E36M3 #5114

Thursday, January 25, 2007 16:04:57

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#1. Re: Oxygen sensor - from Adam Lazur
#2. Re: [E36M3] Oxygen sensor - from L R
#3. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Mark Duckworth
#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: Head Gasket & Possible Block Work? - from Mark Duckworth
#5. aux. fan gone bad - from Mo Karamat
#6. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Jamie Howton
#7. Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) - from Mo Karamat
#8. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Carlos Lopez
#9. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Mark Duckworth
#10. wtb: e36 M3 5 speed sedan - from bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com

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#1. Re: Oxygen sensor - from Adam Lazur
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:40:04 -0800 From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> Subject: Re: Oxygen sensor L R (lhrc51@yahoo.com) said: > The oxygen sensor on the '95 M3 tripped the check engine light the > other day & I need to replace it. I assume it's a pretty > straightforward job, do you get these from the dealer or are there > other sources for it? I just replaced mine. There was a group buy on bimmerforums for a sensor for ~$65 shipped (dunno if it's still going on, but it's worth checking out). My 98k mile sensor didn't want to come off without a fight even after several hits with pb blaster. I ended up dropping the exhaust, standing on it, and smacking it around with a breaker bar + jack handle extension. When it finally broke free, I was pleased to see the threads in the exhaust were clean :) -- Adam Lazur

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Oxygen sensor - from L R
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: L R <lhrc51@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oxygen sensor Thanks Jim & Mark for the advice. I'll get the sensor from Bimmerparts & the tool from Autozone or Pep Boys ; ) Luis From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oxygen sensor Bimmerparts.com is a good source for many BMW parts. I've purchased O2 sensors (and other stuff) from them, and been happy. Typically, there's a special O2 sensor wrench that is used. It has a cut-out that allows it to fit over the wiring of the sensor as you fit it around the "nut" portion to remove it. I've always borrowed one when needed, but supposedly a 5/8"(?) open-end wrench will work as well. Jim Bassett --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:09:59 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heater hose This is a 1996 M3 S52. The picture/diagram of the hose in question is there. The hose is all metal but seems to have a plastic nipple embedded on the end that connects to the rubber hose which goes all the way around the bay to the expansion tank (which I am replacing btw in addition to the hoses). http://picasaweb.google.com/evaporated/M3Hose Thanks, Mark On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 11:44 -0600, Jamie Howton wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:39:26 -0600 > From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heater hose > > > There's a nice big metal heater hose on my engine. It connects to the > > overflow tank through a plastic nipple. > > You don't happen to have a picture of what you are talking about do > you? I am having a real hard time figuring out what you are referring > to. >

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#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: Head Gasket & Possible Block Work? - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:17:33 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Head Gasket & Possible Block Work? Patrick, I've decided to keep the car perhaps indefinitely, which factors into the decision. I have not the time, space, nor money to do the job 100% properly (new long block or full rebuild), nor the expertise really, but someday in a year or two I expect to do just that. And I test drove plenty of M3's lately. This one could pass for 99 with 80,000 miles, which factors into my decision to sink money into such an old vehicle. Especially handling wise, I think it'll be perfect again with new Control arms (ball joints) and tie rods. All that stuff I now rightly so consider to be "easy work". My car before the blown head gasket was worth $8500 or so. I say more, but the market says less. A new gen M3 could not be had for less than $25K that I found and the one I found for $25K had some serious issues from lack of care (and had 130,000 miles on top of it all). Who wants a car with an $8000 engine that has started metal transfer from lack of oil change? Best to pay the $5000 more. Best case scenario means I'm footing $16,500 for what is essentially a faster heavier version of my car. Sure my current car isn't as much of a uhmm.. unit extension if you know what I mean as a new one, but most all accounts point to the E36 being more fun to drive, and that's really what I'm in it for. I can't think of a situation where my current E36 will cost me more than $16,500 in the next 3-4 years like a new one would so why not. I want a race car and I want it on the cheap. My sincere hope is that my career will take off and in a couple years, rather than having $3K disposable, I'll have $8K and can do the job right :-P Or maybe I'll just buy another one for the collection. Who knows :-P Lack of car payments for that long will be very good for me since i put car payments that I would have paid away into savings. That's why to me the M3 isn't very expensive compared to a brand new domestic. None of my cars have ever taken more than $4800 a year in service and the M3 didn't need a dime of work until after it was paid off. I guess it all boils down to what you want and I'm just after the best value/what I can do ratio. Thanks, Mark On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 12:34 -0600, Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:31:27 -0600 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Head Gasket & Possible Block Work? > > Agreed and better cost/benefit if selling. A 180K car with a fresh head > is less valuable than a 180K car with a new heart. The new motor will > likely be more efficient too, yielding long term benefits also. > > I think it comes down if it's a 180K bmw that looks like 180k. > > Still a very hard and expensive decision either way, unless you are > getting custom work done too, (cams) etc. > > Patrick > 97 M3/4 turning 10 in 4 months > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:05 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Head Gasket & Possible Block Work? > > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:55:57 -0500 > From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> > Subject: Re: Head Gasket & Possible Block Work? > > I keep reading these posts and am being convinced a new long block from > BMW > is a pretty good deal . > > > > Regards, > Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net > Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 > Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ > 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ > 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ > > "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#5. aux. fan gone bad - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:22:57 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: aux. fan gone bad Brad, Hello.. You could try my friend Bill at Motorsport Recycling.732-791-2331. He can probably sell you a usd one for a good price. I am sure that he would guarantee it would work. Regards Mo -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:24:32 -0500 From: "Brad DeMotte" <brad@demottearchitects.com> Subject: aux. fan gone bad As a follow up to my overheating issues last week, it's being looked at right now. The jury's still out on whether it's a bad thermostat, water pump or just air bubbles. It appears as the aux. fan is shot as it keeps blowing fuses, so something's wrong electrically inside. Any alternative out there other than buying a new one for +$600, or is that the way to go? No guarantee for a salvaged unit, but a lot less expensive..... Brad DeMotte, R.A. DeMotte Architects 898 Ethan Allen Hwy., Suite 4 Ridgefield, CT 06877 Phone: 203 431 8890 - Fax: 203 431 8891 www.demottearchitects.com <http://www.demottearchitects.com/>

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:28:11 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heater hose That's interesting, that hose (number 6 in the diagram) is made from rubber in my car. In general however BMW hoses are not known to fail in fact I don't think I have ever head of it happening. There are plenty of other parts of the cooling systems that fail repeatedly, however you seem to be replacing them all. The short and yet unhelpful answer is -- I don't know. -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2004 645Ci 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#7. Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:28:34 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) I agree with Neil, bolt in cages do not do a lot for you in terms of protection when compared to a weld in cage. Folks really need to think about the car, and what they intend to do with it.. Also on the sub frame bushings, this can be easily done in the garage.. You just need a drill with some spade bits, some chisels, and a hammer.. (ask me how I know!) Just takes time.. Best Mo -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:04:58 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Subframe Bushing R&R (stock class race preparation) on 1/22/07 4:14 PM, "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> wrote: > My frown was for the weld in part, I would rather have a removable cage in > case I return the car to street/track duty. Not me. Speaking as one who has a bolt-in rollbar I'd recommend a welded-in cage. The amount of extra stiffness that gives to the chassis is amazing. I wonder how many track equipped cars do get returned to street duty and/or sold? (That's right, only driven at weekends, ma'am.) Could be wrong, but I suspect not all that many. They probably get too beat up, or sold as track cars or race car projects. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:42:05 -0500 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heater hose On 1/25/07, Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> wrote: > This is a 1996 M3 S52. The picture/diagram of the hose in question is > there. The hose is all metal but seems to have a plastic nipple > embedded on the end that connects to the rubber hose which goes all the > way around the bay to the expansion tank (which I am replacing btw in > addition to the hoses). > > http://picasaweb.google.com/evaporated/M3Hose Good deal now it's clear. :-) OK, so no my car had no plastic anything. The hose connected directly to the metal pipe and I just hose clamped it. Sorry, no help here. Carlos 98 M3

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Heater hose - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:51:54 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heater hose On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 14:28 -0600, Jamie Howton wrote: > That's interesting, that hose (number 6 in the diagram) is made from > rubber in my car. In general however BMW hoses are not known to fail > in fact I don't think I have ever head of it happening. There are > plenty of other parts of the cooling systems that fail repeatedly, > however you seem to be replacing them all. > > The short and yet unhelpful answer is -- I don't know. > Yeah it's definitely metal with a plastic insert on the end that the rubber hose clamps down to. I've had hoses fail on other makes of cars so I'm doing it as a matter of course. I had a coolant leak before this happened and I want to make absolutely sure it doesn't come back. Additionally since I am keeping this car for a while. Besides hoses are the cheapest part of this job with the exception of that metal one which is why I am avoiding it. Thanks, Mark

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#10. wtb: e36 M3 5 speed sedan - from bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: <bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com> Subject: wtb: e36 M3 5 speed sedan I'm starting to look, no big rush - given how picky I am it might take a while, so if you see something that fits the bill, please drop me an email. M3 sedan, 5 speed strongly prefer silver or black on black interior I need the split fold down rear seat option. I'm willing to pay a fair price based on service history, mileage, condition, etc. I'd prefer a car with none to minor mods. I'm in Houston but certainly wouldn't rule out traveling for the right car. Much less interested in a car that's seen salt on winter roads that might have rust. Thanks!

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