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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: RSMs - from David Thomas
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:50:52 -0800 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RSMs On Tuesday 06 February 2007 1:44 pm, Neil Maller wrote: > I liked them a good bit more than my previous GC RSM's, which had some > flaws. However it appears that GC has substantially redesigned their > product since then: > <http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=7/CA=9>. > Anyone actually seen and touched the new ones? I have had the new style GC's on our M3 for over a year...no problems. Dave
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:50:45 -0500 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs did not like that I could not tighten the shock nut > against a hard stop; In general, tightening fasteners against compliant > components with no "stop" is not good engineering practice. I agree with you Dave. Years ago after I installed my Koni DA's (12mm shaft), I tried to work on this 'problem' with Jim Mihal but he convinced me it was not a real problem. Basically, I was trying to eliminate a "clanking" noise emanating from that area. I devised my own sleeve and reamed out the bushing - I was proud of my work but it did not eliminate the clank. At this point I value Jim and Ben's opinion on this one, so I'm left with believing my Koni DA's are just noisy bastards ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: dave@sasdatalink.com To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:17:14 -0800 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs On Tuesday 06 February 2007 1:13 pm, David Michael wrote: > That's exactly what I did not like about them. While peoples experience may > show it to be OK, I did not like that I could not tighten the shock nut > against a hard stop; In general, tightening fasteners against compliant > components with no "stop" is not good engineering practice. > > Dave Perhaps not, but it sure seems more than sufficient for this application. I have run RSM's on my E30's with the same setup 'forever' and never had an issue. Dave ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs On Tue, February 6, 2007 1:54 pm, mdriver13@aol.com said: > At this point I value Jim and Ben's opinion on this one, so > I'm left with believing my Koni DA's are just noisy bastards ;-)) Not sure if I'm the "Jim" who's opinion you want (especially after my recent behaviour :-)), but I'll chime in nonetheless :-) I too, am trying to track down a "clanking noise" from the rear of the car, but my first suspect is the heim-joint rear sway bar end links (which I'm in the process of getting replaced). So maybe the issue is a bit lower than the RSMs? :-) My 2 cents, Jim Bassett
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#4. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:51:22 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs In a message dated 2/6/2007 5:01:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, jim@jimbassett.com writes: my first suspect is the heim-joint rear sway bar end links (which I'm in the process of getting replaced). So maybe the issue is a bit lower Jim, I sure hope that's it. Maybe those Eibach end links are the source of my problem (light bulb illuminates in vast space of emptiness -- known as my brain). Who's link are you going to use -- inquiring minds want to know? PS: This could be the good karma thing from helping two people today in the bitter cold ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: RSMs - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:54:48 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RSMs On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 15:44 -0600, Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:36:35 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: RSMs > > on 2/6/07 3:54 PM, David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote: > > > The GC RMS's have a much larger footprint while the Rouge [Rogue] units seem > > to be the same size as the OEM RSM's. > > > > http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/suspension/rsm/re_ > > rsm_300.jpg > > > > http://www.ground-control-store.com/images/fullsize/bmwmountfull_fs.jpg > > I posted a review of the Rogue RSM's in July 2004, see Digest #3812. There > were couple of things I especially liked about them: > > on 7/15/04 3:38 PM, Neil Maller at neil.maller@gte.net wrote: > > > The inner steel sleeve and the upper and lower washers are stainless steel. > > Those of use who live in areas with real weather and who have removed the rear > > shocks know that these parts have a tendency to corrode themselves onto the > > shock shaft. Using stainless is a thoughtful touch. > > > > A unique feature is the machined relief around the bushing recess on the > > underside of the main RSM body. This provides clearance for the lower thrust > > washer so that it doesn't smack into the RSM and make noise. It also allows > > for easier angular motion of the shock as the suspension travels, but without > > compromising bushing stiffness. > > I liked them a good bit more than my previous GC RSM's, which had some > flaws. However it appears that GC has substantially redesigned their product > since then: > <http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=7/CA=9>. > Anyone actually seen and touched the new ones? > > The RE RSM's are still on the car and still make no noise, so they've > definitely proven to be durable. I am using these "new design" GC RSMs. Though my car sees no track duty, they were put in and are doing quite well last time I took a look. Thanks, Mark
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#6. Re: Seat belt Club Racing rules - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:14:58 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Seat belt Club Racing rules on 2/6/07 3:54 PM, "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > Yep, big PITA if you ask me. I realize *some* requirement needs to be in > place, but 2 years is a bit much, in my uneducated opinion. > > Which was another reason I wanted to change harnesses, to go with a set > that was FIA rated (5 year life span). While we're all in True Confessions mode, I bought my 6-point Schroths (FIA spec) from a friend. They were two or three years old but had been sitting in his garage, new in the box. Not much UV degradation there. That's what happens to people who have perpetual racecar rebuilding projects: the harnesses get close to their expiration date way before the car is done! I'm not even slightly worried about the integrity of these harnesses. It's also worth pointing out that normal car window glass blocks a fair amount of UV, so harnesses sitting exposed in a formula car is one thing, ours in a garaged tin-top is quite another. CR rules make sense because they can't make individual judgment calls on this stuff the way individual drivers can for themselves. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#7. Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:27:24 -0500 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness Jim, In addition to Walter's tip on rewebbing, you can also upgrade at the same time to 6-points. I did that last year when I had my harnesses rewebbed. The hardware differences are minor, and easily added. Regards, Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 '01 740i Sport On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:54 PM, E36M3 wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:45:23 -0800 (PST) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] [FS] Sparco 5-point harness > > On Mon, February 5, 2007 9:34 pm, Walter J said: >> Hey Jim... just an FYI, you may not need to toss those or sell 'em >> for >> nothing. Depending on the sanctioning body - a lot of SCCA guys will >> re-web their belts. I know Safequip at least will just hook up your >> hardware to fresh nylon for for $60->$90. While not crazy cheap for >> some towing strap and stitches... better than $200 every 2yrs. > > Good tip Walter. > > However in my case I also needed to "upgrade" to a 6-point set up, > so that > necessitated the change as well. > > Plus I had the opportunity to change to a 2" lap belt. Supposed works > better in a crash, based on being able to fit over the pelvis better > (?), > but also more comfortable. I only had one on-track session with then > (non-race), but I definitely noticed the comfort aspect. Be > interested to > see how they perform "in battle". > > Jim Bassett
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:36:03 -0500 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams James, I appreciate the offer. Right now I have some '96+ cats waiting for the weather to warm up a little to go on. I'll dyno the car after that to see what difference it makes (but I don't think it'll be the 30 hp I'm looking for). I'm willing to replace the VANOS, too, but it's quiet, and has no other symptoms that I can discern. Any suggestions on where to install the O2 sensor with the '96+ cats? Regards, Martin On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:54 PM, E36M3 wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Clay [mailto:james@bimmerworld.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:22 AM >> To: 'Jon Siccardi - Treehouse'; 'Patrick Kelly'; 'E36M3' >> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams >> >> Martin's cams are somewhat of an enigma. I have seen the dyno in the > past, >> and it could be a torque hole caused by an exhaust system. But at >> that >> point in the RPM, it is pretty odd. The Vanos should be switching >> well >> before then unless it is a lazy unit. Or there could be some >> other issue >> going on. We would be happy to look at it here. >> >> The Sunbelt cams are an out of the box solution for the OBD-II >> cars. OBD > I >> cars suffer from a very restrictive cat that simply won't let the >> engine >> flow air, cams or not. Upgrading this to a 96+ unit, track pipe, >> etc will >> help a ton and we have tuning for either. >> >> James Clay >> http://www.bimmerworld.com >> http://www.bimmerworldracing.com >> http://www.powerflexusa.com >> Race Proven BMW Performance >> 877.639.9648
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#9. FW: [E36M3] FS: 1993 325i, only $3000 or best offer....for Chester - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:35:20 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: FW: [E36M3] FS: 1993 325i, only $3000 or best offer....for Chester Here ya go.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Chamberlain [mailto:jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:35 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] FS: 1993 325i, only $3000 or best offer. > > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:28:08 -0500 > From: "Jesse Chamberlain" <jesse.chamberlain@gmail.com> > Subject: FS: 1993 325i, only $3000 or best offer. > > Hi All, > > I've decided to replace my 1993 Alpine White II 325i with > 196K miles on it, with a newer car, an 01 Saab 9-5. I still > have a 95 M3 with about the same mileage, so I'm not leaving > the BMW world. :) > > I am looking to get around $3000 for the car, or best offer. It has > 196K miles on it, but it runs and drives very well. I have > done all the maintenance on it myself, and detail the car at > least every month > (means wash, wax and clean inside). The car came from the factory > with the Cold weather package, and sport package, so it has > the LSD and Sport seats. I have always changed the oil every > 3K miles, and use Castrol oil. The car is located in Western > Mass, near the Westfield/Springfield area. > > Here is what the car has: > -- Full OE M3 body kit (front and rear bumper, sport side skirts, and > M3 door moldings), painted at the BMW dealer. > -- Full M3 suspension (front and rear sway bars from a 95, > with the correct swaybar connection to the strut, Springs > from 95 M3, front and rear Monroe M3 Shocks and struts, and > 96+ front strut mounts) > -- M3 Cat back exhaust from a 95. > -- Wood trim interior > -- 17" LTW replica wheels. > -- 15" set of snow tires (factory original) > -- 96+ M3 exhaust headers > -- 5 speed Manual. > -- cold weather package > -- sport package. > > Here is what has been replaced (do to age) with-in the last 15K miles. > -- Monroe Struts and shocks (less than 10K on them) > -- Front M3 Strut mounts (less than 2K on them) > -- Front control arms (~15K on them) > -- Front M3 centered control arm bushings (~15K on them) > -- Front swaybar links (~10K on them) > -- Front engine mounts (less than 1K on them) > -- Front tie-rods (inner and outer) (~10K on them) > -- Catalytic converter (Less than 10K on it) > -- O2 sensor (Less than 10K on it) > -- Clutch slave cylinder (replaced only a few weeks ago, > preventative when the one in my M3 died) > -- Flushed the brake fluid (a few weeks ago) > -- Front brake rotors and pads (Less than 10K miles) > > Some other stuff that has been replaced within last 40K miles: > -- Flushed cooling system > -- Replaced Waterpump (about 35K miles on it) > -- Replaced Thermostat (about 35K miles on it) > -- Replace front brake calipers with rebuilt units due to a > stuck caliper. > -- Rear Shock mounts (I have a new set already, just haven't > put them in) > -- Rear Trailing arm bushings (I have a new set of the 96+ M3 > ones, just haven't found time to put them in) > > Now for the "bad" things on this car: > -- Three quarter sized rust spots on the car. These are only > surface rust spots, just under the paint, and can easily be > touched up. There is one on the rear passenger fender arch, > one on the rear drivers door where the window trim meets the > paint, and one on the Passenger Front door, same spot. > -- The interior leather is probably a 5/10. The rear seats > are worn and have scratches on them, the passenger front seat > is actually in pretty good shape for the years and miles, but > the Drivers seat is pretty worn. It has a small hole the > size of a dime in the side bolster. The rest of the interior > is in good shape and the car comes with floor mats. > > I will have some pictures available in a couple of days, as I > would like to wash and wax the car this weekend and then take > pictures of the car then. Feel free to email me with any > questions or if you would like to see pictures of it. > > I still drive this car every day, and it gets good gas mileage, about > 26 highway and 20ish in the city, 22 on average. > > Thanks for the time! > > Jesse Chamberlain > jesse.chamberlain@ gmail.com > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport > High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse > Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports > Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release > Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:35:34 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, m3rb@comcast.net writes: I've been running Rogues that way for a couple years. You can't torque the nut to spec (43 ft-lbs, I think?) though. The rubber gets squeezed 'orribly way before that. I seem to remember getting to something less than 10 ft-lbs when the rubber bulged somewhat, & stopped there and used red Loctite. That's right. I have a value of 11 ft-lbs. from Ben Liaw and that works. 43 ft-lbs! -- Your not performing a mammogram on the poor girl!!!!! Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering