E36M3 #5099

Friday, January 12, 2007 11:55:09

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#1. RE: Engine weight - from Burgess, Kim L
#2. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 Turbo 667rwhp (i know its not E36 related) - from Rex Tener
#3. Winterpark PPI - from M540
#4. Head Gasket Beginnings - from Mark Duckworth
#5. Re: [E36M3] Head Gasket Beginnings - from Jason Knight
#6. E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem - from Azik [Hotmail]
#7. Re: [E36M3] Head Gasket Beginnings - from Jamie Howton
#8. Re: [E36M3] E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem - from Chester Wong
#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem - from Azik [Hotmail]
#10. max velocity splitters - from Tom Yee

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#1. RE: Engine weight - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:35:12 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Engine weight An S50 bare block weights right about 100 lbs. -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:56:01 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Engine weight Anyone off hand know the weight of an S50/S52? I am getting shipping quotes to ship the motor I have for sale and need the weight of the engine. Thank you, Gary Gray Pro Bike www.probikeusa.com

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#2. Re: [E36M3] E46M3 Turbo 667rwhp (i know its not E36 related) - from Rex Tener
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:47:57 -0800 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46M3 Turbo 667rwhp (i know its not E36 related) At 03:55 PM 1/11/2007, Brad Moriarty wrote: >I know its not E36 related but I thought that was pretty impressive >to get that kind of power. > >http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=656420 Didn't Sias Tuning do the engine management for a 1000HP E36 M3? Yeah, here it is: <http://www.siastuning.com/> Rex

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#3. Winterpark PPI - from M540
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:06:42 -0500 From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> Subject: Winterpark PPI All: If anyone has a recommendation on where I could get a good pre-purchase inspection done in the vicinity of Casselberry or Altamonte Springs, Florida I would really appreciate it. I've been looking for an E46 for the Mrs. and might have found a good candidate. Thank you, Kevin

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#4. Head Gasket Beginnings - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:07:47 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Head Gasket Beginnings Hey guys, The last two days I've started the head gasket job. This is a first time thing for me. A couple observations: 1. Doing the spark plugs on a 3000GT which requires removal of the intake manifold WILL give you a false sense of confidence, wow what a bear on the M3. 2. Buy an air compressor and blow the heck out of the engine before taking off the intake manifold. I have a bunch of sand now dropped down into the cylinders that I'll have to attempt removal using a shopvac now :-/ 3. Wow, that intake manifold is PLASTIC! I thought that was just a cover. I never knew so much of an engine could be plastic. 4. Pretty valves! The 3000GT was caked in black carbon buildup, the M3 has a tiny bit of buildup on only one cylinder and that's it. The throttle body is almost pristine clean. 5. There's a LOT of coolant in my oil :-/ 6. A first timer would be crazy to think he can get this done in 2 days (that is unless he has a back of steel and 2 entire days to spend on it). A question, any clever ways besides a shopvac to get dirt out of the intake ports and cylinders that fell in? Also what do you guys use to tag cables and hoses? I am thinking of using some high quality wire labels I have. Is it easier to approach the exhaust manifold from the top or the bottom? Where does the TDC pin go? How do you decontaminate the engine and parts from the antifreeze? Carb and choke cleaner type stuff? Can anyone recommend a good machine shop in the Philadelphia area? I'm willing to drive far for the best quality/price/reputation combo. Pictures here: http://picasaweb.google.com/evaporated/M3HeadGasketRepair Thanks, Mark

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Head Gasket Beginnings - from Jason Knight
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Head Gasket Beginnings Looking at those pictures I'm reminded of how my wife's Camaro friends complain about this job or that, and I tell them that they're crazy and it's a piece of cake, and they remind me that my wife's car (that I work on) is a race car and has lost 85% of those silly hoses. My there are a lot of little hoses in there. The race car guys are probably shaking their heads. We bought a label maker for the first engine removal, and took about 100 pictures. We didn't label enough things and were 100 pictures short. My suggestion is to over label and over photo. Good luck! I'd probably farm that job out. Jason ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:15:09 PM Subject: [E36M3] Head Gasket Beginnings Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:07:47 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Head Gasket Beginnings Hey guys, The last two days I've started the head gasket job. This is a first time thing for me. A couple observations: 1. Doing the spark plugs on a 3000GT which requires removal of the intake manifold WILL give you a false sense of confidence, wow what a bear on the M3. 2. Buy an air compressor and blow the heck out of the engine before taking off the intake manifold. I have a bunch of sand now dropped down into the cylinders that I'll have to attempt removal using a shopvac now :-/ 3. Wow, that intake manifold is PLASTIC! I thought that was just a cover. I never knew so much of an engine could be plastic. 4. Pretty valves! The 3000GT was caked in black carbon buildup, the M3 has a tiny bit of buildup on only one cylinder and that's it. The throttle body is almost pristine clean. 5. There's a LOT of coolant in my oil :-/ 6. A first timer would be crazy to think he can get this done in 2 days (that is unless he has a back of steel and 2 entire days to spend on it). A question, any clever ways besides a shopvac to get dirt out of the intake ports and cylinders that fell in? Also what do you guys use to tag cables and hoses? I am thinking of using some high quality wire labels I have. Is it easier to approach the exhaust manifold from the top or the bottom? Where does the TDC pin go? How do you decontaminate the engine and parts from the antifreeze? Carb and choke cleaner type stuff? Can anyone recommend a good machine shop in the Philadelphia area? I'm willing to drive far for the best quality/price/reputation combo. Pictures here: http://picasaweb.google.com/evaporated/M3HeadGasketRepair Thanks, Mark ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#6. E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:39:41 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem Hello Group, I think this a first time I am writing to this list. I live in Germany currently and have E39 528iA for last 4 years as well as had M3 3.0 Coupe, which is now swapped for 1998 E36 M3 3.2 Coupe with 102k km. I will post the photos later. I've got the car for almost two monthes and it always does this sound when warm (after approx. 5 minutes) http://www.azik.de/M332/MotorIdle.avi http://www.azik.de/M332/Motor.mpg BMW dealer says it is most probably VANOS, the independent says it could be also chain. There is no such a sound when starting from cold. but as soon as the temp out of blue (approx 50-60deg C) it starts. Especially when revs are free falling on neutral. The car runs and idles fine, with only very slight occasional vibration (which i beleive normal for M3 engines). no problems with power as well - the rear wheels can't cope with torque but I am getting new tyres soon. If it is VANOS, how bad is it? Is it possible to repair it? Any good instructions on the net? As i never go to BMW dealer except for error reading (once), I prefer to do all work in the independent garage where I can control the process. I do some easy thing myself as well. Thanks in advance! Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Head Gasket Beginnings - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:06:27 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Head Gasket Beginnings > Also what do you guys use to > tag cables and hoses? I am thinking of using some high quality wire > labels I have. White electrical tape that I write on with a Sharpie or some fabric type self adhesive cable markers that I have had for years. > Is it easier to approach the exhaust manifold from the > top or the bottom? Both, some nuts from above, others from below. > Where does the TDC pin go? In the TDC hole in the flywheel, consult the Bentley manual and or TIS, both show the location pretty well, it's on the clutch/flywheel housing underneath the car. > How do you decontaminate the engine and parts from the antifreeze? Carb and > choke cleaner type stuff? I think you can probably just wipe them dry with some very clean rags. -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2004 645Ci 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#8. Re: [E36M3] E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:21:30 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem The reason the engine doesn't make the sound when it's warm is probably because the oil is up to temp and, as a result, thinner. There is less cushion from the oil so you hear the rattle in its full glory. Gee...I just typed this long response (or it was getting to be long) and then I realized that the euro M3 probably has double VANOS or infinitely adjustable VANOS which is different than the US counterpart. I can't comment on the VANOS R&R procedure then =X Chester --- "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> wrote: > I've got the car for almost two monthes and it always does this sound when > warm (after approx. 5 minutes) http://www.azik.de/M332/MotorIdle.avi > http://www.azik.de/M332/Motor.mpg > BMW dealer says it is most probably VANOS, the independent says it could be > also chain. > There is no such a sound when starting from cold. but as soon as the temp > out of blue (approx 50-60deg C) it starts. Especially when revs are free > falling on neutral. The car runs and idles fine, with only very slight > occasional vibration (which i beleive normal for M3 engines). no problems > with power as well - the rear wheels can't cope with torque but I am getting > new tyres soon. > > If it is VANOS, how bad is it? Is it possible to repair it? Any good > instructions on the net? > As i never go to BMW dealer except for error reading (once), I prefer to do > all work in the independent garage where I can control the process. I do > some easy thing myself as well.

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#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:42:35 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem Thanks Chester. Yes, it's double VANOS, i am not sure about infinite adjustibility. But It can't be just change of oil properties. I was listening carefully. Looks like the VANOS is adjusting its own work depending on temperature? the difference between silence from VANOS on cold and noise when warm is huge. Anyway I am going to change the oil and see if it makes any difference. Currently its 5W40 freshly changed but not Castrol. I have Castrol TWS 10W60 - do you think it is OK to drive in winter with this oil? (its 5-10 deg C plus now but gets as low as minus 10-15 sometimes. The car is on warm garage but during the day on company car park cools down. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com>; "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Euro M3 3.2 VANOS problem > The reason the engine doesn't make the sound when it's warm is probably > because > the oil is up to temp and, as a result, thinner. There is less cushion > from > the oil so you hear the rattle in its full glory. Gee...I just typed this > long > response (or it was getting to be long) and then I realized that the euro > M3 > probably has double VANOS or infinitely adjustable VANOS which is > different > than the US counterpart. I can't comment on the VANOS R&R procedure then > =X > >

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#10. max velocity splitters - from Tom Yee
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:47:21 -0500 From: "Tom Yee" <tomgsr@hotmail.com> Subject: max velocity splitters Hello, fellow enthusiasts, Wondering if anyone is/has used the two piece front splitters from max velocity for the E36 M3. Installation instructions make it sound easy to add on. Any issues or durability considerations? Is it so low that speed bumps will possibly cause damage? Thanks for your thoughts! Regards, Tom Yee _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG

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