E36M3 #5110

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:45:05

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Neil Maller
#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Chester Wong
#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Chester Wong
#4. Charleston PPI - from M540
#5. Re: Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) - from Neil Maller
#6. Injector Cleaning - from don wentz
#7. Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from Mark Duckworth
#8. Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from marty
#9. RE: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from don wentz
#10. RE: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from Mark Duckworth

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#1. Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:39:26 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off on 1/22/07 4:14 PM, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > The last few times I replaced a water pump, the impeller was black, but it > wasn't a composite...it was some sort of anodized aluminum. If you hit it > with your fingernail, it made a ping sound. Doesn't this say it all about BMW water pumps? Chester mentions "the last few times" he's replaced one, and we all find that perfectly normal! FWIW my original failed on the track (hi Carlos!) at just under 50K miles. The replacement had that nice spot-welded stainless steel impeller, although I've since swapped that out for the Stewart unit. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off Hahaha. Well...I should clarify...I usually work on other people's cars and not mine. More often than not, whenever I go to Wayne's house with intentions to work on my car, someone else's car always ends up on the lift and I end up working on it. When it comes to working on my car, I'm usually all by myself with no one to help me out. =) But I replaced my original pump at around 90k miles and Dave Ngo's and perhaps two other cars. I did tackle my VANOS a few times but that was to go back in and fix it and then go back in and fix it again; thus, why I'm pretty good at it now and understand how to time the engine just right. ;) Of course, all this talk about VANOS over the past few weeks has made my VANOS start making noise....this after 90k miles. I'd say I did it right! ;) Chester New house with a three car garage and just took delivery of a 25 CFM @ 145psi rotary compressor =P --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > > The last few times I replaced a water pump, the impeller was black, but it > > wasn't a composite...it was some sort of anodized aluminum. If you hit it > > with your fingernail, it made a ping sound. > > Doesn't this say it all about BMW water pumps? Chester mentions "the last > few times" he's replaced one, and we all find that perfectly normal!

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: WP Impeller....was Head Gasket - Head Off I would equate my statement to Jim Bassett talking about how many beers he's downed while supervising someone working on their car. :o) Chester --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > > The last few times I replaced a water pump, the impeller was black, but it > > wasn't a composite...it was some sort of anodized aluminum. If you hit it > > with your fingernail, it made a ping sound. > > Doesn't this say it all about BMW water pumps? Chester mentions "the last > few times" he's replaced one, and we all find that perfectly normal!

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#4. Charleston PPI - from M540
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:45:31 -0500 From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> Subject: Charleston PPI All: Can anyone recommend a good place to have an E46 PPI done in Charleston, SC? Thank you, Kevin

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#5. Re: Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:04:58 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) on 1/22/07 4:14 PM, "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> wrote: > My frown was for the weld in part, I would rather have a removable cage in > case I return the car to street/track duty. Not me. Speaking as one who has a bolt-in rollbar I'd recommend a welded-in cage. The amount of extra stiffness that gives to the chassis is amazing. I wonder how many track equipped cars do get returned to street duty and/or sold? (That's right, only driven at weekends, ma'am.) Could be wrong, but I suspect not all that many. They probably get too beat up, or sold as track cars or race car projects. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#6. Injector Cleaning - from don wentz
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:10:28 -0800 From: "don wentz" <dasduck@comcast.net> Subject: Injector Cleaning Couple of questions, since someone mentioned Injectors... I have 94 build Euro 3.0L M3 motor in a 93 325is. I'm sure it could use having the Injectors cleaned, is this something easily done DIY, or is it highly recommended to send them 'out'? If 'out' is the answer, best place to send them? Secondly, I've heard that changing the intake Vanos in the US S50 is pretty straightforward. What about on the Euro version? Mine is rattling a lot at 1600-2000 rpm. Is it a DIY job? I guess if Mark can pull the whole head, I should be OK doing just the Vanos? ;-) Thx, don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 1/22/2007

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:23:37 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 20:14 -0600, don wentz wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:10:28 -0800 > From: "don wentz" <dasduck@comcast.net> > Subject: Injector Cleaning > > Couple of questions, since someone mentioned Injectors... > > I have 94 build Euro 3.0L M3 motor in a 93 325is. > I'm sure it could use having the Injectors cleaned, is this something easily > done DIY, or is it highly recommended to send them 'out'? > If 'out' is the answer, best place to send them? > > Secondly, I've heard that changing the intake Vanos in the US S50 is pretty > straightforward. What about on the Euro version? > Mine is rattling a lot at 1600-2000 rpm. > Is it a DIY job? > > I guess if Mark can pull the whole head, I should be OK doing just the > Vanos? ;-) > Thx, don Don, Are you trying to say that I am unqualified? :-P I picked a hell of an engine for a first time effort, but this is how I learned. It's how I got into computers and it's what I do for a living now :-P Next I do the timing belt on my 3000GT. Already preparing for the next huge job, though the timing belt will be cake compared to this. Thanks, Mark

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from marty
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:58:24 -0500 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning Injector cleaning could be a DIY job. I suppose you'd need an ultrasonic cleaner with appropriate solvent, a way to test the flow pattern and volume, and replacement parts (screens, o-rings, caps) if you were to disassemble and refurbish them. I recently sent mine off to Rich at Cruzin Performance (http://www.cruzinperformance.com/fuelinj.html). I saw him mentioned favorably on this list - only reason I knew about him in particular. There are many other places that perform the same services I'm sure. You can look at his page to see the things he checks, cleans, and/or replaces. For $14/injector it was preferable for me to send them out instead of DIY. According to my report the injectors flow a bit more fuel now with very little variation between them. They weren't bad to begin with but now they're better. marty 96 M3 - clean injectors with festive new green o-rings and yellow pintle caps. 95 540i - injectors probably clean enough don wentz wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:10:28 -0800 > From: "don wentz" <dasduck@comcast.net> > Subject: Injector Cleaning > > Couple of questions, since someone mentioned Injectors... > > I have 94 build Euro 3.0L M3 motor in a 93 325is. > I'm sure it could use having the Injectors cleaned, is this something easily > done DIY, or is it highly recommended to send them 'out'? > If 'out' is the answer, best place to send them? >

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#9. RE: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from don wentz
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:08:03 -0800 From: "don wentz" <dasduck@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning Marty, I agree it's not worth it to mess with them at only $15 for complete cleaning and replacing of wear items. Plus you get before and after flow results, something hard to do on your own I expect. Headed to the garage to try and get them out now. And no Marc, not 'dissing' your abilities, just saying if you're gutsy enough to pull the head, I should be willing to tackle the Vanos ;-). dw -----Original Message----- From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:05 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:58:24 -0500 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning Injector cleaning could be a DIY job. I suppose you'd need an ultrasonic cleaner with appropriate solvent, a way to test the flow pattern and volume, and replacement parts (screens, o-rings, caps) if you were to disassemble and refurbish them. I recently sent mine off to Rich at Cruzin Performance (http://www.cruzinperformance.com/fuelinj.html). I saw him mentioned favorably on this list - only reason I knew about him in particular. There are many other places that perform the same services I'm sure. You can look at his page to see the things he checks, cleans, and/or replaces. For $14/injector it was preferable for me to send them out instead of DIY. According to my report the injectors flow a bit more fuel now with very little variation between them. They weren't bad to begin with but now they're better. marty 96 M3 - clean injectors with festive new green o-rings and yellow pintle caps. 95 540i - injectors probably clean enough -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:36:08 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning If it makes you feel any better, Vanos seems to be the most troublesome part of the whole ordeal. Anyone can tighten down some bolts but that vanos timing looks interesting :-P I'll cross that bridge once my head is measured and magnafluxed and my bore measurements are taken. Thanks, Mark On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 12:14 -0600, don wentz wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:08:03 -0800 > From: "don wentz" <dasduck@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning > > Marty, > I agree it's not worth it to mess with them at only $15 for complete > cleaning and replacing of wear items. Plus you get before and after flow > results, something hard to do on your own I expect. > Headed to the garage to try and get them out now. > > And no Marc, not 'dissing' your abilities, just saying if you're gutsy > enough to pull the head, I should be willing to tackle the Vanos ;-). > dw > > -----Original Message----- > From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:05 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning > > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:58:24 -0500 > From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Injector Cleaning > > Injector cleaning could be a DIY job. I suppose you'd need an > ultrasonic cleaner with appropriate solvent, a way to test the flow > pattern and volume, and replacement parts (screens, o-rings, caps) if > you were to disassemble and refurbish them. > > I recently sent mine off to Rich at Cruzin Performance > (http://www.cruzinperformance.com/fuelinj.html). I saw him mentioned > favorably on this list - only reason I knew about him in particular. > There are many other places that perform the same services I'm sure. > > You can look at his page to see the things he checks, cleans, and/or > replaces. For $14/injector it was preferable for me to send them out > instead of DIY. > > According to my report the injectors flow a bit more fuel now with very > little variation between them. They weren't bad to begin with but now > they're better. > > marty > 96 M3 - clean injectors with festive new green o-rings and yellow pintle > caps. > 95 540i - injectors probably clean enough > >

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