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#1. Re: WTB: rear tower bar - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:29:36 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: WTB: rear tower bar on 1/5/07 4:19 PM, mdriver13@aol.com at mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > I bet you this is also true for the rear end too. I wouldn't be surprised, although at the rear there's at least the structural benefit of having a floor (offset somewhat by the aperture for the folding seats, when so optioned). The front, on the other hand, is like a box with the top and bottom cut off, then some miscellaneous reinforcements thrown in. Too bad it's not easy to triangulate the strut towers to the firewall. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#2. Re: Rear tower bar effectiveness? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:50:50 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Rear tower bar effectiveness? on 1/5/07 4:35 PM, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am no mechanical engineer, Me neither... > but IMHO, I don't see how a rear tower bar does anything but add some bling to > the trunk in our cars. All the significant lateral forces should be handled > by the rear suspension, even with the rear shocks removed. All the vertical > forces can be handled by a Z3 reinforcement plate and good shock mounts. I think the effect, if any, would be in general reinforcement of the car's rear structure. It's nothing to do with the suspension itself or the RSM mounting points as such. The latter simply provide a handy bolt-on location. I'm inclined to think that there could be a beneficial effect, although not nearly as much as tying in your roll cage with stout welds back there. > PS: If this is a religious issue, I am sorry for bringing it up > after being on this list for eight years. :-) Bless you my son! (BTW, I don't have a rear tower bar myself, so have no financial or intellectual investment in the concept.) Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child, no trunk bling 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Re: WTB: rear tower bar - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:54:05 -0600 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: WTB: rear tower bar I installed two rear mason bars and they do require jacking on the rear dif to induce body sag to squeeze them in. The first install was easier on a 75K car, the later was more difficult on a 150K+ car. I've run mine for over 2 years now and the before and after was very noticeable. It even helped tightened up some rear squeeks. I'm a big fan of the mason with the added tower reinforcements. Its no question both the mason or jtd would be preferred over anything hinged and blingy. Owners of DD vehicle with folding rear seats whom require full advantage of cargo passage will probably get the JTD as its removeable, whereas the mason is meant to be installed and left in place. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:35 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: WTB: rear tower bar Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:29:36 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: WTB: rear tower bar on 1/5/07 4:19 PM, mdriver13@aol.com at mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > I bet you this is also true for the rear end too. I wouldn't be surprised, although at the rear there's at least the structural benefit of having a floor (offset somewhat by the aperture for the folding seats, when so optioned). The front, on the other hand, is like a box with the top and bottom cut off, then some miscellaneous reinforcements thrown in. Too bad it's not easy to triangulate the strut towers to the firewall. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. Re: Map of Code reader owners - Bypassing the passenger airbag sensor - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:59:46 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: Map of Code reader owners - Bypassing the passenger airbag sensor Yes, I remember the one Chester created. I also created on for the Porsche 928 community and it is different now, and I am no longer in it. I guess Google really meant it was alpha software.. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Map of Code reader owners - Bypassing the passenger - from Carey Probst
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:19:26 -0500 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Map of Code reader owners - Bypassing the passenger airbag sensor I think we are all still in it but nobody is considered the administrator now according to Frapper. This probably happened when they migrated servers. It now says Chester is the admin but last time I looked it had no admin. Carey Stan Shaw wrote: > Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:59:46 -0500 > From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> > Subject: Re: Map of Code reader owners - Bypassing the passenger airbag sensor > > Yes, I remember the one Chester created. > > I also created on for the Porsche 928 community and it is different now, and > I am no longer in it. > > > > I guess Google really meant it was alpha software.. > > > > Regards, > Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net > Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 > Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ > 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ > 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ > > "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council Perm: hcprobst@alum.mit.edu A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? - from shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:25:13 -0500 From: shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? I noticed the difference on my last car. I suppose you could make a similar argumnet about the front tower brace as well... I've seen two M3's with rear shock tower damage (albeit without Z3 reinforcement plates). For $180 - $250 dollars it's worth the added lateral ridigity to me. Shel -----Original Message----- From: rex_tener@yahoo.com To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:35 PM Subject: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:25:54 -0800 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Rear tower bar effectiveness? I am no mechanical engineer, but IMHO, I don't see how a rear tower bar does anything but add some bling to the trunk in our cars. All the significant lateral forces should be handled by the rear suspension, even with the rear shocks removed. All the vertical forces can be handled by a Z3 reinforcement plate and good shock mounts. Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com PS: If this is a religious issue, I am sorry for bringing it up after being on this list for eight years. :-) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? - from Hans Batra
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:38:55 -0500 From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? Yes, I would agree with Shel on that one. For a relatively small sum of $, it's worth the benefits in rigidity and added "crispness". Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: <shelhart2@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? > Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:25:13 -0500 > From: shelhart2@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? > > I noticed the difference on my last car. I suppose you could make a > similar argumnet about the front tower brace as well... I've seen two > M3's with rear shock tower damage (albeit without Z3 reinforcement > plates). For $180 - $250 dollars it's worth the added lateral ridigity to > me. > > Shel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rex_tener@yahoo.com > To: e36m3@bmw-m.net > Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:35 PM > Subject: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? > > > Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:25:54 -0800 > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > Subject: Rear tower bar effectiveness? > > I am no mechanical engineer, but IMHO, I don't see how a rear tower bar > does anything but add some bling to the trunk in our cars. All the > significant lateral forces should be handled by the rear suspension, even > with the rear shocks removed. All the vertical forces can be handled by a > Z3 reinforcement plate and good shock mounts. > > Rex Tener > rex_tener@yahoo.com > > PS: If this is a religious issue, I am sorry for bringing it up after > being on this list for eight years. :-) > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? - from stiles
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:03:04 -0800 From: "stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? Don't you need to cut the trunk carpet to install them? That's the primary thing keeping me from doing it. I'm all for braces, but I don't want to mutilate my trunk... -----Original Message----- From: Hans Batra [mailto:hansbatra@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:45 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:38:55 -0500 From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? Yes, I would agree with Shel on that one. For a relatively small sum of $, it's worth the benefits in rigidity and added "crispness". Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: <shelhart2@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? > Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:25:13 -0500 > From: shelhart2@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? > > I noticed the difference on my last car. I suppose you could make a > similar argumnet about the front tower brace as well... I've seen two > M3's with rear shock tower damage (albeit without Z3 reinforcement > plates). For $180 - $250 dollars it's worth the added lateral ridigity to > me. > > Shel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rex_tener@yahoo.com > To: e36m3@bmw-m.net > Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:35 PM > Subject: [E36M3] Rear tower bar effectiveness? > > > Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:25:54 -0800 > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > Subject: Rear tower bar effectiveness? > > I am no mechanical engineer, but IMHO, I don't see how a rear tower bar > does anything but add some bling to the trunk in our cars. All the > significant lateral forces should be handled by the rear suspension, even > with the rear shocks removed. All the vertical forces can be handled by a > Z3 reinforcement plate and good shock mounts. > > Rex Tener > rex_tener@yahoo.com > > PS: If this is a religious issue, I am sorry for bringing it up after > being on this list for eight years. :-) > >
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#9. Seatback Release fixes? - from Reid Conti
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:02:14 -0800 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Seatback Release fixes? Howdy.. I know this topic comes up frequently, but couldn't find quite what I was looking for in a search. I have a 2000 M Coupe and my seatback release is not working. I think it works on the left side but not the right, as I can get the seat to lean back a notch on the left side. I've pulled the plastic back cover off, but that helps.. very little. I still don't know where the cables are or where they go. Does anyone have a guide for the E36, as I imagine my car will be quite similar... so I can get a feeling for what I'm looking for. Also, what usually fails? Does the cable break or just become detached? This is sorta a PITA because I'll have to pull the seat to work on it (not enough room behind the seat in the coupe), and I don't want to pull the seat only to find I need to reinstall it to drive to the dealer (or wait for shipping) to get a new cable. If they're usually broken I'll just go ahead and order whatever I need before pulling the seat.. Thanks for any pointers. - reid 2000 M Coupe
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#10. Removing Drivers side knee bolster - from Rick Cooke
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:15:07 -0500 From: "Rick Cooke" <rickcooke@rcn.com> Subject: Removing Drivers side knee bolster I am installing a keyless entry and found that there is no power for the alarm at Fuse 47. This is the fuse that is "under the glove compartment" according to the panel under the fuse box. I have now read that it is REALLY located in a unmarked location near the firewall under the driver's side knee bolster. I am looking for it, but I cannot figure out how to remove the knee bolster. There seems to be a hidden clip in the upper left corner by the door. I have a feeling I will break something if I force it. Any help out there? Rick '96 M3