Neither the former '96 328is nor the '98 M3 had free maintenance. 4yr/50K warranty was in effect by then, however. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - burned through warranty period (50K miles) in 18 months :-) 1993 325is #44 JP ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay - from Dave Heckendorf
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:51:50 -0800 From: "Dave Heckendorf" <daveheckendorf@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay Same here... '98 M3/4 (3/98 production, 8/1/98 purchase). On 10/31/06, David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:42:45 -0800 (PST) > From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay > > My May '98 sedan came with free maintenance for 3yrs/36k miles. I managed > to get Inspection II covered. > > Dave
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:55 -0500 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay Jim, My 97 M3 4-Door came with free maintenance for 3yr/36K. I even got them to bleed the brakes (listed as a 2 year item, not in inspection 1 or 2). I think you missed out. ;-) Chris ---- Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:17:34 -0800 (PST) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay > > > Neither the former '96 328is nor the '98 M3 had free maintenance. 4yr/50K > warranty was in effect by then, however.
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#4. B*****D child - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:11:12 -0500 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: B*****D child Well, then it makes two of use Neil. The other bastard child owner. 96 M3/2 Estoril I Stock Race Car. Ahmad -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > > There was NO free 3 years/36,000 service with 1995 M3's. That started > with > > 1996 models and maybe some of the 1995 7-series. > > Must have started even later than that - my 96 didn't have free service, > although I think it did have 4/50K warranty, or something like that. Guess I > could go look it up, but hey, that was soooo long ago! > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Further reinforces this, eh? =)
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:17:07 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay As did my '97 M3. Got some free oil changes & inspections out of it, though it was according to the inspection lights. Andrej Dave Heckendorf wrote: > Same here... '98 M3/4 (3/98 production, 8/1/98 purchase). > > On 10/31/06, David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> My May '98 sedan came with free maintenance for 3yrs/36k miles. I managed >> to get Inspection II covered. >> >> Dave >> > >
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#6. Re: Front Strut tower deformation - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:15:19 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Front Strut tower deformation on 10/31/06 1:37 PM, "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> wrote: > A shock tower that cracks on an 11-year old car with no suspension mods is a > poor design, as far as I'm concerned. That's pretty well established already by BMW's introduction of the under-tower reinforcing plates with the 96 and later model year M3. For reasons we can all sympathize with Skip missed previous posts on this subject, but anyone else with an E36 that isn't equipped with the reinforcing plates really should add them now. I think they're only about $6 each. And add the Z3 reinforcing plates at the rear too. They fronts can be installed simply by jacking the front of the car, unbolting the strut hats to drop the struts down and then reaching up into the towers from below and slipping them over the hat studs. Interestingly this remains an issue with other BMW group cars. Mushrooming and cracking of the Mini Cooper S front strut tower sheet metal is a well known problem. > Makes me wonder if the strut tower bar caused unexpected stress on it? But > you'd think this would have been studied when they added the bar to the LTW > (and the GT, right?) If anything I'd expect the mounting plates of the stress power to help reinforce the area. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay On Tue, October 31, 2006 10:27 am, Jim Bassett said: > Neither the former '96 328is nor the '98 M3 had free maintenance. You know, you'd think I would have learned already about posting stuff based on my admittedly-faulty memory. Fook. Nevermind. Carry on. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - probably free maintenance, but 36K miles would have barely covered a year's worth :-) 1993 325is #44 JP
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#8. Re: virgin ltw on ebay - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:27:09 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Re: virgin ltw on ebay Funny, I recall have free maintenance on both my 98 (purchased Jan 98) and 99 (purchased June 99) M3s. KLB -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: virgin ltw on ebay On Tue, October 31, 2006 6:47 am, Neil Maller said: >> Must have started even later than that - my 96 didn't have free service, > although I think it did have 4/50K warranty, or something like that. Guess > I > could go look it up, but hey, that was soooo long ago! IIRC, the "Free regular maintenance" program didn't start until late in the E36 run or with the introduction of the E46 models. Neither the former '96 328is nor the '98 M3 had free maintenance. 4yr/50K warranty was in effect by then, however. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - burned through warranty period (50K miles) in 18 months :-) 1993 325is #44 JP
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:57:37 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation As someone who replaced the rear strut plates I'm taking this seriously. Is there any way you can tell if the plates are there without jacking up the car? Thanks, Mark 96 with non-cracked front strut mounts. On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 14:17 -0500, Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:15:19 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Front Strut tower deformation > > on 10/31/06 1:37 PM, "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> wrote: > > > A shock tower that cracks on an 11-year old car with no suspension mods is a > > poor design, as far as I'm concerned. > > That's pretty well established already by BMW's introduction of the > under-tower reinforcing plates with the 96 and later model year M3. > > For reasons we can all sympathize with Skip missed previous posts on this > subject, but anyone else with an E36 that isn't equipped with the > reinforcing plates really should add them now. I think they're only about $6 > each. And add the Z3 reinforcing plates at the rear too. > > They fronts can be installed simply by jacking the front of the car, > unbolting the strut hats to drop the struts down and then reaching up into > the towers from below and slipping them over the hat studs. > > Interestingly this remains an issue with other BMW group cars. Mushrooming > and cracking of the Mini Cooper S front strut tower sheet metal is a well > known problem. > > > Makes me wonder if the strut tower bar caused unexpected stress on it? But > > you'd think this would have been studied when they added the bar to the LTW > > (and the GT, right?) > > If anything I'd expect the mounting plates of the stress power to help > reinforce the area. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation - from Gary
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:56:21 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation If its a stock car it does not have plates. Only the convertibles had plates. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Duckworth" <mdlkml@atari-source.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:57:37 -0500 > From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation > > As someone who replaced the rear strut plates I'm taking this seriously. > Is there any way you can tell if the plates are there without jacking up > the car? > > Thanks, > Mark > > 96 with non-cracked front strut mounts. > > On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 14:17 -0500, Neil Maller wrote: >> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:15:19 -0500 >> From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> >> Subject: Re: Front Strut tower deformation >> >> on 10/31/06 1:37 PM, "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> wrote: >> >> > A shock tower that cracks on an 11-year old car with no suspension mods >> > is a >> > poor design, as far as I'm concerned. >> >> That's pretty well established already by BMW's introduction of the >> under-tower reinforcing plates with the 96 and later model year M3. >> >> For reasons we can all sympathize with Skip missed previous posts on this >> subject, but anyone else with an E36 that isn't equipped with the >> reinforcing plates really should add them now. I think they're only about >> $6 >> each. And add the Z3 reinforcing plates at the rear too. >> >> They fronts can be installed simply by jacking the front of the car, >> unbolting the strut hats to drop the struts down and then reaching up >> into >> the towers from below and slipping them over the hat studs. >> >> Interestingly this remains an issue with other BMW group cars. >> Mushrooming >> and cracking of the Mini Cooper S front strut tower sheet metal is a well >> known problem. >> >> > Makes me wonder if the strut tower bar caused unexpected stress on it? >> > But >> > you'd think this would have been studied when they added the bar to the >> > LTW >> > (and the GT, right?) >> >> If anything I'd expect the mounting plates of the stress power to help >> reinforce the area. >> >> Neil >> Fort Wayne, IN >> 96 M3 - Bastard child >> 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic >> 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >