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#1. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:51:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs The biggest difference, AFAIK, is the design of the GC mount raises the the height at which the shock bolts up to the mount. That allows for more shock travel which leads to less riding on the bump stops. Both are of very high quality and would serve you well. -jeff 98///Sedan ||| 95///traqdog ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Ruiz <eurowerke@gmail..com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2007 6:24:18 PM Subject: [E36M3] RSMs Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:14:09 -0800 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: RSMs Hey all, Does anyone have the skinny on the Rogue vs GC RSMs? They both look good, I can't seem to decide. GC's say they have a lifetime warranty, but the Rogue units seem to have fewer parts (or is it just that the GC unit comes with new upper and lower washers because of a change in bushing design?) The price difference is minimal, so that's no big deal, and I do know Rogue sponsors the list, but I just was wondering what the *real* differences are been between the two. Thanks guys, Brian build 8/95 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports..com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo..com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
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#2. Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness On Mon, February 5, 2007 6:34 pm, LoweSeaton@aol.com said: > Thanks for your explanation but I'm afraid you didn't answer my question - > sorry I wasn't clear. My question is "Why are 2-year old belts > disallowed?" AFAIK, it's simple - the rules say they are. In addition, BMW CCA Club Racing started requiring 6-point or 7-point harnesses for 2007, so the 5-points would have had to be replaced, regardless of date. > Do seat belts deteriorate over time? Thay can, if abused, left out in the sun, kept dirty, etc. The reason why I showed pictures, none of these issues apply to my belts. Nor would I sell then if any of the above applied. > Are 2+ year old belts likely to > fail in > an impact? Unlikely. > If it is proven that 2+ year old seat belts are likely to fail in an > impact, > that is news to me and very worrisome. I doubt that it's "proven" anywhere. I'm sure there is a reason 2 years was chosen for the SFI expiration date, and 5 years for FIA, but am not really interested in doing your homework for you. > If old belts are unsafe, then I'll buy new ones. AFAIK, old belts are not unsafe. No moreso that a 10-year old helmet that has been well cared for, never in an accident, etc. But you still have to buy a new one. Why? Because that's what the rules (racing & DE in this case) say. Racing organizations almost always have "expiration dates" for various safety components. But, thanks for assuming that I would somehow be selling a piece of safety equipment that was somehow "unsafe". Thanks a lot. The belts are in very good condition, but according the rules I can no longer use them, otherwise they'd still be in the car. But they can still be used in a DE or for a passenger harness, and rather than throw them away I thought someone might be able to take advantage of that fact. Someone did for the last set of 2-year-old "expired" harnesses I had, and AFAIK, he's still alive. This is a pretty common "recycling" use for racing harnesses. > Should we all be replacing our > seat > belts in our street cars every 2 years? Now you're being ridiculous. Jim Bassett
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#3. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness - from Marco
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:19:21 -0800 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness The theory is that UV light damages the webbing in the belts and in an impact they will stretch farther than they should. Now I really doubt most amateur race cars see that much UV, but then maybe some do. Mine sits in a garage about 350 days out of the year. But I see plenty sitting outside of shops waiting to be worked on too. Plus the odds of grease and oil contributing to the decay of the webbing is probably higher for a race car. http://www.competitionplus.com/12_17_2003/recertify.html Marco -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:04 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness On Mon, February 5, 2007 6:34 pm, LoweSeaton@aol.com said: > Thanks for your explanation but I'm afraid you didn't answer my > question - sorry I wasn't clear. My question is "Why are 2-year old > belts disallowed?" AFAIK, it's simple - the rules say they are. In addition, BMW CCA Club Racing started requiring 6-point or 7-point harnesses for 2007, so the 5-points would have had to be replaced, regardless of date. > Do seat belts deteriorate over time? Thay can, if abused, left out in the sun, kept dirty, etc. The reason why I showed pictures, none of these issues apply to my belts. Nor would I sell then if any of the above applied. > Are 2+ year old belts likely to > fail in > an impact? Unlikely. > If it is proven that 2+ year old seat belts are likely to fail in an > impact, that is news to me and very worrisome. I doubt that it's "proven" anywhere. I'm sure there is a reason 2 years was chosen for the SFI expiration date, and 5 years for FIA, but am not really interested in doing your homework for you. > If old belts are unsafe, then I'll buy new ones. AFAIK, old belts are not unsafe. No moreso that a 10-year old helmet that has been well cared for, never in an accident, etc. But you still have to buy a new one. Why? Because that's what the rules (racing & DE in this case) say. Racing organizations almost always have "expiration dates" for various safety components. But, thanks for assuming that I would somehow be selling a piece of safety equipment that was somehow "unsafe". Thanks a lot. The belts are in very good condition, but according the rules I can no longer use them, otherwise they'd still be in the car. But they can still be used in a DE or for a passenger harness, and rather than throw them away I thought someone might be able to take advantage of that fact. Someone did for the last set of 2-year-old "expired" harnesses I had, and AFAIK, he's still alive. This is a pretty common "recycling" use for racing harnesses. > Should we all be replacing our > seat > belts in our street cars every 2 years? Now you're being ridiculous. Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 9:58 PM
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#4. Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:28:31 -0500 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness On 2/5/07, LoweSeaton@aol.com <LoweSeaton@aol.com> wrote: > Thanks for your explanation but I'm afraid you didn't answer my question - > sorry I wasn't clear. My question is "Why are 2-year old belts disallowed?" Rules. All of it came after Dale Earnhardts's death, pretty much every racing series has re-written their safety rules. Carlos.
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Carfax request - from Todd C. Merrill
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:48:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Todd C. Merrill" <tmerrill@mathworks.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Carfax request Also looking to run a VIN. Not really in the market, but an opportunity has presented itself that I really can't ignore at least looking into... Please email privately. -Todd
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:51:42 -0500 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs On 2/5/07, Brian Ruiz <eurowerke@gmail.com> wrote: >Does anyone have the skinny on the Rogue vs GC RSMs? They both look good, >I can't seem to decide. I've had a couple of sets of GC ones for year and years and they're still going strong. No experience with the Rogue ones but other aftermarket ones I absolutely despise (they don't last worth a damn). Carlos 98 M3 with tck ones for now but will switch to GC ones in the spring 89 325i will get the tck ones :-)
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#7. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness On Mon, February 5, 2007 7:24 pm, Marco said: > The theory is that UV light damages the webbing in the belts and in an > impact they will stretch farther than they should. Now I really doubt > most > amateur race cars see that much UV, but then maybe some do. Mine sits in > a > garage about 350 days out of the year. But I see plenty sitting outside > of > shops waiting to be worked on too. > > Plus the odds of grease and oil contributing to the decay of the webbing > is > probably higher for a race car. > > http://www.competitionplus.com/12_17_2003/recertify.html Fair enough (I think I alluded to this as a possible issue). I'll mention that while the race car lives outside, when parked or otherwise not being used it is protected by a Noah car cover. Jim Bassett - thinking would have been easier to just throw the damn things away
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#8. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness - from Walter J
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:24:31 -0500 From: "Walter J" <walter.gator@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness Hey Jim... just an FYI, you may not need to toss those or sell 'em for nothing. Depending on the sanctioning body - a lot of SCCA guys will re-web their belts. I know Safequip at least will just hook up your hardware to fresh nylon for for $60->$90. While not crazy cheap for some towing strap and stitches... better than $200 every 2yrs. -- Walter Jordan 610.704.2280 walter.gator@gmail.com
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#9. Re: Seat belt Club Racing rules - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:31:03 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: Seat belt Club Racing rules In a message dated 2/5/07 11:34:50 PM Central Standard Time, walter.gator@gmail.com writes: Hey Jim... just an FYI, you may not need to toss those or sell 'em for nothing. Depending on the sanctioning body - a lot of SCCA guys will re-web their belts. I know Safequip at least will just hook up your hardware to fresh nylon for for $60->$90. While not crazy cheap for some towing strap and stitches... better than $200 every 2yrs. ---------------------------- Nah. Jim has bigger problems than cheapness. His sanctioning body is outlawing 5-point harnesses, period. He has to get a 6 or 7-point harness according to the rules. Jim - I didn't mean to call you a child killer. I'm sorry if offended you. I should have used a bunch of smiley faces to indicate I wasn't serious. I'm not a club racer so I didn't know you had to replace seat belts every 2 years. I knew helmets age expire - which reminds me, I need to check my helmet. [returning to computer] It is a Snell 95. Am I OK with it or is it obsolete? Carlos mentioned Dale Earnhart's death as the impetus for the strict seat belt CR rules. I may put my foot in my mouth here but it won't be the first time. I really liked Dale Earnhart, very sorry to see his death. I saw his crash live (on TV) and didn't think it was much at all. Did NASCAR ever make a ruling on his cause of death? I didn't think it was due to equipment failure. I thought it was more due to his refusal to use the latest, greatest safety equipment like HANS head restraint and having his shoulder harness way too loose. He was "old school" and did what he wanted. It was just a 1 in a million freakish impact. He probably could have hit head on and walked away. We'll never know. He might have died even if he had tight harness belts and head restraint. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer but I personally would probably be hesitant to sell any sort of safety equipment to another person. On the other hand, I have bought used safety equipment, i.e., Schroth 4-point harness. If I kill myself, I promise I won't sue. You can get ridiculous in a hurry. For example, what about tires? Would you sell a patched tire? I don't think tire manufacturers will warrant a tire that has been patched, correct? If you patch a speed rated tire, according to the tire manufacturers, it is no longer eligible for speed rating? Do Club Racing rules prohibit racing on patched tires? I know if take a tire to the local Discount Tire, half the time they won't patch it because "it is too close to the shoulder or the hole is too big." Of course they are very happy to sell you a new tire. I'm not knocking all of the Club Racing rules. Doesn't BMW CCA require you to replace your lower control arm every year or 30 races or something if you have the M30 aluminum arm because there have been failures? If there is a good reason for preventive measures, I'm all for it. It might cost me a little money but so be it. Better than buying a coffin. Lowell Seaton (Opinions expressed above are disjointed ramblings of the speaker and do not reflect reality or the belief of credible members of the E36M3 list.)
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Seat belt Club Racing rules - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:52:59 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Seat belt Club Racing rules On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:34 PM, LoweSeaton@aol.com wrote: > [returning to computer] It is a Snell 95. Am I OK with it or is it > obsolete? Depends on the sanctioning body, but for BMW CR and the rest of BMW CCA events, it expired last October. The rule of thumb is 2 cycles plus one year grace. > Carlos mentioned Dale Earnhart's death as the impetus for the > strict seat > belt CR rules. I may put my foot in my mouth here but it won't be > the first > time. I really liked Dale Earnhart, very sorry to see his death. > I saw his > crash live (on TV) and didn't think it was much at all. Did > NASCAR ever make a > ruling on his cause of death? I didn't think it was due to equipment > failure. I thought it was more due to his refusal to use the > latest, greatest > safety equipment like HANS head restraint and having his shoulder > harness way too > loose. He was "old school" and did what he wanted. It was just a > 1 in a > million freakish impact. He probably could have hit head on and > walked away. > We'll never know. He might have died even if he had tight harness > belts and > head restraint. Want to see why a HANS should be mandatory in every series? This is the HANS presentation at the 2003 NASCAR safety conference: <http://www.justracing.com/galleries/displayimage.php?album=20&pos=3> Dr. Melvin spoke at the 2006 BMW CCA Driving Events Congress, which I attended. His presentation was riveting, to put it mildly. > I'm not knocking all of the Club Racing rules. Doesn't BMW CCA > require you > to replace your lower control arm every year or 30 races or > something if you > have the M30 aluminum arm because there have been failures? There is no hard-and-fast requirement, but there is a very strong recommendation. The rules clarification handling this is no longer on the BMW CR web site, if I'm looking in the right place. Interesting. (note that while I am the DEC of the Golden Gate Chapter and also the PR Manager for BMW Club Racing, I am speaking here as an individual) - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar