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#1. Re: Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:17:30 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. on 11/3/06 9:07 AM, "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> wrote: > The first problem, I have a clunk in the front end of the car. > Would engine mounts cause a clunk in the front end? It seems more than possible that your engine mounts are not in good shape at 192K miles. At the very least you should check them out. There's also a well known related issue of the subframe cracking where the mounts bolt to it. A couple of months ago we installed new poly engine mounts in a friend's 325i track car, and the exhaust side mount came out complete with the broken-off bit of subframe it was still bolted to! Thanks to the fabricating and welding skill of another friend (thanks Koby!) it was fixed on the spot. Makes you think though... Turner sells pre-cut weld-in reinforcements for the front subframe. I'm glad I welded them into my own car a couple of years ago while the subframe was out for unrelated reason. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#2. Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:26:20 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? on 11/3/06 9:07 AM, "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> wrote: > Front, -2.5 camber with one lower shim, 0 toe, can't remember castor all of > these are fixed non adjustable > Koni SA set full hard > 550lb springs on coilover converters, GC > 96 upper mounts flipped, left to right > Treehouse racing LCA mounts > Eibach bar, set full hard > Looks like I can leave it an see what happens. I wanted to run -3.5 on the > front but I could not get the 18inch thire to clear and not rub the lower > shock perch. Ideally I would like to run -3.5 front and -2.5 on the track > and be able to swap back to -2.5 for the track. Even with camber shims it seems odd that your tires would rub the lower spring perch on coilovers, unless maybe this GC setup uses stock diameter springs or else your 18" wheels have an unusual offset. Coilovers with 60mm diameter race springs typically have bags of clearance. Regarding front camber, I have swapped 96+ hats but no shims and get a professionally measured -3.25/-3.5 degrees. I may be running a lower ride height than you, which could account for the extra I'm seeing. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#3. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 track car rear toe ? - from Gary
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:46:41 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 track car rear toe ? I think so. I counted how many turns there was total and just calculated 75%. I set them last year and have not touched them.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mdriver13@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 track car rear toe ? > Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:10:03 EST > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 track car rear toe ? > > In a message dated 11/2/2006 4:16:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > probikeguy@probikeusa.com writes: > Koni SA set 75% hard (per the Koni Motorsports guys advice) > Would that be about two turns? > > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? - from Gary
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:55:01 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? I have SSR comp's 18x8.5 235/40 Dunlop SP race tires (which might I add suck) they barely rub. I may be able to run two shims, or it just may be the tire itself causing the problems. My ride height is not lip dragging low. I need the car higher to get some extra protection for the turbo charge pipe. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Maller" <neil.maller@gte.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? > Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:26:20 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? > > on 11/3/06 9:07 AM, "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> wrote: > >> Front, -2.5 camber with one lower shim, 0 toe, can't remember castor all >> of >> these are fixed non adjustable >> Koni SA set full hard >> 550lb springs on coilover converters, GC >> 96 upper mounts flipped, left to right >> Treehouse racing LCA mounts >> Eibach bar, set full hard > >> Looks like I can leave it an see what happens. I wanted to run -3.5 on >> the >> front but I could not get the 18inch thire to clear and not rub the >> lower >> shock perch. Ideally I would like to run -3.5 front and -2.5 on the >> track >> and be able to swap back to -2.5 for the track. > > Even with camber shims it seems odd that your tires would rub the lower > spring perch on coilovers, unless maybe this GC setup uses stock diameter > springs or else your 18" wheels have an unusual offset. Coilovers with > 60mm > diameter race springs typically have bags of clearance. > > Regarding front camber, I have swapped 96+ hats but no shims and get a > professionally measured -3.25/-3.5 degrees. I may be running a lower ride > height than you, which could account for the extra I'm seeing. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:02:08 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? In a message dated 11/3/2006 10:58:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, probikeguy@probikeusa.com writes: I have SSR comp's 18x8.5 235/40 Dunlop SP race tires Gary, I think this is your rubbing problem. The SSR's have an offset of either 41mm or 45mm, can't remember. My BBS RGR's have a 38et -- no problem even with 245/35/18 Hoosiers! Hope that helps, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion
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#6. Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:08:39 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? on 11/3/06 10:55 AM, Gary at probikeguy@probikeusa.com wrote: > I have SSR comp's 18x8.5 235/40 Dunlop SP race tires (which might I add suck) > they barely rub. > No, no, that's not rubbing; it's a self-adjusting clearance! > I may be able to run two shims, or it just may be the tire itself causing the > problems. My ride height is not lip dragging low. I need the car higher to get > some extra protection for the turbo charge pipe. Sounds like you need a set of camber plates. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? - from Gary
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:26:11 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? I tried the UUC mounts but I could not get them to work the way I wanted to. Not enough Castor and not enough neg camber... I am not sure I want camber plates since the car is dual purpose now. I do like driving it on the street some. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Maller" <neil.maller@gte.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: [E36M3] Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? > Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:08:39 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: E36M3 track car rear toe ? > > on 11/3/06 10:55 AM, Gary at probikeguy@probikeusa.com wrote: > >> I have SSR comp's 18x8.5 235/40 Dunlop SP race tires (which might I add >> suck) >> they barely rub. >> > No, no, that's not rubbing; it's a self-adjusting clearance! > >> I may be able to run two shims, or it just may be the tire itself causing >> the >> problems. My ride height is not lip dragging low. I need the car higher >> to get >> some extra protection for the turbo charge pipe. > > Sounds like you need a set of camber plates. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#8. RE: Guide Pins ...was...Car just hit 192K miles.. few - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:06:24 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Guide Pins ...was...Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. I do recall seeing a BMW Service Bulletin (a couple years back) that indicated lubing the guild bushings. I use Sly-Glide(sp) from NAPA. I do clean the pins with Scotch Brite before installation. Also, I'd pass on SS lines for the street. I have heard of a couple too many premature failures. KLB From: Jesse Chamberlain [mailto:jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:47 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:42:10 -0500 From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> Subject: Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. I have a few issues I'm trying to track down on my car. I have a 95 M3 that has 192K miles on it. <snip> I just bought some new rubber caliper guides and pins, new stainless steel brake lines, and I am going to flush the brake fluid to see if that fixes things. What do people recommend to lube the guide pins with when I reassemble everything? < snip > Thanks for the input! Jesse Chamberlain
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#9. RE: Clunk...was... Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:12:59 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Clunk...was... Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. A buddy of mine purchased a set of Ground Control COs, used. We installed them and developed a bad clunk, had them off the car three times replacing everything we could think of. As it turned out, one of the shocks had internal damage and was causing the noise. -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:42:10 -0500 From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> Subject: Car just hit 192K miles.. few quirks/problems.. I have a few issues I'm trying to track down on my car. I have a 95M3 that has 192K miles on it. The first problem, I have a clunk in the front end of the car. To give some history, its been there for about a year, and about 3 months ago, I did a complete refresh of the front end. I have new control arms, new CA bushings, new struts, new strut mounts, new swaybar links, and new inner and outer tie-rods (all of these parts were in-need of being replaced anyways). But after all this work, the clunk is still there. It happens when I go over large bumps, and only sometimes when I go over smaller bumps. <snip> Thanks for the input! Jesse Chamberlain
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#10. Re: [E36M3] RE: Guide Pins ...was...Car just hit 192K miles.. few - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Guide Pins ...was...Car just hit 192K miles.. few On Fri, November 3, 2006 9:07 am, Burgess, Kim L said: > Also, I'd pass on SS lines for the street. I have heard of a couple too > many premature failures. And, on the other side, I've had SS brake lines on the M3 since ~1999/2000, no issues whatsoever. Originally put on as part of prepping the car for drivers schools, but they've been involved in nothing but street driving for the last 5 years. Of course, these are the good quality Fischer lines from Steve D'G at The Ultimate Garage. YMMV if you use something of lesser quality. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP