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#1. Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Scott M
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:01:27 -0800 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? It came to me, so I just had to write it :-) Scott On Dec 22, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Mike Frank wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:09:09 -0500 > From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? > > I enjoyed the entire message, but the last part was icing... Thank > you. > > Mike Frank > 97 M3 > >> It is one of those "so close" cars. like the >> chick with the hot body and face and great personality and then you >> find out she is addicted to drugs or something. You want it to work >> because almost everything is there, but then there is that big deal >> breaker..... > > Snip > >> After-all, sometimes it can be fun and exciting to have a short fling >> with the hot chick who is on drugs. Just don't get her pregnant.... > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] 95 questions - from carguymb@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:18:07 -0500 From: carguymb@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 questions But is it the headgaskets that are an intrinsic issue, or the plastic impeller water pump and radiator neck failures that caused the overheating that caused the clock to start ticking for the headgasket? Any significant head gasket failures on cars that never overheated? Martin Bullen '95 M3 (6/94 build; overheated around 35k, headgasket at 70k) '97 Z3 2.8 -----Original Message----- -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:50:37 -0800 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] 95 questions Jim is correct - for a street car or moderately tracked M3 the head gasket will probably last a long time. But I do not know of a 95 that is actively raced that has not blown a head gasket. Well mine didn't, but I proactively replaced it. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:14 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] 95 questions Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:04:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 questions On Wed, December 20, 2006 9:24 pm, LoweSeaton@aol.com said: > No such problems with any E36 M3. The M3's (including all '95's) rear > subframe mounts are reinforced compared to the standard E36 models. Correct. > And > the head > gasket is not a problem. Sorry, Lowell, gotta agree with Marco on this. On a seriously tracked or raced '95 M3, it's "if" but "when" you'll be replacing the head gasket. At one point a few years back, Bill Arnold had *3* '95 M3s in his shop at the same time - all for head gaskets. And I know of at least 3 other local ones that have gone through a head gasket in the course of their racing life. It may not be an issue for a street car, or one that's occasionally tracked, but for the use that Jeff is going to put his through, it'll happen. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 12/20/2006 3:54 PM -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:22:12 -0800 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? OK - I had a CTS-V for a year too. Yes, there are *some* cars that I haven't owned yet. just give me time :-) I would not recommend it. The power is great, the chassis is very well done and the brakes are superb. By all merits it is a crisper performer to the E39 M5 (which I also owned so I am qualified to compare the two). And of course I owned a E36 M3/4 for awhile too - 2.5 years for that one. I've had all 3 on the road course. The M3 is of course the charmer - don't need to tell this list that. And the M5 is an understeering pig that feels very heavy and under-braked, all-in-all not well suited to a road course at all. The CTSV was actually a big surprise - it was very capable on the track, and the brakes are fully capable of handling 30min 80% sessions no problem - stock with ATE fluid. 6 piston brembos just work. GM got it all very right with this car. But.... (and you knew there would be one) It's a GM. Fit and finish and interior appointments, while nice for a GM - are miles away from BMW standards. And of course, being GM - the bean-counters got involved and they forced the engineers to cut a few corners. The big corner they cut was in the rear diff. Made by Getrag of all the ironic companies. But the problem is, the rear was spec'ed for the standard sub 300hp V6, I think it is rated by getrag at 350lb- ft. Of course the LS6 / LS2 make over 400. So that is a problem. At least it has a posi tho. My car went to a buddy of mine who assumed my lease. He ended up having so many problems with the car he got GM to buy it back on a lemon law - which wasn't easy btw. The car developed this vibration. They replaced the trans, driveshaft, rear end, the tires, basically everything and it didn't go away. It got better, but didn't go away. Not engine related because it was speed dependent, not RPM related at all. And the dealers really don't know how to deal with a performance car either - simply not used to it. So few V's are made they don't get much experience with it either. So while the CTSV is a very nice and noble effort by GM, it leaves a lot to be desired. It is one of those "so close" cars. like the chick with the hot body and face and great personality and then you find out she is addicted to drugs or something. You want it to work because almost everything is there, but then there is that big deal breaker..... So the only way I would recommend the CTSV is on a 24-36 month lease and plan to drive it hard and turn it in wet when you are done with her. And only if you can live with the possibility of spending major time at a dealer that is hit or miss with customer service, and you don't mind the plasticy interior and GM quality levels. After-all, sometimes it can be fun and exciting to have a short fling with the hot chick who is on drugs. Just don't get her pregnant.... Scott On Dec 21, 2006, at 5:33 PM, m3 drvr wrote: > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:29:03 -0500 > From: "m3 drvr" <m3bro@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? > > Ok Jamie, you have pretty much scared me off of a E39 M5! > > Now it is either a CTS-V (I know I am speaking a sin) or 335i. > > Clyde > > >> From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> >> Reply-To: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> >> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:23:56 -0600 >> >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:21:37 -0600 >> From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? >> >>> Are you saying that an M5 would cost about $4k - $6k a year for >>> repairs? >> >> No. I am saying that I don't know what an M5 would cost you to >> maintain if you bought one; mine cost almost $18K to maintain during >> the 21 months I owned it. That works out to $857/month or >> $10,285/year. >> >> -- >> Jamie Howton >> 2006 M Roadster >> 2004 645Ci >> 1995 M3 >> Hampshire, IL >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football > Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:09:09 -0500 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? I enjoyed the entire message, but the last part was icing... Thank you. Mike Frank 97 M3 > It is one of those "so close" cars. like the > chick with the hot body and face and great personality and then you > find out she is addicted to drugs or something. You want it to work > because almost everything is there, but then there is that big deal > breaker..... Snip > After-all, sometimes it can be fun and exciting to have a short fling > with the hot chick who is on drugs. Just don't get her pregnant.... ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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#3. Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:02:45 -0500 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Nice write-up Scott. I really enjoyed the analogy! But Scott, presently I'm torn between the fiery, brazen F430 Modena and that sassy, sultry, incredibly sexy Gallardo. Scott, you've probably had these too! So what am I to do? I've even thought about getting one of them pregnant, just to bring her home to my garage ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: smlists@pacbell.net To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:01:27 -0800 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? It came to me, so I just had to write it :-) Scott On Dec 22, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Mike Frank wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:09:09 -0500 > From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? > > I enjoyed the entire message, but the last part was icing... Thank > you. > > Mike Frank > 97 M3 > >> It is one of those "so close" cars. like the >> chick with the hot body and face and great personality and then you >> find out she is addicted to drugs or something. You want it to work >> because almost everything is there, but then there is that big deal >> breaker..... > > Snip > >> After-all, sometimes it can be fun and exciting to have a short fling >> with the hot chick who is on drugs. Just don't get her pregnant.... > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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#4. Re: [E36M3] 95 questions - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 questions On Fri, December 22, 2006 10:23 am, carguymb@aol.com said: > But is it the headgaskets that are an intrinsic issue, or the plastic > impeller water pump and radiator neck failures that caused the overheating > that caused the clock to start ticking for the headgasket? > > Any significant head gasket failures on cars that never overheated? To the best of my recollection, all the ones I'm aware of were headgasket ONLY issues, not as a result of some other cooling component failure. Jim Bassett
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#5. Removing oilpan - from Doug Wirth
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Wirth <doug_wirth@yahoo.com> Subject: Removing oilpan So I am removing my oilpan to install a VAC Baffle and wire my oil pump nut. I have the engine braced, control-arms removed (another project) and the cross member unbolted, and motor mounts unbolted. It only drops down about 2 inches. I also removed the steering column at the u-joint and removed the bracket on the power steering res. I need to go get a star socket to remove the last two bolts holding the pan on at the tranny. Will I be able to get the pan out or do I need to jack up the engine more or lower the cross member more? Thanks Doug
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#6. Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:40:27 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? Oh man I wish. Nope, just a mortal wage earner here.... Scott mdriver13@aol.com wrote: Nice write-up Scott. I really enjoyed the analogy! But Scott, presently I'm torn between the fiery, brazen F430 Modena and that sassy, sultry, incredibly sexy Gallardo. Scott, you've probably had these too! So what am I to do? I've even thought about getting one of them pregnant, just to bring her home to my garage ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: smlists@pacbell.net To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { font: 11px arial; border: 1px solid #7DA8D4; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px arial; background: #B5DDFA; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: none; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: underline; } body { background-color: white; font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt; border: 0px; } p { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } img.managedImg { width: 0px; height: 0px; } img.placeholder { width: 275px; height: 206px; background: #F4F4F4 center center no-repeat; border: 1px solid #DADAD6 !important; } Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:01:27 -0800 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? It came to me, so I just had to write it :-) Scott On Dec 22, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Mike Frank wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:09:09 -0500 > From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] to 335i or not to 335i? > > I enjoyed the entire message, but the last part was icing... Thank > you. > > Mike Frank > 97 M3 > >> It is one of those "so close" cars. like the >> chick with the hot body and face and great personality and then you >> find out she is addicted to drugs or something. You want it to work >> because almost everything is there, but then there is that big deal >> breaker..... > > Snip > >> After-all, sometimes it can be fun and exciting to have a short fling >> with the hot chick who is on drugs. Just don't get her pregnant.... > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* --------------------------------- Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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#7. rebuilding calipers - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:00:35 EST From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: rebuilding calipers My holiday project was new stainless lines and rear calpier rebuild on the 95 M3. I did the first one last evening and have a quick question. On the bottom of the piston there is a little notch and on the inside of the capliper there is a little hole where the fluid is pushed out. How critical is it, if at all, if these are lined up properly when the piston is re inserted into the caliper? Shel
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#8. Jaime's M5 - from jeffrey Lin
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:15:31 -0800 (PST) From: jeffrey Lin <jeffreywlin@yahoo.com> Subject: Jaime's M5 Jaime mentioned the costs of running his 2000 E39 M5, at $18K for 42K miles. I own a 2001 M5 since new in Jan 2001 and my previous street car from 1994-2000 was an E36 M3. As far as things go wrong, both cars are about the same. Both leaked power sterring fluid. The M5 had a cracked timing cover when new, the M3 had bad A/C, bad seat heaters, leaked CV grease, the M5 now has a leaking diff. So anyways, let's think about how Jaime could've spent $18K during 42K miles. Versus my old M3, it has pretty much the same things that need to be serviced or fixed. The only place where things do get more expensive is parts for the brake system. The rotors are much more expensive. Also the water pump and thermostat are a lot more expensive when it comes time to do that. But other than that, it's pretty much a DIY car like the E36 M3....Anyways here's a way to think about it. Tires: If you are buying Michelin's finest, you are looking at $1400/set, mounted and balanced With 42K miles, you might have needed 2-3 sets. Say he needed 3 sets, $4200 Service: Oil Service is around $200-$300 at the dealer, this includes changing the oil 7 qts at $5/qt for the 5w-30 or $9/qt for the 10W-60. Filter $12, cabin filters $80 add 1 to 1.5 hours of labor for this job This is a DIY for around $115 Inspection 1 is an oil service plus engine air filters, figure $500-$600 at the dealer Inspection 2 is inspection 1 plust channgthing the spark plugs, figure $800-$1000 at the delaer. Coolant Flush: $175 (this is a messy DIY) Brake Flush: $150 (this is DIY for $10 of ATE) Power Steering Hose: $450 (this is DIY, part is $160 discounted) Replace Front Belts: $150 (this is DIY, parts are about $30) Front Brakes: $1100 (this is DIY, parts $500 DIY) Rear Brakes $900 (this is DIY parts areound $475 DIY) So let's say you did all this in 42K miles. You are looking at $7675. Notice that most of the expense is in tires and you can save big time doing most of the general maitanence yourself) Throw in a bad clutch at $2500 at the dealer (parts discounted are around $500 or less) Leaky Diff $600-$700 to drop and reseal....actually this is a DIY too, the side seals can be done in the car cost of seals $22, full reseal around $50 in parts, but gotta drop the diff Thrust Bushings: $800 installed with alignment Bad VANOS I've heard $7000 or gotta fix the carbon build up... and voila....we are around $18K. Jeff 2001 E39 M5 1997 E36 M3 GruppeN Race Car 2005 X5 4.4i Ex cars: 2004 E60 525i 1995 E36 M3 2000 Boxster S 1992 Honda Accord Coupe EX 1972 Olds Cutlass 5.7L 1971 Olds Cutlass 5.7L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, I don't think it's normal at all for a car with normal mileage but I drive about 35K miles/year. I put 42K miles on it in 21 months and it isn't my only street car. I think you'll find many others that haven't shared my experience, and have enjoyed trouble free E-39 M5 experiences. My problem was that I fell in love with the car and then after CPO ran out I had a higher tolerance for the pain because of it. I still have a smile on my face when I think about mashing the loud pedal in that car, and don't regret the expense for a minute.
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Jaime's M5 - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:14:31 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Jaime's M5 Jeff, It would have been nice if I had spent the required repairs on my car had been normal maintenance. The bulk of the 18K was catalytic converters, Vanos, MAFs, CPS, rear main crank seal - things that you wouldn't think would require replacing as normal maintenance. I did replace the shocks and windshield at 90K miles neither of which were technically "required" and then the driveshaft broke - again something not really a maintenance item on any car. The costs of all of the maintenance I did myself such as oil changes, tranny and diff lube changes, Insp II, brake pads and tires were not included in the 18K. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2004 645Ci 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Jaime's M5 - from Scott M
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:36:01 -0800 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Jaime's M5 Oh, the CPS failed on mine too - that was at ~40K miles. Covered under CPO. That is a part that shouldn't fail at 40K miles IMHO. Cost to fix was in the $1K range. That was all that failed during my 1 year ownership, but I got spooked and bailed. My car had 48K at the time and was on it's original clutch 0 I figured that was due any time. I warped the rotors real bad from a track day but by the time I unloaded the car the vibe had mostly worked itself back out.... The next car in line was a 2004 Z06 which I also owned for 1 year, and it was really a fun car to own as well - glad I did it. Scott On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Jamie Howton wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:14:31 -0600 > From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Jaime's M5 > > Jeff, > > It would have been nice if I had spent the required repairs on my car > had been normal maintenance. The bulk of the 18K was catalytic > converters, Vanos, MAFs, CPS, rear main crank seal - things that you > wouldn't think would require replacing as normal maintenance. I did > replace the shocks and windshield at 90K miles neither of which were > technically "required" and then the driveshaft broke - again something > not really a maintenance item on any car. The costs of all of the > maintenance I did myself such as oil changes, tranny and diff lube > changes, Insp II, brake pads and tires were not included in the 18K. > > Regards > > -- > Jamie Howton > 2006 M Roadster > 2004 645Ci > 1995 M3 > Hampshire, IL > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >