E36M3 #5129

Wednesday, February 07, 2007 16:14:47

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#1. RE: Two Questions - from kim.burgess@att.net
#2. RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams - from Patrick Kelly
#3. RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams - from James Clay
#4. RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams - from James Clay
#5. Re: RSMs - from Neil Maller
#6. Staggered Wheels vs uni - from Azik [Hotmail]
#7. Re: [E36M3] Staggered Wheels vs uni - from Carlos Lopez
#8. BreyKrause harness bar for sale - from tim ng
#9. WTB: '96 M3 headers - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
#10. Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Tucker Ryals

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#1. RE: Two Questions - from kim.burgess@att.net
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:51:51 +0000 From: kim.burgess@att.net Subject: RE: Two Questions As I recall it was only the 95 LWT that came stock on staggered 7.5F/8.5R wheels shod with 235/40R17s. And true I believe the origional scary-in-standing-water MXXX3s were said to be a 7.5 fitment. I think it an unfar comparison to relate treadware of my RA-1s to any street tire. The edge are gone before the centers always. I shoot for 40psi hot. On the other hand my staggered PS2s I run at 36 F / 34 R and I alway have tread left on the center of the fronts when I replace the bald in-the-center rears. Non-staggered would allow me to rotate every 5K and even out the wear patterns. I've had some bad luck picking up bolts with my rears but at this point I've been through two sets of rears and still have tread left in the center of my fronts. KLB -------------- Original message from "Tom Yee" <tomgsr@hotmail.com>: -------------- > Hi, Kim, > > Thank you for your reply. I know the 95 M3 had a non-staggered setup with > the 7.5" wide wheels and 235/40s. Strange how it is not recommended any > longer (but I believe that it was for the MXX3s that were OEM). > > Do you experience any unusual wear, particularly in the tread centers? What > do you run for inflation pressure? > Regards, Tom Yee > >Right. I run 235/40R17 RA-1s on 7.5 all around and know a lot of people > >that do also. > >I looked up a PS2 just for fun. You only loose .30 inches from axle to > >ground and get an increase of .60 inches of section width (measured on an > >8" wheel) moving from a 225/45 to a 235/40, though this tire is not > >recommended on a 7.5 inch wheel. > >225/45 ZR17 suggested rim 7-8.5" measured rim 7.5" section 8.9" dia 25..0" > >rpms 833 > >235/40 ZR17 suggested rim 8-9.5" measured rim 8.5" section 9.5” dia 24.4" > >rpms 852 > >245/40 ZR17 suggested rim 8-9.5" measured rim 8.5" section 9.8" dia 24..7" > >rpms 841 > > > >and a 235/45 is too tall > >235/45 ZR17 suggested rim 7.5-9" measured rim 8.0" section 9.3" dia 25..4" > >rpms 820 > > > >KLB

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams - from Patrick Kelly
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:03:09 -0500 From: "Patrick Kelly" <pkelly@agincourtcapital.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams OK, (at the risk of beating this horse bloody) if I understand: For a '95, will swapping out the exhaust manifolds and intermediate (cat) pipe from an S52 do the trick, or do I need to get headers and a race pipe? In other words, will the OBD-II manifold/cat pipe get me 50% of the way there or 90%, compared to the headers/track pipe? This is in conjunction with the cam upgrade. Remember, I need to upgrade the retainers, which is why I'm going in there in the first place... TIA, Pat Kelly~ pkelly@agincourtcapital.com > -----Original Message----- > From: James Clay [mailto:james@bimmerworld.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:20 PM > To: pkelly@agincourtcapital.com; 'Jon Siccardi - Treehouse'; 'E36M3' > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams > > The y pipe is the killer. Honestly, I would go with 96+ cats or a Track > Pipe before any sort of cams. The Sunbelts are easier on the driveline and > do make more power, but the Schricks worked for years (you may be able to > locate a used set?). > > PS - there is a dynop on our site under OBDII cam kit of a stock car with > this kit, stock exhaust, 96+. That is the general trend or should be of the > output. > > James Clay > http://www.bimmerworld.com > http://www.bimmerworldracing.com > http://www.powerflexusa.com > Race Proven BMW Performance > 877.639.9648 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Kelly [mailto:pkelly@agincourtcapital.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:18 PM > To: james@bimmerworld.com; 'Jon Siccardi - Treehouse'; 'E36M3' > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams > > So, what's the best choice--Schrick or Sunbelt--on a '95M3, assuming: > 1) Just cams (w/ Euro HFM, 24# injectors, chip, CAI) > 2) Cams+3.2L manifold/Y-pipe/cat > > And lastly, which is it--the exhaust manifold, the Y-pipe, or the cat--that > creates the restriction on the '95s (i.e., which to replace first, if given > the choice). > > <grumble> I thought this was plug and play </grumble> > > Pat Kelly~ > > pkelly@agincourtcapital.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Clay [mailto:james@bimmerworld.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:22 AM > > To: 'Jon Siccardi - Treehouse'; 'Patrick Kelly'; 'E36M3' > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams > > > > Martin's cams are somewhat of an enigma. I have seen the dyno in the > past, > > and it could be a torque hole caused by an exhaust system. But at that > > point in the RPM, it is pretty odd. The Vanos should be switching well > > before then unless it is a lazy unit. Or there could be some other issue > > going on. We would be happy to look at it here. > > > > The Sunbelt cams are an out of the box solution for the OBD-II cars. OBD > I > > cars suffer from a very restrictive cat that simply won't let the engine > > flow air, cams or not. Upgrading this to a 96+ unit, track pipe, etc will > > help a ton and we have tuning for either. > > > > James Clay > > http://www.bimmerworld.com > > http://www.bimmerworldracing.com > > http://www.powerflexusa.com > > Race Proven BMW Performance > > 877.639.9648 > > > >

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#3. RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams - from James Clay
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:52:06 -0500 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams For an example, the 95 M3 300Hp cam kit every vendor sells based on Schrick cams comes in super short on the dyno - unless the cat has been upgraded. I think you might be surprised. I do think the dip in your dyno may indicate some other issue - I would be happy to check the vanos switch point on your chip if you want to send the file over. O2 - I like 4-6 bank. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com http://www.powerflexusa.com Race Proven BMW Performance 877.639.9648 _____ From: Martin Bullen [mailto:vze322dw@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:36 PM To: E36M3 Cc: james@bimmerworld.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams James, I appreciate the offer. Right now I have some '96+ cats waiting for the weather to warm up a little to go on. I'll dyno the car after that to see what difference it makes (but I don't think it'll be the 30 hp I'm looking for). I'm willing to replace the VANOS, too, but it's quiet, and has no other symptoms that I can discern. Any suggestions on where to install the O2 sensor with the '96+ cats? Regards, Martin On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:54 PM, E36M3 wrote: -----Original Message----- From: James Clay [mailto:james@bimmerworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:22 AM To: 'Jon Siccardi - Treehouse'; 'Patrick Kelly'; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams Martin's cams are somewhat of an enigma. I have seen the dyno in the past, and it could be a torque hole caused by an exhaust system. But at that point in the RPM, it is pretty odd. The Vanos should be switching well before then unless it is a lazy unit. Or there could be some other issue going on. We would be happy to look at it here. The Sunbelt cams are an out of the box solution for the OBD-II cars. OBD I cars suffer from a very restrictive cat that simply won't let the engine flow air, cams or not. Upgrading this to a 96+ unit, track pipe, etc will help a ton and we have tuning for either. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com http://www.powerflexusa.com Race Proven BMW Performance 877.639.9648

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#4. RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams - from James Clay
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:52:06 -0500 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams 96+ cats will get you 70% there versus a track pipe. The headers are gravy, about 10-15 more Hp over a track pipe alone. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com http://www.powerflexusa.com Race Proven BMW Performance 877.639.9648 -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Kelly [mailto:pkelly@agincourtcapital.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:03 AM To: james@bimmerworld.com; 'Jon Siccardi - Treehouse'; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sunbelt Cams OK, (at the risk of beating this horse bloody) if I understand: For a '95, will swapping out the exhaust manifolds and intermediate (cat) pipe from an S52 do the trick, or do I need to get headers and a race pipe? In other words, will the OBD-II manifold/cat pipe get me 50% of the way there or 90%, compared to the headers/track pipe?

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#5. Re: RSMs - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:21:13 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: RSMs on 2/6/07 11:54 PM, mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > I'm left with believing my Koni DA's are just noisy bastards ;-)) Mine are too, as I discovered when I substituted different shocks as an experiment. So, not a lot of data points, but I'm thinking it's a case of "They all do that" with regards to Koni DA's. Which isn't to say that aftermarket swaybar links don't wear and make knocking noises too. BTDT. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#6. Staggered Wheels vs uni - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:55:18 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Staggered Wheels vs uni Hi Group. I would like to know some pro's and con's on this topic. I have: - 1 set with almost new 235/40R17 Yokohama AVS Sport's on staggered 7 1/2"x17 and 8 1/2"x17 motorsport style 24 from my totalled Euro M3 1994 - 1 set of winter 225/45R17 tyres on 7 1/2"x17 all corners and two 8 1/2"x17 rims all in polished style 24 wheels from my current 98 Euro M3. Planning for daily driving April-October on summer tyres as well as occasional track driving without much agression, say 8/10. what are the pro's of 225/45 17 front with 245/40 17 rears apart from ride height (which is a problem for me with 235/40 with my understore garage) compared to 235/40 allround ? In case if I go for 225/245 front/rear I will have to buy 4 new tires and either throw away two winter tires or buy 2 more 7 1/2"x17 polishet style 24 for front (and sell motorsport style 24 from my old M3). Thanks in advance Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:12:05 +0000 > From: kim.burgess@att.net > Subject: RE: Two Questions > > Right. I run 235/40R17 RA-1s on 7.5 all around and know a lot of people > that do also. > I looked up a PS2 just for fun. You only loose .30 inches from axle to > ground and get an increase of .60 inches of section width (measured on an > 8" wheel) moving from a 225/45 to a 235/40, though this tire is not > recommended on a 7.5 inch wheel. > 225/45 ZR17 suggested rim 7-8.5" measured rim 7.5" section 8.9" dia 25.0" > rpms 833 > 235/40 ZR17 suggested rim 8-9.5" measured rim 8.5" section 9.5” dia 24.4" > rpms 852 > 245/40 ZR17 suggested rim 8-9.5" measured rim 8.5" section 9.8" dia 24.7" > rpms 841 > > and a 235/45 is too tall > 235/45 ZR17 suggested rim 7.5-9" measured rim 8.0" section 9.3" dia 25.4" > rpms 820 > > KLB >

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Staggered Wheels vs uni - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:14:04 -0500 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Staggered Wheels vs uni On 2/7/07, Azik [Hotmail] <azik@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Group. > I would like to know some pro's and con's on this topic. > I have: > - 1 set with almost new 235/40R17 Yokohama AVS Sport's on staggered 7 > 1/2"x17 and 8 1/2"x17 motorsport style 24 from my totalled Euro M3 1994 > - 1 set of winter 225/45R17 tyres on 7 1/2"x17 all corners and two 8 1/2"x17 > rims all in polished style 24 wheels from my current 98 Euro M3. If you have two complete sets of style 24s, combine them in such a way that you have the 8.5" ones for the track (with same sized tires on all), and leave the 7.5s for daily driving or winter driving. If you end up with two left over rims, sell them on ebay.de Carlos 98 M3 non Euro :-( but with style 24s :-)

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#8. BreyKrause harness bar for sale - from tim ng
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:19:09 -0500 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: BreyKrause harness bar for sale http://www.bkauto.com/bmw/r1201.php I am selling my Brey-Krause harness bar for 2 door e36, 325/328/m3. I am going to a full cage set up so I no longer need this. This would be gr8 for a auto-x. This bar is VERY sturdy, strong and is not just the seat belt style bar that will de-capitate you. check out the web site from the company new is $400. I will sell it for $250+shipping from Atlanta my email is s14realm3@hotmail.com or you can call me 678-464-1603 Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 95 BUZZNM3 dakar yella 94 325i future track car 92 325ic M-Technic pkg 91 M3 garage queen 89 325ia commuter car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car ------------------ project 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures

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#9. WTB:  '96 M3 headers - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:57:44 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: WTB: '96 M3 headers Looking to buy a set of the '96+ factory tubular headers. Email with price/condition.pics preferred. Thanks. Jack Money Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com

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#10. Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Tucker Ryals
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Gruppe, I've posted my car for sale in all of the typical places and have received an overwhelmingly tepid response. Granted I didn't expect it to sell the first day or two, but I at least hoped to generate some interest. So, am I off base with the price? That is the only thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? Does anyone have any suggestions? Here is the link again, just in case. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&highlight=1995+m3+sale Thanks, Tucker ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail

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