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#1. Re: Front Strut tower deformation - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:30:29 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Front Strut tower deformation on 10/31/06 6:24 PM, Kelvin at mpower@obikwan.com wrote: > I have not put on the front reinforcement plates yet. Sounds simple > enough. I will order it from the dealer ASAP and install them. This > won't mess up the alignment will it? Not perceptibly. They're only about 2mm thick. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#2. Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:35:21 -0600 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear OK, I'm a slow learner but having admitted this one shortcoming . . . We've just purchased our M3 a couple of months ago and are getting it organized for street only use. I've ordered a Sparco strut brace and the X brace for underneath. Now I'm wary of putting the strut brace on before putting in the reinforcement plates, front and rear. Is everyone saying that any e36 (ours is a '99 and completely stock other than the in and out Dinan things) needs these strut tower reinforcing plates? Shudder, are you also saying the rears need them too? If so, let me just ask to be clear in my mind: 1. Can I just loosen the nuts from the studs in the front towers, let the whole thing go down until the studs are clear from the tower and slip the reinforcement ring in without compressing the spring? 2. What do I need to do in the rear? Isn't this operation in the back a welding thing? Do I also need to order a brace for the rear for insurance? Thanks for bringing this up and discussing it. I too was unaware of this problem. Actually, I'd heard it only occurred occasionally with a lot of beating, ie. Xcrossing or racing. I thank all of you for discussing this. Best, Bill Ft. Worth e36, 38, 39
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#3. Re: [E36M3]Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:37:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind Haha. Middlesex. I believe the zip code is 08831. Don't worry, I passed on the house with a buried liquid propane tank =P As for the clarification of CFO, thanks for the many responses. Seeing that I'm single, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Glad to see all you guys snap to attention so quickly! Your wives would be proud! <vbg> Chester --- Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > OK, Chester, had to check it out. > > Which Monroe, Morris, Sussex, or Middlesex County?? > > Only NJ would have multiple towns with the same name in different areas..
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#4.Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:54:31 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Chester, Congratulations on your new house, it looks very nice. Best of luck with it. Now all you need is a wife and some kids.. Regards, Mo -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Hey all, It's hard to believe that I joined this community around eight years ago. Back then, I didn't know how to drive a stick and many of you offered your words of encouragement. In exchange, you got my Chester stories =) Way back then, I shied away from changing the oil at 2000 miles and had the dealer do it. Nowadays, there's almost nothing I won't rip apart in my car. We've come a long way. So guess what I did? Something really, really stupid... http://www.pbase.com/ekosan/pimpmeout I got a house! The only problem is it's completely empty =( The foundation is there for a really nice place....three car garage with high ceilings! So, here's my shameless request for any contacts, deals, etc....hook me up! I'll probably be in touch with Steve D for some Lista cabinets soon (hopefully I won't faint). But...furniture, electronics like plasma displays, audio equipment, etc... Of course, whenever it's close to be livable, there will be the requisite house warming for all of the bimmerheads. O....I'll be in Monroe, NJ. =D Thanks a bunch! Chester
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#5. Re: [E36M3]Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind - from Gary
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:02 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind Just remember buy it all!!! Buy it all!!! Ahh My wife is pretty cool...and has a nice accent ;-) Gary CFO in charge of check book....Bike shop to buy car parts ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:37:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind Haha. Middlesex. I believe the zip code is 08831. Don't worry, I passed on the house with a buried liquid propane tank =P As for the clarification of CFO, thanks for the many responses. Seeing that I'm single, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Glad to see all you guys snap to attention so quickly! Your wives would be proud! <vbg> Chester --- Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > OK, Chester, had to check it out. > > Which Monroe, Morris, Sussex, or Middlesex County?? > > Only NJ would have multiple towns with the same name in different areas.. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. update shifter components - from Gary Preece
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:02:24 -0500 From: "Gary Preece" <gary.preece@insightbb.com> Subject: update shifter components Hey Guys and Gal, My 2002 Rogue shifter is getting sloppy from too many 12 year old parts. Doesn't someone have a kit that has all the required parts? Even the rubber boot is falling apart, so I want to do everything at once. Man, my newly rebuilt engine (now with 10K on it) pulls STRONG! Many project to come to get the car in nice shape again... Gary Louisville, KY
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#7. [E36M3]Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of - from Brian Bacon
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:06:37 -0800 From: "Brian Bacon" <bbacon@inmotionfitness.net> Subject: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Wow! Awsome pad!! Now you have room for a couple more M3s. Although, out in California most folks would have to sell their M3 to get into a place like that cool. Good Luck Brian Bacon 98 M3/4 40K Original Miles -----Original Message----- From: E36M3 [mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:38 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #5010 ************************************************************** E36M3 List - Forum for Discussion of E36M3 Series Automobiles ************************************************************** BMWMPower on the Web: http://www.bmw-m.net ************************************************************** This digest contains the following messages: 1. <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of by: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> 2. Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of by: Gary <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> 3. Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of by: Gary <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> 4. Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of by: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> 5. Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of by: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> 6. Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of by: Gary <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> 7. Re: Front Strut tower deformation by: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> 8. Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of by: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> 9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation by: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> 10. Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind by: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Hey all, It's hard to believe that I joined this community around eight years ago. Back then, I didn't know how to drive a stick and many of you offered your words of encouragement. In exchange, you got my Chester stories =) Way back then, I shied away from changing the oil at 2000 miles and had the dealer do it. Nowadays, there's almost nothing I won't rip apart in my car. We've come a long way. So guess what I did? Something really, really stupid... http://www.pbase.com/ekosan/pimpmeout I got a house! The only problem is it's completely empty =( The foundation is there for a really nice place....three car garage with high ceilings! So, here's my shameless request for any contacts, deals, etc....hook me up! I'll probably be in touch with Steve D for some Lista cabinets soon (hopefully I won't faint). But...furniture, electronics like plasma displays, audio equipment, etc... Of course, whenever it's close to be livable, there will be the requisite house warming for all of the bimmerheads. O....I'll be in Monroe, NJ. =D Thanks a bunch! Chester -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:37:14 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Oh boy! Well I can tell you this much about a house. It's like a car project..its never really finished...Especially if you have a CFO! Gary Projects R' Us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Hey all, It's hard to believe that I joined this community around eight years ago. Back then, I didn't know how to drive a stick and many of you offered your words of encouragement. In exchange, you got my Chester stories =) Way back then, I shied away from changing the oil at 2000 miles and had the dealer do it. Nowadays, there's almost nothing I won't rip apart in my car. We've come a long way. So guess what I did? Something really, really stupid... http://www.pbase.com/ekosan/pimpmeout I got a house! The only problem is it's completely empty =( The foundation is there for a really nice place....three car garage with high ceilings! So, here's my shameless request for any contacts, deals, etc....hook me up! I'll probably be in touch with Steve D for some Lista cabinets soon (hopefully I won't faint). But...furniture, electronics like plasma displays, audio equipment, etc... Of course, whenever it's close to be livable, there will be the requisite house warming for all of the bimmerheads. O....I'll be in Monroe, NJ. =D Thanks a bunch! Chester ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:41:15 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of I forgot. congratulations on getting a garage..err I mean house! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:37:14 -0600 > From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind > of > > Oh boy! > > Well I can tell you this much about a house. It's like a car project..its > never really finished...Especially if you have a CFO! > > Gary > Projects R' Us > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:17 PM > Subject: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of > > > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:36 -0800 (PST) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of > > Hey all, > > It's hard to believe that I joined this community around eight years ago. > Back > then, I didn't know how to drive a stick and many of you offered your > words of > encouragement. In exchange, you got my Chester stories =) Way back then, > I > shied away from changing the oil at 2000 miles and had the dealer do it. > Nowadays, there's almost nothing I won't rip apart in my car. We've come > a > long way. > > So guess what I did? Something really, really stupid... > http://www.pbase.com/ekosan/pimpmeout > > I got a house! The only problem is it's completely empty =( The > foundation is > there for a really nice place....three car garage with high ceilings! So, > here's my shameless request for any contacts, deals, etc....hook me up! > I'll > probably be in touch with Steve D for some Lista cabinets soon (hopefully > I > won't faint). But...furniture, electronics like plasma displays, audio > equipment, etc... > > Of course, whenever it's close to be livable, there will be the requisite > house > warming for all of the bimmerheads. O....I'll be in Monroe, NJ. =D > > Thanks a bunch! > Chester > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of CFO? --- Gary <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> wrote: > Oh boy! > > Well I can tell you this much about a house. It's like a car project..its > never really finished...Especially if you have a CFO! -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:59:13 -0800 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of CFO == WIFE Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Chester Wong wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows > up...well, kind of > > CFO? > > --- Gary <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> wrote: >> Oh boy! >> >> Well I can tell you this much about a house. It's like a car >> project..its >> never really finished...Especially if you have a CFO! > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:01:04 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Significant other, CFO, AKA: wife unit ;o) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of CFO? --- Gary <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> wrote: > Oh boy! > > Well I can tell you this much about a house. It's like a car project..its > never really finished...Especially if you have a CFO! ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:10:43 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Front Strut tower deformation on 10/31/06 5:07 PM, Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> wrote: > As someone who replaced the rear strut plates I'm taking this seriously. > Is there any way you can tell if the plates are there without jacking up > the car? Assuming you mean the fronts, then yes, you can tell. If you pop off the plastic caps (if any) over the top of the strut tower you'll be able to see a rim of black painted metal around the circumference of the hole. Or not...Your 96 should have them, but then again the 96's are, yes, the Bastard Children, so who knows? Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Hahaha. absolutely. Hey, Chester! Congratulations. Have fun with it. Georgeous looking digs! -jeff 98 ///sedan - lives in a 2 car garaged attatched to overpriced bay area shack. ----- Original Message ---- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:01:04 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Significant other, CFO, AKA: wife unit ;o) Gary ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of CFO? --- Gary <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> wrote: > Oh boy! > > Well I can tell you this much about a house. It's like a car project..its > never really finished...Especially if you have a CFO! -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:24:57 -0800 From: Kelvin <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Front Strut tower deformation I have not put on the front reinforcement plates yet. Sounds simple enough. I will order it from the dealer ASAP and install them. This won't mess up the alignment will it? I did do the rears, as I had heard about that. I was not aware that the fronts had this problem as well. Thanks! Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:15:19 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Front Strut tower deformation > > on 10/31/06 1:37 PM, "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> wrote: > > >> A shock tower that cracks on an 11-year old car with no suspension mods is a >> poor design, as far as I'm concerned. >> > > That's pretty well established already by BMW's introduction of the > under-tower reinforcing plates with the 96 and later model year M3. > > For reasons we can all sympathize with Skip missed previous posts on this > subject, but anyone else with an E36 that isn't equipped with the > reinforcing plates really should add them now. I think they're only about $6 > each. And add the Z3 reinforcing plates at the rear too. > > They fronts can be installed simply by jacking the front of the car, > unbolting the strut hats to drop the struts down and then reaching up into > the towers from below and slipping them over the hat studs. > > Interestingly this remains an issue with other BMW group cars. Mushrooming > and cracking of the Mini Cooper S front strut tower sheet metal is a well > known problem. > > >> Makes me wonder if the strut tower bar caused unexpected stress on it? But >> you'd think this would have been studied when they added the bar to the LTW >> (and the GT, right?) >> > > If anything I'd expect the mounting plates of the stress power to help > reinforce the area. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:25:08 -0500 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of OK, Chester, had to check it out. Which Monroe, Morris, Sussex, or Middlesex County?? Only NJ would have multiple towns with the same name in different areas. Carey Chester Wong wrote: > D > > Of course, whenever it's close to be livable, there will be the requisite house > warming for all of the bimmerheads. O....I'll be in Monroe, NJ. =D > > Thanks a bunch! > Chester > > -- Carey Probst '99M3 daily driver '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear - from docwyte@comcast.net
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:07:52 +0000 From: docwyte@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear Too bad the sparco strut brace is a steaming pile of xxxx... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:35:21 -0600 > From: Bill Sharp > Subject: Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear > > OK, I'm a slow learner but having admitted this one shortcoming . . . > > We've just purchased our M3 a couple of months ago and are getting it > organized for street only use. > > I've ordered a Sparco strut brace and the X brace for underneath. > > Now I'm wary of putting the strut brace on before putting in the > reinforcement plates, front and rear. > > Is everyone saying that any e36 (ours is a '99 and completely stock > other than the in and out Dinan things) needs these strut tower > reinforcing plates? > > Shudder, are you also saying the rears need them too? > > If so, let me just ask to be clear in my mind: > > 1. Can I just loosen the nuts from the studs in the front towers, let > the whole thing go down until the studs are clear from the tower and > slip the reinforcement ring in without compressing the spring? > > 2. What do I need to do in the rear? Isn't this operation in the back > a welding thing? Do I also need to order a brace for the rear for > insurance? > > Thanks for bringing this up and discussing it. > > I too was unaware of this problem. Actually, I'd heard it only > occurred occasionally with a lot of beating, ie. Xcrossing or racing. > > I thank all of you for discussing this. > > Best, > > Bill > Ft. Worth > e36, 38, 39 > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#9. RE: [E36M3]Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of - from Mike Frank
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:36:45 -0500 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of Congratulations Chester. Are you sure you're gonna have enough room though? :) I'll second Gary's comments below. I'm not sure if you realize it yet, but your amount of free time (and free money) just took a big hit. The house looks great - large, very open, high ceilings, lots of windows. We can compare gas bills this winter. :) Enjoy that new garage. It's my favorite room, and the only one I have control of. I see a lot of furniture shopping in your future. Mike > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:37:14 -0600 > From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind > of > > Oh boy! > > Well I can tell you this much about a house. It's like a car project..its > never really finished...Especially if you have a CFO! > > Gary > Projects R' Us > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:17 PM > Subject: [E36M3] <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of > > > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:36 -0800 (PST) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: <WOT> Pimp me out! ...Chester grows up...well, kind of > > Hey all, > > It's hard to believe that I joined this community around eight years ago. > Back > then, I didn't know how to drive a stick and many of you offered your > words > of > encouragement. In exchange, you got my Chester stories =) Way back then, > I > shied away from changing the oil at 2000 miles and had the dealer do it. > Nowadays, there's almost nothing I won't rip apart in my car. We've come > a > long way. > > So guess what I did? Something really, really stupid... > http://www.pbase.com/ekosan/pimpmeout > > I got a house! The only problem is it's completely empty =( The > foundation > is > there for a really nice place....three car garage with high ceilings! So, > here's my shameless request for any contacts, deals, etc....hook me up! > I'll > probably be in touch with Steve D for some Lista cabinets soon (hopefully > I > won't faint). But...furniture, electronics like plasma displays, audio > equipment, etc... > > Of course, whenever it's close to be livable, there will be the requisite > house > warming for all of the bimmerheads. O....I'll be in Monroe, NJ. =D > > Thanks a bunch! > Chester > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > *************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:38:44 -0500 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear If your M3 is a 99, it should have the front plates already. My 98 M3/4 does. In the rear, start with the upper shock mount from Rogue or Ground control. http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=7/CA=9 http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_C ode=RSM&Category_Code=S If your rear shock pickup point is already cracked, a stronger sheet metal piece (from BMW) can be welded in. In my opinion, a shock tower brace for the rear is optional because that point does not take lateral load like the front tower, and a bar doesn't brace against up and down motion. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sharp [mailto:M3@cueframe.us] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:38 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:35:21 -0600 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Strut tower reinforcements - front and rear OK, I'm a slow learner but having admitted this one shortcoming . . . We've just purchased our M3 a couple of months ago and are getting it organized for street only use. I've ordered a Sparco strut brace and the X brace for underneath. Now I'm wary of putting the strut brace on before putting in the reinforcement plates, front and rear. Is everyone saying that any e36 (ours is a '99 and completely stock other than the in and out Dinan things) needs these strut tower reinforcing plates? Shudder, are you also saying the rears need them too? If so, let me just ask to be clear in my mind: 1. Can I just loosen the nuts from the studs in the front towers, let the whole thing go down until the studs are clear from the tower and slip the reinforcement ring in without compressing the spring? 2. What do I need to do in the rear? Isn't this operation in the back a welding thing? Do I also need to order a brace for the rear for insurance? Thanks for bringing this up and discussing it. I too was unaware of this problem. Actually, I'd heard it only occurred occasionally with a lot of beating, ie. Xcrossing or racing. I thank all of you for discussing this. Best, Bill