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#1. Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> - from Neil Maller
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:49:27 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> on 1/14/07 10:35 AM, marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> wrote: > If there is/was a braking portion of ASC+T - I don't remember exactly which > system had which component although I'm pretty sure the E36 had both a > throttle and braking component. If the braking portion of traction control is > still active that's probably a useful thing to have on the street, or maybe > even track sometimes? Yes there is a braking function in the ASC+T. However it only operates at speeds of about 50 kph/30 mph and below, so won't come into action at the track in any case. > Does anyone know whether the ASC+T is completely disabled now or does the > braking portion of it still function? That I don't know. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#2. Re: max velocity splitters - from Neil Maller
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:51:30 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: max velocity splitters on 1/14/07 10:35 AM, "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> wrote: > I had them on my car they work great. But you really have to be careful with > them I ripped one set off on a low curb by accident. the second set I ran > for two years and hit speed bumps rubbed them going on and off the trailer > and they never broke. So you're not still using the Max Velocity splitter - how come? And what do you have instead? Enquiring minds... Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: max velocity splitters - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:54:41 -0500 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: max velocity splitters On 1/14/07, Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > > >So you're not still using the Max Velocity splitter - how come? And what > do > >you have instead? Enquiring minds... Here's the thing. They have several splitters available. The ones the original poster asked about are more of a looks thing. They mount only at the sides of the bumper cover and look like the LTW attachments but without the splitter portion, I wouldn't exactly call these splitters maybe chin extensions (?) :-P. Again it's a looks thing. I suspect perhaps that's what Gary had as well, these you could use on the street. Now they also have track splitters and that's probably what you're interested in Neil. Two or three versions actually, quite popular with the I-Prepared crowd as it offers a low cost alternative and it is a functional splitter. So far in the 6 or so events I've teched at they have not had any problems and I see these cars over and over all over the country. So I have one myself ready to go on for next year's events. :-) Jack also ran one in the C-Mod car since Larry had sort of destroyed the LTW one which has nothing about it that is lightweight. The MaxV ones are indeed light. Lookswise they do look like a somewhat homemade vaccuum formed plastic part but if that doesn't bother you then it's no big deal. Homemade but by someone who knows what they're doing IMO. Carlos 98 M3 w/all sorts of crap waiting to go on :-)
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> - from marty
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:41:33 -0500 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> thanks Neil, good info for a fellow '96 bastard child owner :) I think the braking portion _may_ still be functional since ACS+T is tied into the ABS system somehow. e.g. when I didn't reconnect power to the ASC throttle actuator motor I got an ABS fault. Reconnecting it cleared the fault (on it's own - didn't have to clear the ABS code). I haven't tried it yet but it's possible I'd throw an ABS fault if I pulled the ASC+T fuse and/or relay to fully disable it. I suppose I'm good to go since the braking doesn't get applied over 50 mph. marty 96 M3 - another bastard child 95 540i Neil Maller wrote: >> If there is/was a braking portion of ASC+T - I don't remember exactly which >> system had which component although I'm pretty sure the E36 had both a >> throttle and braking component. If the braking portion of traction control is >> still active that's probably a useful thing to have on the street, or maybe >> even track sometimes? >> > > Yes there is a braking function in the ASC+T. However it only operates at > speeds of about 50 kph/30 mph and below, so won't come into action at the > track in any case. > > >> Does anyone know whether the ASC+T is completely disabled now or does the >> braking portion of it still function? >> > > That I don't know. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:06:34 -0500 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> 1/14/07, marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> wrote: > > >I think the braking portion _may_ still be functional since ACS+T is > >tied into the ABS system somehow. e.g. when I didn't reconnect power to > >the ASC throttle actuator motor I got an ABS fault. Reconnecting it > >cleared the fault (on it's own - didn't have to clear the ABS code). When you say disconnect power what exactly do you mean? Pulling the connector? Reason I ask is I removed the ASC throttle body from my car and disconnecting it did not trigger any ABS faults. I'm one who thinks that ASC+T is useless unless you're driving the car through winter which I am not so I ditched it. Besides I already embarrassed myself by going through an entire race school weekend with the thing on the whole time and the engine cutting out on me when I was trying to pass people coming out of corners. I thought I was having fuel pickup issues. ;-) Now that it's gone I can have the sexy Motorsport strut brace as well. :-) Carlos 98 M3
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> - from marty
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:08:01 -0500 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> yes, exactly. I had reconnected neither the ASC throttle position sensor nor power to the ASC throttle actuator motor when I started it up and got both ASC and ABS lights. I connected the dangling throttle position sensor back into the harness and still had both lights. I then connected the actuator motor power (green/black and brown/black with yellow bands) and the ABS light went out. I suppose it could have been a delayed reaction. I haven't tried disconnecting only the motor now to see if I get an ABS light. Either way, I did have an ABS light so mine seems slightly different than yours - could be the bastard child behaviour coming out :) I agree, the ASC+T is a PITA and I don't drive mine in the winter either. I've too many times forgotten to turn the thing off for autocrosses or track events. It took me a few times to realise I was having fuel starvation issues instead of the ASC+T kicking in. The only reason I can think of to have it is when I let one of my brothers drive the car so they don't scare the crap out of me as much. marty 96 M3 95 540i Carlos Lopez wrote: >>> I think the braking portion _may_ still be functional since ACS+T is >>> tied into the ABS system somehow. e.g. when I didn't reconnect power to >>> the ASC throttle actuator motor I got an ABS fault. Reconnecting it >>> cleared the fault (on it's own - didn't have to clear the ABS code). >>> > When you say disconnect power what exactly do you mean? > Pulling the connector? > > Reason I ask is I removed the ASC throttle body from my car and > disconnecting > it did not trigger any ABS faults. I'm one who thinks that ASC+T is useless > unless > you're driving the car through winter which I am not so I ditched it. > Besides I already > embarrassed myself by going through an entire race school weekend with the > thing on the whole > time and the engine cutting out on me when I was trying to pass people > coming out of corners. > I thought I was having fuel pickup issues. ;-) Now that it's gone I can > have the sexy Motorsport > strut brace as well. :-) > > Carlos > 98 M3 > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:38:46 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: ASC+T throttle body removal> In a message dated 1/14/2007 3:15:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, clopez98m3@gmail.com writes: Besides I already embarrassed myself by going through an entire race school weekend with the thing on the whole time and the engine cutting out on me when I was trying to pass people coming out of corners. Hey, Carlos Don't feel bad...been there, done that! Couple of years ago I posted an index card on the dash that said, "turn off the ASC -- Dummy!" ;-)) regards, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering
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#8. Service recommendations in or near Dayton, OH? - from Steve W. Brewer
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:16:12 -0500 From: "Steve W. Brewer" <steve@take5.org> Subject: Service recommendations in or near Dayton, OH? I was in Detroit for the auto show, and heading back home (Louisville, KY), I broke down a little north of Dayton, OH. First the ABS warning came on, then the airbag, then I noticed all the lights were going dim ... No tools with me beyond the standard trunk kit, but I was able to reach the drive belt with the lug-bolt wrench, and I can press it down without much effort, so I think it's lost tension. So, could be the belt itself or anything on it (alternator, water pump, tensioner, power steering), thereby preventing the alternator from working. Guess the battery is a possibility also, but that's not my prime suspect (the alternator should have kept the car going even with a dead battery). Fortunately, I was able to limp to a gas station, and there are hotels nearby, which is where my wife and I are now. Plan is to have it towed somewhere in the morning. Any recommendations for service nearby? Looks like Frank Z Imports, Voss Village BMW, and Foreign Car Service are possibilities. Any experience with those or others? Thanks! Steve W. Brewer
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Service recommendations in or near Dayton, OH? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:57:33 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Service recommendations in or near Dayton, OH? In a message dated 1/14/2007 8:25:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@take5.org writes: Any recommendations for service nearby? Looks like Frank Z Imports, Voss Village BMW, and Foreign Car Service are possibilities. Any experience with those or others? Steve, I grew up in Cincinnati, since I don't know the others, I would highly recommend towing it to The BMW Store in Cincinnati (off of I-71 and Steward Rd.). They are top-notch! good luck, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Service recommendations in or near Dayton, OH? - from Steve W. Brewer
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:22:02 -0500 From: "Steve W. Brewer" <steve@take5.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Service recommendations in or near Dayton, OH? > I would highly recommend towing it to The BMW Store in Cincinnati Thanks; thought about them, but doesn't work. I have towing coverage to the "nearest qualified facility + 10 miles," which pretty much limits me to the Dayton area, unless I want to pay for ~50 miles of towing out of pocket. Can't imagine that would be cheap (or worth it), but I'm open to dissenting opinions. :-) Steve W. Brewer