E36M3 #5130

Wednesday, February 07, 2007 21:05:06

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#1. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from Brian Ruiz
#2. Re: RSMs - from jmihal@jt-designs.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Rich Dorffer
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Scott McClung
#5. Re: 1995 M3 for sale - from kim.burgess@att.net
#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Mark Duckworth
#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: RSMs - from Chris Teague
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Jamie Howton
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Raza Uddin
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from David Thomas

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#1. Re: [E36M3] RSMs - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:31:07 -0800 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RSMs Hey all, Well, I went ahead and bit the bullet on the GC RSMs. However, I have one more question: I currently have Bilstein Sports on the car, but I am going to upgrade soon to PSS9s. Does anyone know if the shaft on the PSS9s is also 10mm as it is on the Sports? I would tend to think so (mostly because it's still a Bilstein shock), so I don't know if they'd have different construction or not. I just called up GC and talked with one of the guys there, and he said that they now only give you the bushings which are needed for the shock you specify (i.e. 10 or 12 mm). He did (indirectly) confirm though that when the new design mount first came out, they DID include both the smaller and larger bushings for the different types of shock shafts, as Dave T mentioned earlier. Thanks guys, Brian build 8/95

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#2. Re: RSMs - from jmihal@jt-designs.com
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: <jmihal@jt-designs.com> Subject: Re: RSMs Just to clarify, some shocks are noisy...but you may not know it with the stock mounts as they absorb a bunch of noise. When you switch to a performance mount, ie: stiffer bushings, then "sometimes" you may hear that noisy shock. If one side is noisy, and the other is not...switch shocks and see if the noise follows the shock. The JTD mounts, as you all should know, have gone thru several evolutions since 1998. The sleeve that acts as a tightening block serves a great purpose, for those less handy with a set of wrenches. For those who can tell when a bushing starts to get get overtaxed...you could simply remove the sleeve and "double-nut" the shock shaft...eliminating any "pre-specified" torque...but you must pre-load the rubber bushings enough or the shock will move around in the mount. Our sleeves were once coated with black oxide, which didn't work out great with salt. Now our sleeves are zinc plated...but sounds like stainless might take their place. There is an issue, it is that the shock shaft may also promote oxidation after being in contact with another metal for a while...and there is not much a supplier can do about that. I suggest using some waterproof grease upon assembly...stainless, zinc plated, whatever...it is just good practice. Cheers, Jim Mihal www.JT-Designs.com www.bmwoffroad.com >Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:21:13 -0500 >From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> >Subject: Re: RSMs >on 2/6/07 11:54 PM, mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > I'm left with believing my Koni DA's are just noisy bastards ;-)) >Mine are too, as I discovered when I substituted different shocks as an >experiment. So, not a lot of data points, but I'm thinking it's a case of >"They all do that" with regards to Koni DA's. >Which isn't to say that aftermarket swaybar links don't wear and make >knocking noises too. BTDT. >Neil >Fort Wayne, IN >96 M3 - Bastard child >03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic >05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#3. Re: [E36M3] 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:49:45 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > From: Tucker Ryals tuckerryals@yahoo.com > > So, am I off base with the price? That is the only > thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research > before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k > seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. > > Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > Here is the link again, just in case. > > > http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&highlight=1995+m3+sale Tucker, It looks like a really nice example in above average condition, I can see why you might want your asking price. But, E36 M3s in similar condition are selling below that in my experience. That and combined with the time of year would probably be the biggest issues. If I was looking for a similar car, I would consider it but the price would be on the high side. Also, I doubt the red color is a popular choice. Good luck on your sale. Regards, Rich

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Scott McClung
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Seems like a very fair price. Probably will take awhile to find the right buyer, however - especially this time of year. Good luck!! Scott --- Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Gruppe, > > I've posted my car for sale in all of the typical > places and have received an overwhelmingly tepid > response. Granted I didn't expect it to sell the > first > day or two, but I at least hoped to generate some > interest. > > So, am I off base with the price? That is the only > thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research > before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k > seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. > > Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? > Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > Here is the link again, just in case. > > http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&highlight=1995+m3+sale > > Thanks, > Tucker > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get > started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#5. Re: 1995 M3 for sale - from kim.burgess@att.net
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:28:56 +0000 From: kim.burgess@att.net Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale Tucker - I think your price is fair, if not low. I also think you are going to have to wait out the mid-winter freeze. KLBurgess -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Gruppe, I've posted my car for sale in all of the typical places and have received an overwhelmingly tepid response. Granted I didn't expect it to sell the first day or two, but I at least hoped to generate some interest. So, am I off base with the price? That is the only thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? Does anyone have any suggestions? Here is the link again, just in case. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&highlight=1995+m3+s ale

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:14:41 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) I disagree that you're off base with the price. That said a lot of people probably have difficulty spending that much money on a 95. However, if I was in the market for this age/model M3, your car would be my choice. (assuming it's manual, I think it is right?) Also what's the dent just under the bmw logo in the trim on the front bumper? Thanks Mark On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 16:14 -0600, Tucker Ryals wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Gruppe, > > I've posted my car for sale in all of the typical > places and have received an overwhelmingly tepid > response. Granted I didn't expect it to sell the first > day or two, but I at least hoped to generate some > interest. > > So, am I off base with the price? That is the only > thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research > before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k > seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. > > Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > Here is the link again, just in case. > > http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&highlight=1995+m3+sale > > Thanks, > Tucker > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: RSMs - from Chris Teague
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:29:25 -0800 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RSMs I'll go with Neil on this also, since my Koni DA's also have a lot of noises. Chris 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:21:13 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: RSMs > > on 2/6/07 11:54 PM, mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > >> I'm left with believing my Koni DA's are just noisy bastards ;-)) > > Mine are too, as I discovered when I substituted different shocks as an > experiment. So, not a lot of data points, but I'm thinking it's a case of > "They all do that" with regards to Koni DA's.

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:10:53 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Tucker, As a point of reference, I bought my 95 in 2001 with 75K miles on it for $13K. The car needed brakes and had mis-matched tires but was otherwise in mint condition. I think that I got a very good deal at the time, the seller was asking 15K and needed to move the car quickly, however you might be a bit high on price based upon my experience. It is a 11-12 year old car at this point and one that was produced in sufficiently high numbers for it to have no additional value because of rarity. From my experience with selling BMWs (02 330i in 05 and an 00 M5 just a couple of months ago), if you want to get top dollar or even "market" prices you will likely have to wait unless you get very lucky. It took me 3 months to sell my 330i with 65K miles on it, in excellent condition, two sets of wheels, fully loaded with many extras and it was three years old at the time. It eventually sold for 20% less than I was seeing advertised in the same places you are looking and I threw in all of the extras for nothing. I had almost no response to my ads in multiple locations and I put up a very extensive web page with many photos and the entire documented history of the car. My point is that if you want to sell it quickly, you will need to advertise it at well below market prices. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2004 645Ci 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Raza Uddin
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:56:53 -0800 From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) On 2/7/07, Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> wrote: > > however you might be a bit high on price based upon my > experience. It is a 11-12 year old car at this point and one that was > produced in sufficiently high numbers for it to have no additional > value because of rarity. I'm also going to agree that the price might be a little high. The factors I would base this on is because it is the oldest of the model versions and it has the Luxury Package. The lux package seems to hurt the coupes more because most that buy the coupes want Vaders, twisted side skirts, and a lot of people don't like the wood trim. It seems to be less of a factor with sedans because the only seats available in the sedan were the sport seats. I think priced around $13K you would get more interest. But then, I would stay pretty firm because it does have low miles and is relatively clean. Also, maybe the picture of the steering wheel might not be the best shot of the interior. I have a pretty clean 4-Spoke wheel (with airbag) that I'll let go if you are interested. It is slightly worn, but the stitching is clean and does present very well. You have to look VERY carefully to notice and blemishes. Drive Safely, Raza

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from David Thomas
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:59:08 -0800 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) On Wednesday 07 February 2007 2:14 pm, Tucker Ryals wrote: > So, am I off base with the price? That is the only > thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research > before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k > seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. I think its a good asking price, but perhaps a bit high. I paid $13.3k for a '95 about a year ago in at least as good of condition (90k miles), and it was bone stock (well...staggered contours), which adds a lot of value IMO. The wood and luxury seats may not be real desirable to some...but...if it has had all of the suspension bushings, a-arms, and usual wear items done recently, litterally 'needs nothing', and the paint looks as good in person as it does in the pics...I could see someone paying $15K for it. For me, really good paint and body really will raise the value, mechanical stuff is easy to fix..but I don't have a paint booth ;-) Speaking of paint/body...what up with that grill? http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u274/tuckerryals/M3_4.jpg Also, do all of the body panels have the VIN stickers? Any "DOT" panels? Dave T

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