E36M3 #5109

Monday, January 22, 2007 15:05:06

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) - from Stan Shaw
#2. Using K&N filter charger kit on AFE CAI? - from Johnny Lee
#3. RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Burgess, Kim L
#4. Re: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Chester Wong
#5. RE: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Goss, Patrick - PA
#6. RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Burgess, Kim L
#7. Re: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Jay Hudson
#8. aux. fan gone bad - from Brad DeMotte
#9. Re: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad - from Christopher Bauer
#10. RE: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad - from Brad DeMotte

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:51:33 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) Hi Carlos, My frown was for the weld in part, I would rather have a removable cage in case I return the car to street/track duty. If it was only a few hundred dollar difference, I would happily consider a custom cage, but I paid $400 for the Autopower roll-cage (used) a few years ago and $1500 for the custom cage in my 928, so it was much bigger dollar difference. Anyone in the Northeast that knows where I can get a custom cage for $500 or so, please speak right up :-) The cage I have does have a sidebar next to the driver, but I believe it was added by the prior owner. I expect I could have foot protection added. I do appreciate your concern, but I realize you can always make the car safer no matter what you do. I do have an IO Port back brace for the Kirkey seat, so am all set there Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams

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#2. Using K&N filter charger kit on AFE CAI? - from Johnny Lee
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:32:14 -0500 From: "Johnny Lee" <arionatof@gmail.com> Subject: Using K&N filter charger kit on AFE CAI? Hi, This is a question for those who own the AFE CAI. I have that installed in my car and it is about time to clean it. However, I have quite a bit of cleaner and oil left over from my stock K&N replacement. I was wondering if I can use the K&N kit on the AFE filter since they seem to be built the same, just different color. If not, I guess I have to buy the kit from AFE. Thanks in advance, -Johnny 98' M3/4 115K

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#3. RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:43:48 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off When BMW decided to 'fix' the impeller problem, engines from the factory came with spot welded formed SS sheet metal impellers. I don't know if any of these passed across the parts counter but it killed me to have to toss that work of art out when I proactively replaced it on my 99. BMW is back to a composite impeller that is better composition that the first effort. KLB -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:33:23 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [E36M3] Head Gasket - Head Off] I might have mislead you, this engine has 180,000 and I'm hoping to get 280,000 with suspension changes and a new clutch later on :-P This is before I need a bottom end rebuild. I've resolved though that I have to take it easier on this car though so maybe it's possible. It's garage kept so everything is in incredibly good condition, and lots of the miles are highway miles. I mean a ton of them. One thing I never got a response about. Did BMW ever use the spot welded thin metal impeller Graf water pump in 1996 or did they use plastic? Or did they use the cast metal impeller pump? I'm trying to establish if I can trust my service records or not. My water pump looks awfully nice for 180,000. In fact everything does. I'm very suspicious these days. I wonder if this car had a shift of death at 50K miles or something and has a newer engine. Thanks, Mark

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#4. Re: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off The last few times I replaced a water pump, the impeller was black, but it wasn't a composite...it was some sort of anodized aluminum. If you hit it with your fingernail, it made a ping sound. Chester --- "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > When BMW decided to 'fix' the impeller problem, engines from the factory > came with spot welded formed SS sheet metal impellers. I don't know if > any of these passed across the parts counter but it killed me to have to > toss that work of art out when I proactively replaced it on my 99. BMW > is back to a composite impeller that is better composition that the > first effort.

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#5. RE: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:11:23 -0600 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off I have this flavor pump with 99K miles on it and still going. Maybe we can get these rare ones rebuilt somewhere? Patrick 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:55 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:43:48 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off When BMW decided to 'fix' the impeller problem, engines from the factory came with spot welded formed SS sheet metal impellers. I don't know if any of these passed across the parts counter but it killed me to have to toss that work of art out when I proactively replaced it on my 99. BMW is back to a composite impeller that is better composition that the first effort. KLB -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:33:23 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [E36M3] Head Gasket - Head Off] I might have mislead you, this engine has 180,000 and I'm hoping to get 280,000 with suspension changes and a new clutch later on :-P This is before I need a bottom end rebuild. I've resolved though that I have to take it easier on this car though so maybe it's possible. It's garage kept so everything is in incredibly good condition, and lots of the miles are highway miles. I mean a ton of them. One thing I never got a response about. Did BMW ever use the spot welded thin metal impeller Graf water pump in 1996 or did they use plastic? Or did they use the cast metal impeller pump? I'm trying to establish if I can trust my service records or not. My water pump looks awfully nice for 180,000. In fact everything does. I'm very suspicious these days. I wonder if this car had a shift of death at 50K miles or something and has a newer engine. Thanks, Mark ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#6. RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:44:46 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off Let me know if you figure that out, I'm game Thank You! Kim L Burgess -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:11 AM To: Burgess, Kim L; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off I have this flavor pump with 99K miles on it and still going. Maybe we can get these rare ones rebuilt somewhere? Patrick 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:55 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:43:48 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off When BMW decided to 'fix' the impeller problem, engines from the factory came with spot welded formed SS sheet metal impellers. I don't know if any of these passed across the parts counter but it killed me to have to toss that work of art out when I proactively replaced it on my 99. BMW is back to a composite impeller that is better composition that the first effort. KLB -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:33:23 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [E36M3] Head Gasket - Head Off] I might have mislead you, this engine has 180,000 and I'm hoping to get 280,000 with suspension changes and a new clutch later on :-P This is before I need a bottom end rebuild. I've resolved though that I have to take it easier on this car though so maybe it's possible. It's garage kept so everything is in incredibly good condition, and lots of the miles are highway miles. I mean a ton of them. One thing I never got a response about. Did BMW ever use the spot welded thin metal impeller Graf water pump in 1996 or did they use plastic? Or did they use the cast metal impeller pump? I'm trying to establish if I can trust my service records or not. My water pump looks awfully nice for 180,000. In fact everything does. I'm very suspicious these days. I wonder if this car had a shift of death at 50K miles or something and has a newer engine. Thanks, Mark ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:38:43 -0800 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off They must have because I removed one from my car after it had been replaced by the dealer. I replaced it with one of the HP Stewart pumps. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:43:48 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE:WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off When BMW decided to 'fix' the impeller problem, engines from the factory came with spot welded formed SS sheet metal impellers. I don't know if any of these passed across the parts counter but it killed me to have to toss that work of art out when I proactively replaced it on my 99. BMW is back to a composite impeller that is better composition that the first effort. KLB

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#8. aux. fan gone bad - from Brad DeMotte
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:24:32 -0500 From: "Brad DeMotte" <brad@demottearchitects.com> Subject: aux. fan gone bad As a follow up to my overheating issues last week, it's being looked at right now. The jury's still out on whether it's a bad thermostat, water pump or just air bubbles. It appears as the aux. fan is shot as it keeps blowing fuses, so something's wrong electrically inside. Any alternative out there other than buying a new one for +$600, or is that the way to go? No guarantee for a salvaged unit, but a lot less expensive..... Brad DeMotte, R.A. DeMotte Architects 898 Ethan Allen Hwy., Suite 4 Ridgefield, CT 06877 Phone: 203 431 8890 - Fax: 203 431 8891 www.demottearchitects.com <http://www.demottearchitects.com/>

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#9. Re: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad - from Christopher Bauer
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:38:39 -0600 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad Who's raping you for $600? they can be had from any number of parts websites on the internet for ~$290 FWIW mine doesnt currently function and my car has no overheating issues in TX. the A/C is less than pleased with its failure though. Chris ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:34:43 -0600 >From: "Brad DeMotte" <brad@demottearchitects.com> >As a follow up to my overheating issues last week, it's being looked at >right now. The jury's still out on whether it's a bad thermostat, water pump >or just air bubbles. It appears as the aux. fan is shot as it keeps blowing >fuses, so something's wrong electrically inside. Any alternative out there >other than buying a new one for +$600, or is that the way to go? No >guarantee for a salvaged unit, but a lot less expensive..... > >Brad DeMotte, R.A. >DeMotte Architects >898 Ethan Allen Hwy., Suite 4 >Ridgefield, CT 06877 >Phone: 203 431 8890 - Fax: 203 431 8891 >www.demottearchitects.com <http://www.demottearchitects.com/> > >

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#10. RE: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad - from Brad DeMotte
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:00:05 -0500 From: "Brad DeMotte" <brad@demottearchitects.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad $600 is dealer price for OEM unit. My independent mechanic can get aftermarket fans for $300 or so. Needless to say, I won't be having the dealer replace it. FWIW, it was the thermostat gone bad. Just replaced a year ago, so they're replacing it free. As much as I hate dealer service and avoid it as much as possible, it paid off this time. Brad '97 M3 -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bauer [mailto:chrisbauer@vzavenue.net] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:45 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:38:39 -0600 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] aux. fan gone bad Who's raping you for $600? they can be had from any number of parts websites on the internet for ~$290 FWIW mine doesnt currently function and my car has no overheating issues in TX. the A/C is less than pleased with its failure though. Chris ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:34:43 -0600 >From: "Brad DeMotte" <brad@demottearchitects.com> >As a follow up to my overheating issues last week, it's being looked at >right now. The jury's still out on whether it's a bad thermostat, water pump >or just air bubbles. It appears as the aux. fan is shot as it keeps blowing >fuses, so something's wrong electrically inside. Any alternative out there >other than buying a new one for +$600, or is that the way to go? No >guarantee for a salvaged unit, but a lot less expensive..... > >Brad DeMotte, R.A. >DeMotte Architects >898 Ethan Allen Hwy., Suite 4 >Ridgefield, CT 06877 >Phone: 203 431 8890 - Fax: 203 431 8891 www.demottearchitects.com ><http://www.demottearchitects.com/> > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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