E36M3 #5065

Thursday, December 14, 2006 13:54:54

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#1. Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? - from David Michael
#2. convertible battery different? - from Rich Dorffer
#3. heater core - from Brian Ruiz
#4. Re: [E36M3] heater core - from Mark Duckworth
#5. 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? - from nsimon1111@aol.com
#6. Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? - from Gary
#7. E90 impressions (was 335i something or other) - from K.C. Boyce
#8. e36 vs e36 thermostat - from tim ng
#9. Freaked out crank angle sensor - from Don Feen
#10. RE: [E36M3] e36 vs e36 thermostat - from Goss, Patrick - PA

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#1. Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? - from David Michael
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:55:08 -0800 From: "David Michael" <adavidmichael@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? > > Marc, I had a similar thought after starting this thread. Especially after finding that AA has a pretty good sale goin' on on with their SC kits - 4K until the end of the year. More dreamin... Dave 98 m3/4 90K

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#2. convertible battery different? - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:21:05 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: convertible battery different? > > From: "Jay L." <joong@yahoo.com> > > Is the battery for the convertible different than the sedan or coupes' > batteries? Interstate is telling me that I need to source a convertible > battery through the dealer, but it appears to be the same size as the > other > models. I'd like to get a MTP-91 if it fits. TIA for your help. The MTP-91 might fit, but the battery in a convertible is different since it also acts as a vibration damper. Regards, Rich

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#3. heater core - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:43:05 -0800 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: heater core Hey guys, I doubt anyone remembers (or if I'm remembering correctly), but maybe a week or two ago I think I mentioned to the list (probably in passing) that after I first turn on the heater in the car, I get a faint sweet smell that I assume is coolant. The smell quickly goes away (in 5-8 seconds). If I turn off the blower then turn it back on some time later, the smell sometimes reappears, although not as strongly. Apparently the heater core is probably leaking, but I was wondering the failure mode of the heater core in the E36. Is it super important to replace it right away, or can I hold off a bit (money's tight at the moment)? If it blows completely, will I have hot coolant all over the carpeting in the car (like I did in my E30) or will it all drain out through the condensation tubes in the heater box? I realize that if it blows I will be losing coolant, and I could overheat if I don't catch it quickly enough, but I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this as well and could let me in on the experience. Thanks as always. Brian build 8/95

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#4. Re: [E36M3] heater core - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:49:59 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] heater core On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 00:44 -0600, Brian Ruiz wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:43:05 -0800 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: heater core > > Hey guys, > > I doubt anyone remembers (or if I'm remembering correctly), but maybe a week > or two ago I think I mentioned to the list (probably in passing) that after > I first turn on the heater in the car, I get a faint sweet smell that I > assume is coolant. The smell quickly goes away (in 5-8 seconds). If I turn > off the blower then turn it back on some time later, the smell sometimes > reappears, although not as strongly. Apparently the heater core is probably > leaking, but I was wondering the failure mode of the heater core in the > E36. Is it super important to replace it right away, or can I hold off a > bit (money's tight at the moment)? If it blows completely, will I have hot > coolant all over the carpeting in the car (like I did in my E30) or will it > all drain out through the condensation tubes in the heater box? I realize > that if it blows I will be losing coolant, and I could overheat if I don't > catch it quickly enough, but I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced > this as well and could let me in on the experience. I had some mild coolant loss which I believe resulted in a blown headgasket only weeks later. My personal belief is that these cars can't lose much coolant and live to tell the tale. On my Beretta, though the coolant did not drain on the carpet and instead went out through a drainage hole of some sort, it did fail suddenly and massively, and filled the entire cabin with an antifreeze infused steam. It was just not good. My recommendation from personal experience is to replace both heater cores immediately (if you have a dual climate control zone model), though I have a 96 with original cores, I might get to that this winter so I have a new cooling system from start to finish... head gasket first though, and I'd have to get a day off work to even have some time to order parts. Been going 22 days straight now :-P Thanks, Mark

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#5. 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? - from nsimon1111@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:31:25 -0500 From: nsimon1111@aol.com Subject: 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? Marc- I was the beta-tester on Eurosport's twin screw supercharger --for which Conforti did the software-- on my 99 M Coupe. Installed when I had 48,000 miles on the car, and car just turned 92,000 miles. Mileage includes 3 One Lap of America's (with Woody Hair as co-driver), 30+ drivers schools days and lots of autoxes. Driveability is unaffected and it has been very reliable. You're welcome to contact me offline if you want to check it out. Neil Simon 99 M Coupe DC tags MDORPHN _________________________ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:24:47 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? All this talk about the 335 makes us hungry for power, yet we love our chassis. For those of us with young enough cars, how about just tossing in a Conforti Supercharger. My A student had one last school and it was certainly pulling hard on the straights. It was kind of strange giving him a ride at the end of the day in my stock car. I kept waiting for the rush on the straights when I put my foot down...Nada. Anybody on the list with huffenpuffen in their cars? The dyno charts sure are pretty... Are they livable? Maintainable? durable? Marc Plante E36 M3/4 75k Vienna, VA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

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#6. Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? - from Gary
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:56:12 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? I did a turbo set up on mine. On track its a rocket! Very little lag and lots of power, 353whp 345trq @ 7.5psi. I don't have a dyno chart I can post. My goal is 450whp, 400ish trq. But I plan to build a bullet proof motor to get that much power. I'll probably pull the motor out before I hit the dyno again. I did out pull a Porsche TT coming out of a corner at Barber...Actually I almost ran him over ;o))) Here is my turbo set up: SPA manifold, T3/04E hybrid turbo, 2.5 charge pipe, 3inch from IC to throttle body, HKS SSQV BOV, Tial 38mm waste gate, 24x12x4 IC (slightly overkill), 42lb injectors, Tec3r (pnp) aka: I can upgrade and tune it myyself, UUC 6 puck ceramic clutch( stock M5 clutch slipped on the way to dyno first trip). UUC poly motor mounts and tranny mounts. I had all the bolt on on's before. So I also have UUC underdrive pullies, fan delete, UUC stg2 M5 flywheel, 3.38 diff I almost bought a Eurosport TS. But decided to build my own turbo kit for considerably less. I have maybe 2500 in hard parts. The money I saved I bought all the above plus some more track goodies...Stoptech brakes, six speed, all new suspension bushings and adjustable coilover conversion kits 550f/630r. I think the entire project was in the 7-9k range. The stock motor's are tuff even with higher miles, 80-100k, you can boost them. You have several options right now for the E36 M3 Eurosport twin screw, Stage 1, (stage 2 is not released yet from what I hear although Neil has it I think) Super good tuning AA TS either stage 1, or 2. VF Engineering, Vortech Centri Eurobahn, Vortech centri, (with AA software bump kit) Technic Turbo Stage 1 320-360whp, or 2 420+whp, super good tuning! AA turbo kits, stg 1/2/3 Homebrew turbo, you must have some fabrication skill and patience...I took my time and over engineered the pee out of mine...Basically it's better than any kit you can buy. If you just want a bolt on factory safe kit the Eurosport TS is super slick stock looking, and the TT kits are the same. These were my first and second choice if I was buying a FI kit. I like the DIY stuff so I tend to stray to the "project side" . The turbo is much easier to modifly and improve upon. Did I mention its really fast! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:24:47 -0500 > From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 335i? E36 Mit Huffenpuffen? > > All this talk about the 335 makes us hungry for power, yet we love our > chassis. For those of us with young enough cars, how about just tossing > in > a Conforti Supercharger. My A student had one last school and it was > certainly pulling hard on the straights. It was kind of strange giving > him > a ride at the end of the day in my stock car. I kept waiting for the rush > on > the straights when I put my foot down...Nada. > > Anybody on the list with huffenpuffen in their cars? The dyno charts sure > are pretty... > > Are they livable? > Maintainable? > durable? > > > Marc Plante > E36 M3/4 75k > Vienna, VA > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#7. E90 impressions (was 335i something or other) - from K.C. Boyce
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:10:09 -0500 From: "K.C. Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> Subject: E90 impressions (was 335i something or other) Gruppe, I've had the opportunity to drive E90/E92s over the past couple of years, but only in one-off "test drive" kind of situations. I finally had a chance to sample the chassis over several days of "real life". While my car was at the dealer, I had an '06 325xi loaner. Since I'm one of those considering the switch from the E36 M3 to an E90 335i, I thought my impressions might be of some value to others in my situation. First impressions are "wow!" The E90, even in underpowered and overweight 325xi form is a really great vehicle. I really liked some of the new gadgets like BT (paired with & downloaded the phone book from my Cingular 8125 seamlessly), steering wheel controls, and the adaptive xenon headlights. Even the chassis was impressive - it's very capable when thrown into some of my favorite turns. Too bad the xi's tires and standard suspension were a bit loath to play along. It makes me really curious to sample the E90 sport suspension tuning. DSC has a surprisingly high intervention threshold. I was able to rotate the car significantly without having the electronic nannies kick in. Good on you, BMW! The downsides: - The A-pillar continues its growth.it's significantly larger than the E36 A-pillar, and was bothersome for the first half-day I had the car. Then I got used to it, but still. - The side mirrors. I've always felt that side mirrors communicate "BMW". In my E30, I loved the "flag" style mirrors, and I think the E36 M3 mirrors are the sexiest mirrors I've ever seen. The E90 mirrors look like GM products. They're an odd ellipse and they have a painted "cap" on the front, but black plastic surrounding the mirror. - The radio and climate control units/displays are located too far down in the dash. They're also not angled towards the driver as in the E36, so I had to reach to use the selection knob on the radio. A bit of a PITA for scrolling through my phonebook, etc. It would be nice if BMW had put redundant displays on the IC where the OBC displays reside. - Weird reflections in the windshield. I think it was light coming off of the dashboard wood trim, though I never could figure it out. I kept seeing "flashes" and thinking that I was being chased by a helicopter. Overall, though, I was impressed enough to call my insurance agent to figure out the delta on insuring a 335i vs. my M3. Surprisingly, it's only ~$100/yr. more. I guess they really ding you for the "///M" on the decklid. However, getting back into the E36 was a revelation. The controls felt more direct and in tune with their surroundings. The radio, OBC & climate control buttons and displays were only a finger's lift from the gearshift knob. And the visibility in the E36 is better than in the E90. So, bottom line is that, as impressive as the E90 is (especially with the monster N54 motor), I'm going to be keeping my E36 for a while longer. And, as a final note, we're all very lucky as gearheads that BMW has consistently made some of the most wonderfully engaging driving machines around. KC Boyce '97 M3/4 (just turned 80k)

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#8. e36 vs e36 thermostat - from tim ng
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:26:34 -0500 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: e36 vs e36 thermostat I am in the process of changing all my coolant system+ hoses and looking at the Thermostat of the e36 m3 92 deg. verse the e30's 80 deg. They are the same size/shape and the e30 one will fit the e36 housing and cavity. So other than the 92 vs 80 deg. thing, is there any reason NOT to swap them to run a cooler system? Is 12 degrees really that much differernt (I am in Atlanta so it gets HOTTTT) I know i will not have as much heat BUT I am in Hotlanta so not that big a deal. Have anyone tried the swap. I know Bimmerworld sells a cooler thermostat too but i am looking at alternatives and what I have in stock. Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 95 BUZZNM3 94 325i future SPEC E36 race car 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. car (FOR SALE) ------------------ project 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures

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#9. Freaked out crank angle sensor - from Don Feen
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:34:17 -0800 From: "Don Feen" <donfeen@gmail.com> Subject: Freaked out crank angle sensor "I thought I'd check in and let everyone know I have fixed this problem. I was getting typical a/c tensioner pulley noise, and eventually developed a slight howling sound around the alternator. I decided to replace both tensioner pulleys and alternator idler pulley. An amazing amount of odd sounds disappeared from the car after this: slight rattle with clutch in, what I thought was timing chain noise at start up, very occasional squeal at start up...to name a few. All of these noises were very subtle, but always bothered me. Now the car is dead quiet. The other major thing that happened, to my surprise, is that this odd off idle behavior has almost completely disappeared. The idle is much smoother and car also revs much more freely The RPM's now drop almost 3x faster than before. It almost feels like I've installed a lightweight flywheel. It even took me a few days to get my shifting back on point with the new free revving behavior. It didn't start making a real noticeable belt noise until the day before I changed these pulleys out, but the bearings in all the pulleys were in really bad shape. This is one of the best repairs I've done to the car yet. You may want to try this before jumping into a lightweight flywheel." Just a side note: Certain F-erraris can actually run very poorly, if the tensioners and flywheel conspire to freak out the crank angle sensor. The crank angle sensor is sensitive to harmonics, so that may explain why the M3 runs better now. Jay Morris using someone elses email

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#10. RE: [E36M3] e36 vs e36 thermostat - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:44:21 -0600 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] e36 vs e36 thermostat Many (as do I) use the 80 degree in concert with the fan delete and lower temp radiator switch. Not sure whether or not the e36 80 degree = e30 80 degree thermo, but based on your bench comparison I'd wager it would work. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: tim ng [mailto:s14realm3@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:34 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] e36 vs e36 thermostat Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:26:34 -0500 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: e36 vs e36 thermostat I am in the process of changing all my coolant system+ hoses and looking at the Thermostat of the e36 m3 92 deg. verse the e30's 80 deg. They are the same size/shape and the e30 one will fit the e36 housing and cavity. So other than the 92 vs 80 deg. thing, is there any reason NOT to swap them to run a cooler system? Is 12 degrees really that much differernt (I am in Atlanta so it gets HOTTTT) I know i will not have as much heat BUT I am in Hotlanta so not that big a deal. Have anyone tried the swap. I know Bimmerworld sells a cooler thermostat too but i am looking at alternatives and what I have in stock. Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 95 BUZZNM3 94 325i future SPEC E36 race car 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. car (FOR SALE) ------------------ project 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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