E36M3 #5055

Thursday, December 07, 2006 21:35:09

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#1. Looking for e-mail of list member - from Sue Kraft
#2. Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from David Michael
#3. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Scott
#4. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
#5. Re: [E36M3] seat rehab? - from shelhart2@aol.com
#6. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from cteague@cox.net
#7. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
#8. M3 temp sending unit (was temp gauge reading low) - from Tom Yee
#9. E36 M3 wrong content, sorry - from Tom Yee
#10. Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from mdriver13@aol.com

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#1. Looking for e-mail of list member - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:54:03 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Looking for e-mail of list member Hey guys, I'm looking for the current e-mail address of Richard Ballinger. Can anyone help me out? Thanks! Sue

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#2. Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from David Michael
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:04:00 -0500 From: "David Michael" <adavidmichael@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Thank you all for your comments. So far, the consensus seems to be that: 1. The specs on the 335i are very appealing, even if its a little heavier than an E36. 1a. They become even more appealing if one considers the "tuning" possibilities of the TT engine. 2. No one on the list has actually driven a 335. 3. No one would want to give up their e36 M3. SO, it would seem that I need to go drive one. A very dangerous proposition I'd say..... Keep the opinions coming..... Dave

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#3. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Scott
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:09:59 -0800 From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? I've driven a 335i coupe. A few comments: - Handled well, but felt heavy - Didn't feel "alive" from a feedback perspective like the e36 M3 does - exterior design left me completely unable to form an opinion about it. Odd. I Just couldn't care about the design of the car. Didn't pull at me in any direction. - Engine has tons of torque -- very little turbo lag (better than my old Audi S4 2.7tt) - Engine is quiet, smooth, refined - BMW has come up with some really creative new ways to tell if people are messing with boost. Be careful - Interior felt and looked high quality. Not "audi" level, but not embarrassing. - Felt as fast as my wife's 340hp Audi S4 Avant. In the end, though, I just didn't connect with it. I was trying to, but it just didn't happen. I think I'm more drawn to cars with imperfections and "character", and the 335 is pretty perfect, and IMHO lacks character. I think I'd lose interest in it quickly. Got back in my 10yr old M3 to drive home and instantly felt wired into the car in a way the 335 didn't provide. Scott. -----Original Message----- From: David Michael [mailto:adavidmichael@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:04 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:04:00 -0500 From: "David Michael" <adavidmichael@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Thank you all for your comments. So far, the consensus seems to be that: 1. The specs on the 335i are very appealing, even if its a little heavier than an E36. 1a. They become even more appealing if one considers the "tuning" possibilities of the TT engine. 2. No one on the list has actually driven a 335. 3. No one would want to give up their e36 M3. SO, it would seem that I need to go drive one. A very dangerous proposition I'd say..... Keep the opinions coming..... Dave ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#4. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:34:40 -0700 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? I have driven one. The power differential up here at 5000ft is quite significant. I'd even hazard that it is quicker than an E46 M3. Having said that, the suspension is "interesting" it feals both harsh and soft at the same time. No doubt a compromise because of the super stiff sidewalls on the run-flats. Nothing that a nice coilover setuo wouldn't fix. I didn't get a chance to try it in the twisties, but freeway on and off ramps were fun :) As Scott mentioned, it does not have the "as one" feeling that the E36 M3 has but I still found it an engaging drive. You have to take one for a test drive - just leave the checkbook at home :) Have fun, Graeme --------- Please note, my email address has changed to graeme.weston-lewis@lsi.com (note the domain change from lsil to lsi). Effective January 15, 2007, no other e-mail addresses for me will be accepted by our corporate mail server. Please update your address book and distribution lists accordingly. --------- -----Original Message----- From: David Michael [mailto:adavidmichael@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:04 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:04:00 -0500 From: "David Michael" <adavidmichael@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Thank you all for your comments. So far, the consensus seems to be that: 1. The specs on the 335i are very appealing, even if its a little heavier than an E36. 1a. They become even more appealing if one considers the "tuning" possibilities of the TT engine. 2. No one on the list has actually driven a 335. 3. No one would want to give up their e36 M3. SO, it would seem that I need to go drive one. A very dangerous proposition I'd say..... Keep the opinions coming..... Dave ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#5. Re: [E36M3] seat rehab? - from shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:10:47 -0500 From: shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] seat rehab? Gary, Leatherique is a good start. You can work in the rejuvinating oil by hand and let sit while it's in the car. It works well. I just used it on my Boxster and it brought back the suppleness of the leather well. I applied the Leatherique liberally, worked it in by hand and then let sit over night. I repeated again after using the cleaner and some water. Looks great, however, the car is a 2002 Boxster S and the seats were in good shape to start with. Shel -----Original Message----- From: gary.preece@insightbb.com To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:24 PM Subject: [E36M3] seat rehab? Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:20:31 -0500 From: "Gary Preece" <gary.preece@insightbb.com> Subject: seat rehab? Can you swap out the passenger seat for the driver's seat while refurbishing the driver's seat? I plan to replace the cushions and heater element while trying to refinish the leather. Leatherique? Thanks. Gary ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

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#6. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:27:07 -0500 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Graeme, Any guess as to how the autox performance will be in FS with the lack of a limited slip? Chris ---- "Weston-Lewis wrote: > I have driven one. The power differential up here at 5000ft is quite > significant. I'd even hazard that it is quicker than an E46 M3. Having > said that, the suspension is "interesting" it feals both harsh and soft > at the same time. No doubt a compromise because of the super stiff > sidewalls on the run-flats. Nothing that a nice coilover setuo wouldn't > fix. I didn't get a chance to try it in the twisties, but freeway on > and off ramps were fun :) > As Scott mentioned, it does not have the "as one" feeling that the E36 > M3 has but I still found it an engaging drive. > > You have to take one for a test drive - just leave the checkbook at home > :) > > Have fun, > Graeme

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#7. RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:46:20 -0700 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Good question. With well valved shocks and sticky r-comps, I don't think the softish suspension will cause too big a problem. Wheelspin without an LSD especially on low grip surfaces like HPT will make it a challenging car to Ax. I have to confess I have not been following which cars will be in F-Stock next year, but if it's still a "pony car" class, I'd bet the 335i will cause much knashing of teeth from the Mustand and CamaroBird drivers. Graeme -----Original Message----- From: cteague@cox.net [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:27 PM To: Weston-Lewis, Graeme; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Graeme, Any guess as to how the autox performance will be in FS with the lack of a limited slip? Chris

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#8. M3 temp sending unit (was temp gauge reading low) - from Tom Yee
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:18:35 -0500 From: "Tom Yee" <tomgsr@hotmail.com> Subject: M3 temp sending unit (was temp gauge reading low) Hello, Gruppe, After a suggestion from another member, I tried bypassing the sending unit with a resistor (actually, one and then two in series). A little history: after a cooling system service that included a coolant change, new hoses, thermostat, and coolant pump plus the coolant sensor (the blue one with two terminals), the temp gauge read about a quarter scale lower than previously. The engine seems to come up to temp and is steady at the new (different) reading, and there is plenty of heat (140 degrees F at drivers side, side of dash output) and the thermostat seems to indicate about 90 degrees celsius at the thermostat using an infra red (?) device. Today, with the key in run (engine not running), I started to experiment. I disconnected the connector at the sending unit and the gauge read full cold. I measured the resistance at the sending unit and got about 60 ohms. I substituted a 47 ohm resistor (grounded the other end) and the gauge read about where it used to, a couple needles left of vertical. Then I susbstituted two resistors in series (i.e., about 94 ohms) and the gauge read slightly left of 'new', post-service position. I am still thinking that, for some reason, the OEM thermostat replacement is opening a bit early and the coolant isn't quite at the full hot temperature. Am I making sense? Has anyone experienced similar thermostat anomalies? Thanks for any insight! Regards, Tom Yee 88 M3 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk

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#9. E36 M3 wrong content, sorry - from Tom Yee
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:22:21 -0500 From: "Tom Yee" <tomgsr@hotmail.com> Subject: E36 M3 wrong content, sorry Hello, gruppe, Mea culpa. I just discovered that messages intended for an E30 M3 gruppe have also been sent to this gruppe. I have corrected my contacts and hope I don't do it again. Sorry! Regards, Tom Yee 88 M3 97 M3/4 _________________________________________________________________ View Athlete’s Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01

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#10. Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:31:14 -0500 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Gentlemen, All this talk about an "ordinary" 3-series has me very excited about the potential of the upcoming e90 M3. I can already feel the power from that wicked V8! ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:34:40 -0700 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? You have to take one for a test drive - just leave the checkbook at home :) Have fun, Graeme --------- ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

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